Kit tomorrow

[canarydan23 4,060]

2 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Would you say the same if they were preaching a philosophy you didn’t agree with. Say championing Catholicism and the teachings of the church? Honest question. 

They did hold a Mass at Carrow Road after a game once. Think they were praying for survival. Pretty sure the Jehovah's Witnesses used to hold a conference there too.

[Google Bot 3,259]

16 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Marianne didn't mind you not sharing then, or did you... and that made it better?

Oh Marianne provided the batter.  We slowly fried it, see... dipping it in and out of the wet pan until it looks so succulent I couldn't help but sink my teeth deep into it.

[SwearyCanary 1,179]

3 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Would you say the same if they were preaching a philosophy you didn’t agree with. Say championing Catholicism and the teachings of the church? Honest question. 

They don’t need to, you’re doing that well enough for them. 

But seriously, championing Catholicism is in direct conflict to championing LGBTQ, so how would that work?

If they did, I’d ask the question if there’s a conflict of ideals and then I’d move on. 

[king canary 7,580]

I will add that the testimonials the club are posting on twitter right now are incredibly powerful and moving. Do watch them if you get the chance.

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

6 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Would you say the same if they were preaching a philosophy you didn’t agree with. Say championing Catholicism and the teachings of the church? Honest question. 

Not much that's honest about the Catholic Church Bootso. Denial, abuse,repression, intolerance , the list is endless.... Even Mother Fooking Theresa ( not Niall Quinn) thought the suffering of the poor brought them closer to God ...and as a consequence would deny treatment.

Yep, a fine institution. 

There is no moral high ground if that hill you stand on is made of the bodies of the Churches victims.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,398]

2 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Not much that's honest about the Catholic Church Bootso. Denial, abuse,repression, intolerance , the list is endless.... Even Mother Fooking Theresa ( not Niall Quinn) thought the suffering of the poor brought them closer to God ...and as a consequence would deny treatment.

Yep, a fine institution. 

There is no moral high ground if that hill you stand on is made of the bodies of the Churches victims.

Yawn - a very myopic and prejudiced view. But we have done that to death. Not playing today 

[chicken 2,604]

9 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

No it is the exact same thing. Too much politics and corporate virtue signalling creeping into sport  

And yet again you display how you don't know what 'virtue signalling' actually is.

Please don't continue to waft it around unless you understand whar you are saying.

[chicken 2,604]

1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

Nice message from Stephen Fry there. Fair play!

Puts it in perspective when the number of suicides in East Anglia alone come up to one seating block in the Lower Barclay.

Last time I checked our region has one of the highest case levels in terms of mental health.

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

1 minute ago, chicken said:

Last time I checked our region has one of the highest case levels in terms of mental health.

Was easy enough to work out from the statistics quoted in the video. Just under 5,000 suicides across the country, and over 500 in East Anglia. Obviously a disproportionately serious matter there. Chuck in the group of people most likely to commit suicide (men between 45-49) and the age of the average season ticket holder (49)...

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

7 minutes ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

Yawn - a very myopic and prejudiced view. But we have done that to death. Not playing today 

Not surprised.. it's fact based

 

What they have done and are still doing is indefensible. 

[SwearyCanary 1,179]

3 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Was easy enough to work out from the statistics quoted in the video. Just under 5,000 suicides across the country, and over 500 in East Anglia. Obviously a disproportionately serious matter there. Chuck in the group of people most likely to commit suicide (men between 45-49) and the age of the average season ticket holder (49)...

Exactly this. Shame so many are trivialising this by claiming somehow their mental health is made worse by having to wait for the actual kit launch 

[Orly 277]

3 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Not surprised.. it's fact based

 

What they have done and are still doing is indefensible. 

They?  All of them?  STILL doing?  

You know, I'm starting to think that making sweeping generalisations about people based on their religion isn't the best idea...

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

2 minutes ago, Orly said:

They?  All of them?  STILL doing?  

You know, I'm starting to think that making sweeping generalisations about people based on their religion isn't the best idea...

Don't care, sure there will be decent people suckered into believing their shoite, but bringing religios institutions into a fact based conversation ( as DCB did)  is by far a worse idea than confronting the facts about said religion.

To be childish..... He started it. Using Catholicism as a get out clause from being rational.

[king canary 7,580]

5 minutes ago, Orly said:

They?  All of them?  STILL doing?  

You know, I'm starting to think that making sweeping generalisations about people based on their religion isn't the best idea...

Going to immediately regret getting involved in this but there is a clear difference between criticising the institution of the Catholic Church as @wcorkcanary clearly did and criticising all Catholics.

[Dean Coneys boots 1,398]

11 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Not surprised.. it's fact based

 

What they have done and are still doing is indefensible. 

They? Are you referring to all 1.6 billion Catholics, a few rotten apples at the top? Help me out here. 

[Feedthewolf 4,844]

42 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

I think cryptic stuff goes way above a lot of people's heads and it comes across as a bit pretentious.  The message of course is an important one, but the discussion it has provoked is more negative and is ignoring the actual message that was trying to be got across.  Maybe people will have taken the message on board as well, I hope they do - it was strong and impactful after all. 

In the immediate aftermath, on social media, you're always going to get negative sentiment. From what I've seen, though, there are more people speaking positively than negatively about it – and, of course, the impact of the video goes much further than just people firing off in the heat of the moment on Twitter. 

If a few people find it 'pretentious' then that's a very small price to pay for the potential impact of the message across NCFC's fanbase.

[Mason 47 1,373]

At the risk of taking this thread off-topic and talking about the non-kit release...

Think it's a little tone-deaf- the club doesn't currently have that jovial, witty sort of relationship with the fans to pull a switcheroo like that. I understand what it's meant to be, and the importance of the message, but the deployment is a bit amateur and misses key influence factors that ultimately miss the point.

Now, you can all get back to arguing about which religion is worst or whatever 

[lake district canary 4,531]

3 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

If a few people find it 'pretentious' then that's a very small price to pay for the potential impact of the message across NCFC's fanbase.

I think it will be more than a few, but hopefully you are right and the impact is strong.  I see the club are following it up with real life stories, which should make the campaign stronger which shoukd help.

[Capt. Pants 4,202]

The other thing is if the kit is launched on the 30th it will miss the first day of the Norfolk Show, which seems very strange and surely a missed opportunity.

Marketing balls up? Surely not.

 

[shefcanary 2,389]

I have no problem with this campaign.  

Now it is done I hope the media team focus on their real job and connecting with the wider community of fans about what they need to know about following the club.  Another farce for instance has been the advice regarding tickets for the upcoming friendly matches.  The club has only just posted this morning about a way of getting tickets for them after days of queries on social media, its bloody basic stuff.  They really need to get the basics done before pursuing challenging campaigns like this one.

I appreciate the mental health issue is extremely important for the wider health and well being of the population generally, but accurate, timely information about attending matches is a primary message that they continue to fuuck up! A comprehensive checklist for multi-media announcements for matches, memberships, season tickets, kit launches, new player signings and departures, with someone checking all potential issues addressed (governance again) seems again to be lacking. It ain't sexy, but boy it makes most fans (mentally) happier and trusting that the club knows what it is doing.  I am unconvinced the current management can be trusted and as a fan who wants the best from their club at all times I worry about the effect this is having on my mental health.

Edited June 28, 2022 by shefcanary

[hogesar 9,618]

2 hours ago, Capt. Pants said:

Nice touch by the club.

We can wait for the kit it isn't important.

This. Anyone seriously complaining really needs to get out a bit. If a kit launch is that important to you....

I've already seen that this is "playing with peoples head" trying to somehow make some causal link between not releasing the kit having an adverse effect on Mental Health. The absolute state of some people.

I will say that football fans are generally not the most intelligent so this will go over their heads to a degree maybe, and people will claim they've been "conned" out of a kit launch however impossible that might be.

*checks Twitter*

*checks PinkUn*

Yep.

[hogesar 9,618]

1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said:

Not much that's honest about the Catholic Church Bootso. Denial, abuse,repression, intolerance , the list is endless.... Even Mother Fooking Theresa ( not Niall Quinn) thought the suffering of the poor brought them closer to God ...and as a consequence would deny treatment.

Yep, a fine institution. 

There is no moral high ground if that hill you stand on is made of the bodies of the Churches victims.

I made one joke about someone believing in a big guy up in the sky and pretty much got castigated for it. So i'll just say with the state of this forum, you might be best to opt-out @wcorkcanary, it's really not worth the hassle! 🙂

 

[hogesar 9,618]

1 hour ago, SwearyCanary said:

Exactly this. Shame so many are trivialising this by claiming somehow their mental health is made worse by having to wait for the actual kit launch 

Yes, new levels of pathetic but concerningly not that surprising.

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,131]

Am I the only one who couldn't care less about kit launches? We play in yellow and green and the new kit will look like a yellow and green football shirt with some ugly sponsor logo in the middle just the same as every year. 

[Ren 75]

Looking forward to the news that the club is making a big fat donation to a mental health charity out of the kits profits to back up this and prove that they are not just jumping on the bandwagon.  

[hogesar 9,618]

6 minutes ago, Ren said:

Looking forward to the news that the club is making a big fat donation to a mental health charity out of the kits profits to back up this and prove that they are not just jumping on the bandwagon.  

You do realise that exposure, opening avenues and creating awareness can be far more effective to those suffering than throwing a couple million to a charity?

[Google Bot 3,259]

1 minute ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

We play in yellow and green and the new kit will look like a yellow and green football shirt with some ugly sponsor logo in the middle just the same as every year.

 

[sonyc 5,492]

18 minutes ago, hogesar said:

You do realise that exposure, opening avenues and creating awareness can be far more effective to those suffering than throwing a couple million to a charity?

Two million paying for professional services helping people not killing themselves would be a game changer actually. In fact, probably funding organisations to support people for a year would save and enrich over a hundred lives. That is an under-estimate.

Prevention through awareness campaigns is very important but the main issue is funding and investment in services.

I ought to know as it was my specialism over 20 years @hogesar - further, I  realise my opinion here, even if an informed one, is not more important - nor might I be in the majority. But I couldn't just leave that comment about "throwing money" because I feel that is disrespectful actually. I don't think charities either would agree. 

 

Edited June 28, 2022 by sonyc

[Unhinged Canary 375]

Even Newcastle have quietly announced their 3rd kit in a completely non-newsworthy fashion....... 😬

[A Load of Squit 5,135]

21 minutes ago, Unhinged Canary said:

Even Newcastle have quietly announced their 3rd kit in a completely non-newsworthy fashion....... 😬

There's a prize draw, the winner gets a one way ticket to the Turkish Embassy to pick up their shirt.