Isaac Hayden to sign?

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

4 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

I've just finished the biography of Stalin I've been reading (highlighted in a previous thread) - the above MO seems vaguely familiar.

Stalin didn't manage two promotions to the Premier League, I doubt his charity work isn't comparable either.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

5 minutes ago, komakino said:

This just gets even funnier. You should be on the Telly. 

Running the football department is a serious business.

I expect you'll be googling 'how to get paint from a bed sheet'.

[komakino 282]

1 minute ago, A Load of Squit said:

Stalin didn't manage two promotions to the Premier League, I doubt his charity work isn't comparable either.

Stalin didn't also manage to to get 2 relegations, failed signings, alienate the fans, egotistical rants which would have lead to a P45 at almost any other club. 

His charity work (sic) is one for his ego. 

He's a narcissist who hopefully we'll part ways with sooner or later. 

[komakino 282]

2 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

Running the football department is a serious business.

I expect you'll be googling 'how to get paint from a bed sheet'.

Running a football Department is a serious business. Just not one he's good enough for at the highest level, of which the facts are clear. 

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

Just now, komakino said:

Stalin didn't also manage to to get 2 relegations, failed signings, alienate the fans, egotistical rants which would have lead to a P45 at almost any other club. 

His charity work (sic) is one for his ego. 

He's a narcissist who hopefully we'll part ways with sooner or later. 

Everything will happen sooner or later.

Webbers legacy will live on.

[Robert N. LiM 6,231]

20 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Excellent signing. Perfection is not on offer.

Right profile, Right position, what we actually need rather than what we maybe want. 

No obvious resale value, so a Mr Right Now. A gift to the new manager. Credit to Smith. He pushed hard for this. Shows comprehension - and demonstration - of what is required. 

Parma 

Don't know anything about him and very happy to accept your view. Certainly the consensus of NUFC fans is that it's an excellent signing.

Smith's role is interesting to me. I saw a good twitter thread yesterday saying that, while the poster approved of the specific signing of Hayden, he was concerned that Smith's involvement in it might mean a move away from the Sporting Director model to more manager-led recruitment, which he said was likely to lead to increased agent fees and player wages. (I would also add that I'd be concerned about short-termism in signings).

You seem pretty clued up on these matters. Any view on that way of seeing things?

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20 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Don't know anything about him and very happy to accept your view. Certainly the consensus of NUFC fans is that it's an excellent signing.

Smith's role is interesting to me. I saw a good twitter thread yesterday saying that, while the poster approved of the specific signing of Hayden, he was concerned that Smith's involvement in it might mean a move away from the Sporting Director model to more manager-led recruitment, which he said was likely to lead to increased agent fees and player wages. (I would also add that I'd be concerned about short-termism in signings).

You seem pretty clued up on these matters. Any view on that way of seeing things?

I'm not who you are replying to but the concern over Smith's involvement is a fair one. A manager really doesn't have the time to be clued up on who the best options out there are. Scouting is a long process and not one a manager can do effectively. Putting options in front of the manager and deciding then who to go for is a good middle ground in my opinion. I think any worry over an increase might be slightly naive though, Farke always had some sway over the transfers in to the club, from signings such as Zimmermann and Leitner who had previous personal connections. I imagine the worry over fees and wages comes up when managers keep signing the same players. A recent example would be Hughton signing Glenn Murray and Knockaert at Forest.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

31 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Don't know anything about him and very happy to accept your view. Certainly the consensus of NUFC fans is that it's an excellent signing.

Smith's role is interesting to me. I saw a good twitter thread yesterday saying that, while the poster approved of the specific signing of Hayden, he was concerned that Smith's involvement in it might mean a move away from the Sporting Director model to more manager-led recruitment, which he said was likely to lead to increased agent fees and player wages. (I would also add that I'd be concerned about short-termism in signings).

You seem pretty clued up on these matters. Any view on that way of seeing things?

There's been no change away from the DOF model. 

Just fans who can't accept that Webber is an asset to the club.

[komakino 282]

11 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

There's been no change away from the DOF model. 

Just fans who can't accept that Webber is an asset to the club.

There has been no official change, but last season has shown that giving Webber carte blanche over transfers is like given a drunk the keys to a car. 

Only Norwich City could seemingly reward failure, but Webber is still here despite the shambles of last season. 

He is a PR disaster, but If he keeps he mouth shut and manages to be a positive this season, he could then be regarded as an asset to a degree, but one that history has shown cannot perform at the highest level. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by komakino

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

15 minutes ago, komakino said:

There has been no official change, but last season has shown that giving Webber carte blanche over transfers is like given a drunk the keys to a car. 

Only Norwich City could seemingly reward failure, but Webber is still here despite the shambles of last season. 

He is a PR disaster, but If he keeps he mouth shut and manages to be a positive this season, he could then be regarded as an asset to a degree, but one that history has shown cannot perform at the highest level. 

That's just nonsense, what's this 'official' rubbish you're talking about.

You're another one making stuff up.

Edited June 8, 2022 by A Load of Squit

[komakino 282]

4 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

That's just nonsense, what's this 'official' rubbish you're talking about.

You're another one making stuff up.

I was stating facts that there has been no official change to the D.o.F role, unless you know different? So I'm not making anything up. If there has been an announcement that SW role has changed, I've not read about it. 

If you think SW has been a success at the highest level, you're in a group of one because the table doesn't lie. 

[Robert N. LiM 6,231]

47 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

There's been no change away from the DOF model. 

Just fans who can't accept that Webber is an asset to the club.

Appreciate the reply, thanks. I shouldn't have used the word 'model'. I completely understand that Webber is still in place (and certainly see him as an asset). There just seemed to be a sense that the balance had slightly shifted and that this signing was more driven by Smith than was typically the case when Farke was coach. That was what I was trying to ask about.

[Robert N. LiM 6,231]

54 minutes ago, repman said:

I'm not who you are replying to but the concern over Smith's involvement is a fair one. A manager really doesn't have the time to be clued up on who the best options out there are. Scouting is a long process and not one a manager can do effectively. Putting options in front of the manager and deciding then who to go for is a good middle ground in my opinion. I think any worry over an increase might be slightly naive though, Farke always had some sway over the transfers in to the club, from signings such as Zimmermann and Leitner who had previous personal connections. I imagine the worry over fees and wages comes up when managers keep signing the same players. A recent example would be Hughton signing Glenn Murray and Knockaert at Forest.

really helpful reply, thanks.

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

20 minutes ago, komakino said:

I was stating facts that there has been no official change to the D.o.F role, unless you know different? So I'm not making anything up. If there has been an announcement that SW role has changed, I've not read about it. 

If you think SW has been a success at the highest level, you're in a group of one because the table doesn't lie. 

You're implying that there has been a change but it's not 'official', that is the bit you made up.

I said he was an asset to the club, you're the one talking about 'success at the highest level', not the same thing.

Edited June 8, 2022 by A Load of Squit

[Nuff Said 5,950]

19 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

Damn right 

Can you dig it?

[A Load of Squit 6,260]

6 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Appreciate the reply, thanks. I shouldn't have used the word 'model'. I completely understand that Webber is still in place (and certainly see him as an asset). There just seemed to be a sense that the balance had slightly shifted and that this signing was more driven by Smith than was typically the case when Farke was coach. That was what I was trying to ask about.

In Baily's piece about last summer he mentions Farke's input in the recruiting process, Smith would be the same.

Edited June 8, 2022 by A Load of Squit

[komakino 282]

51 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

You're implying that there has been a change but it's not 'official', that is the bit you made up.

I said he was an asset to the club, you're the one talking about 'success at the highest level', not the same thing.

It appears your idea of an asset is very different to mine. 

Edited June 8, 2022 by komakino

[shefcanary 2,943]

Back on subject, I found this video really enlightening.  Hayden seems extremely impressed with Colney, especially the improvements from when he visited with Arsenal youth.  And what a team they had at the time, but our team won the Cup that year. Extremely encouraging look at Hayden, and Colney.

If only the Board meetings were this transparent? 😉

[Capt. Pants 4,983]

4 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

If this is just the start of Smithing building a team that's his I can't wait to see what comes next

I do hope so. I'd have Webber looking for quality youngsters from far flung locations and Deano in charge of first team recruitment for the here and how. Absolutely critical Smith gets the players he wants for the style of play he chooses.

[hogesar 10,728]

52 minutes ago, komakino said:

It appears your idea of an asset is very different to mine. 

Where we are as a football club on and off the pitch since Webber first came in is demonstrable evidence he is an asset.

[komakino 282]

7 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Where we are as a football club on and off the pitch since Webber first came in is demonstrable evidence he is an asset.

In some areas, but is all that directly down to him? Clearly he has has some influence, but still not keeping us up means that his he has still under achieved. 
 

Internally the club is still a bit of shambles on the day to day side, but it’s been like that for years. 

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Nice to see our Jamal & Jacob wishing Isaac well via Insta:

[Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,450]

5 hours ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Don't know anything about him and very happy to accept your view. Certainly the consensus of NUFC fans is that it's an excellent signing.

Smith's role is interesting to me. I saw a good twitter thread yesterday saying that, while the poster approved of the specific signing of Hayden, he was concerned that Smith's involvement in it might mean a move away from the Sporting Director model to more manager-led recruitment, which he said was likely to lead to increased agent fees and player wages. (I would also add that I'd be concerned about short-termism in signings).

You seem pretty clued up on these matters. Any view on that way of seeing things?

as stated in my post:

   On 07/06/2022 at 18:46,  Parma Ham's gone mouldysaid: 

Excellent signing. Perfection is not on offer.

Right profile, Right position, what we actually need rather than what we maybe want. 

No obvious resale value, so a Mr Right Now. A gift to the new manager. Credit to Smith. He pushed hard for this. Shows comprehension - and demonstration - of what is required. 

Parma

 

post script: The point in bold is common for a number of reasons. 

1. even under a sporting director model a little politics goes a long way. Being collegiate - particularly in the early stages of a Head Coach / Manager tenure often means ‘a favourite’ is signed. 

2. if #1 seems a little ‘old pals act’ it doesn’t have to be. Like a good salesman a new head coach / manager will keep a great deal in his back pocket in order to impress at his new school

3. #1 and #2 thus become quite complementary and collegiate. Reinforcing the principle and everybody goes home happy…

Parma 

Edited June 8, 2022 by Parma Ham's gone mouldy

[Parma Ham's gone mouldy 2,450]

26 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

as stated in my post:

   On 07/06/2022 at 18:46,  Parma Ham's gone mouldysaid: 

Excellent signing. Perfection is not on offer.

Right profile, Right position, what we actually need rather than what we maybe want. 

No obvious resale value, so a Mr Right Now. A gift to the new manager. Credit to Smith. He pushed hard for this. Shows comprehension - and demonstration - of what is required. 

Parma

 

post script: The point in bold is common for a number of reasons. 

1. even under a sporting director model a little politics goes a long way. Being collegiate - particularly in the early stages of a Head Coach / Manager tenure often means ‘a favourite’ is signed. 

2. if #1 seems a little ‘old pals act’ it doesn’t have to be. Like a good salesman a new head coach / manager will keep a great deal in his back pocket in order to impress at his new school

3. #1 and #2 thus become quite complementary and collegiate. Reinforcing the principle and everybody goes home happy…

Parma 

The danger of the above is if any of the above start to believe that #1 + #2  + #3 is easily repeatable. 
 

Time withers all of the above. Though few will - or have the incentive to - admit it.

Notice any echoes anyone?

Parma

Edited June 8, 2022 by Parma Ham's gone mouldy

[Canaries north 155]

8 hours ago, A Load of Squit said:

Perhaps you could give us some examples of the lots of times last summers signings were called 'stunning'.

Otherwise we'll have to assume you made that bit up.

I hope you understand that was before they had played a game. The majority of people, myself included thought we had made some very good signings. Even the most miserable people on here were happy and thought we had a great window. After the Watford game I think we all realised we were wrong. Unless you are trying to say the vast majority of people on here were unhappy at that time then I think you are making things up. 

[Newtopia 573]

23 minutes ago, Canaries north said:

I hope you understand that was before they had played a game. The majority of people, myself included thought we had made some very good signings. Even the most miserable people on here were happy and thought we had a great window. After the Watford game I think we all realised we were wrong. Unless you are trying to say the vast majority of people on here were unhappy at that time then I think you are making things up. 

I agree, i thinking signing Rashica felt like a real signal of intent, then Kabak, Gilmour, Normann and Sargent, they felt like a real notch up in quality, especially when Klinsmann came out so publicly and said he should stay a while longer at Werder, and Billy was Motm against England.   I do not recall us signing 5 internationals in quick succession before.  That was even topped off with signing Tzolis (Top young talent), PLM (a ligue 1 top performer), and Angus Gunn.

The previous season we signed Hugill, Placheta, Dowell, Sorensen, and Quintilia plus some Spurs reserve player.

Anyone who was not excited by those signings at that the start of last season can’t have been a NCFC fan for very long.  Clearly they did not work out, but ridiculous if people can’t see the investment was significant, and the work that went into getting those players to sign must have been huge.

[Chichcan 149]

https://www.scoutreportrb.com/post/scout-report-rb-isaac-hayden-norwich

This is someone's scout report of him

Basically limited passer but great attitude and a great leader and very good defensively 

[Big Vince 422]

21 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

Why might it be a player forced on him? He is apparently a central defensive midfielder, and with serious Premier League experience, and by common consent that is the one position we absolutely had to fill. If posters here can see that then the chances are Smith could too.

If he is any good and has any knees then it is about 3 years too late. That is how long we have been waiting for this type of player. 

Just typical of Delia's slapstick sense of humour that she should make this signing now after humiliating back to back EPL relegations.

Edited June 9, 2022 by Big Vince

[PurpleCanary 6,368]

41 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

If he is any good and has any knees then it is about 3 years too late. That is how long we have been waiting for this type of player. 

Just typical of Delia's slapstick sense of humour that she should make this signing now after humiliating back to back EPL relegations.

I feel for you, Vince. A music-hall comic with a tired old act playing to an audience of one. You need some fresh material.

[HazzaJet 267]

Let’s not get too excited yet - we thought Gilmour would be great. I’m sure this signing will be great though, as he does have proper experience - 118 PL apps, not just 18 and two promotions on his CV