Dean Smith

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

19 minutes ago, Yellow Wal said:

If we were looking to give Martin and Dowell a serious run in the first team we would be looking to avoid relegation next season rather than pushing for promotion.

These are two of the many midfield/wingers that are surplus to requirements that we will find difficult to move on.

You may be right although I wouldn't take such a pessimistic view of them, especially Dowell - you were advocating the need for more creativity in the team, which I agree with but I'll be very surprised if we sign anyone better than Dowell in that department especially if DS stays since, as I said previously, I don't see creativity as being one of his priorities.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Creative Midfielder

[duke63 542]

1 minute ago, Creative Midfielder said:

You may be right although I wouldn't take such a pessimistic view of them, especially Dowell - you were advocating the need for more creativity in the team, which I agree with but I'll be very surprised if we sign anyone better than Dowell in that department especially if DS stays since, as I said previously, I don't see creativity as being one of his priorities.

Even though that is exactly what Dean Smith said today?? 
 

im glad I don’t go down the pub with some of you lot, it must be a right miserable night out. Moan moan whinge whinge.. 
 

 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

4 minutes ago, duke63 said:

Even though that is exactly what Dean Smith said today?? 
 

im glad I don’t go down the pub with some of you lot, it must be a right miserable night out. Moan moan whinge whinge.. 
 

 

I haven't heard that (yet), my comment was based on what he has said previously and also the type of football he has got us playing - I'm using the terms 'playing' & 'football' in the loosest possible sense obviously.

Still I'll take the moan/whinge comment as a sort of compliment since I've been accused on this board far more frequently of being a  'happy clapper' than a moaner - just shows what an impact it can have replacing the best coach(/manager) we've ever had with a dud.

[Bonzo 198]

6 hours ago, mannings bandy legs said:

Todays presser:"we have the advantage of knowing where we are next season,we can plan early"..........dear god!!!

We had the same advantage last season for all the good it did us.

[duke63 542]

3 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

I haven't heard that (yet), my comment was based on what he has said previously and also the type of football he has got us playing - I'm using the terms 'playing' & 'football' in the loosest possible sense obviously.

Still I'll take the moan/whinge comment as a sort of compliment since I've been accused on this board far more frequently of being a  'happy clapper' than a moaner - just shows what an impact it can have replacing the best coach(/manager) we've ever had with a dud.

Farke was the best Championship manager we have had and played probably the best Championship football of all.....but he isn't the best manager we have ever had.

[Big Vince 318]

6 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

It's a problem because we have been told repeatedly by Webber in the past that they plan well in advance (i.e. certainly before now) and often for two different scenarios when it hasn't yet become clear which league we will be playing in so the fact that we now where we will be next season doesn't really help at all because we should already have a plan for playing in the Championship next season in place.

In truth, for this particular season we should have planned for the possibility of relegation right from the outset, and actually much of what Webber said last summer seemed to indicate that we had - all that guff about us signing young players with great potential that weren't expected to have an immediate impact but would greatly strengthen the squad in the long term. Yes, those same youngsters who within a few weeks morphed into players which Farke wasn't geting the best out of. Of course that hopeless Fake also didn't get the best out of our non-existent CDM who was (supposedly) the number 1 priority in last summer's plan!!

So for DS to make that comment now suggests that Webber has been telling us complete **** about this as well as complete **** we now he kept telling us about succession planning for staff, viz. the Head Coach.

The best plan for us now IMO, would be for the Board to dispense with both Webber and DS and start again because I don't believe that either of them have the ability to turn around the shambles they have turned us into this season.

No, no, no. The board is the problem. It must go first. A new board should then decide the futures of senior staff.

[By Hook or Ian crook 917]

10 hours ago, mannings bandy legs said:

Todays presser:"we have the advantage of knowing where we are next season,we can plan early"..........dear god!!!

We were promoted miles before anyone also the season before, by that logic we should of been planning early for last season but still seemed to of been signing players on deadline day. Come to think about it we should of been planning to get a defensive midfielder in well in advance of the  season as we all knew skip was just a loan player. 

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

2 minutes ago, duke63 said:

Farke was the best Championship manager we have had and played probably the best Championship football of all.....but he isn't the best manager we have ever had.

Maybe not as far as you are concerned but IMO, although we've actually had a fair few very good managers over the years Dave Stringer is the only one who even gets close to Farke -  given how much football has changed in the 30+ years that separates those two it's hard to do a direct/fair comparison but for me Farke is our best ever and that is very unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

28 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

No, no, no. The board is the problem. It must go first. A new board should then decide the futures of senior staff.

Just remind me how many decades you've been saying that for............

I would say you are even more wrong than usual this year because it is blindingly obvious this year the problem has been Webber and Webber alone - he had a decent amount of money to spend last summer and he got it completely wrong.

Instead of taking responsibility for it he compounded the problem by making Farke the fall guy for the mess he'd created and to complete his third c**k up he made a panic appointment of the totally unsuitable Dean Smith.

Webber should be walking and if he doesn't he should be pushed.

Edited May 13, 2022 by Creative Midfielder

[By Hook or Ian crook 917]

21 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Maybe not as far as you are concerned but IMO, although we've actually had a fair few very good managers over the years Dave Stringer is the only one who even gets close to Farke -  given how much football has changed in the 30+ years that separates those two it's hard to do a direct/fair comparison but for me Farke is our best ever and that is very unlikely to change in the foreseeable future.

Ken Brown and Mike Walker for me are our two best managers. We will never challenge for a premier league title or be in competitive games against Bayern or Inter unless a billionaire buys us like we were under walker. 

[The Real Buh 3,432]

I’m sorry but I’m checked out with Dean Smith and what he says. 
 

he just does absolutely nothing for me. I don’t believe he’s got what it takes to turn this around then again I don’t know what it will take.

Ive joined the tanks of those thinking we need change higher up. A clean slate along with our fabled new badge.

[Terminally Yellow 2,448]

21 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

I’m sorry but I’m checked out with Dean Smith and what he says. 

That's a shame because Dean tells me you really do it for him.

[The Real Buh 3,432]

19 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said:

That's a shame because Dean tells me you really do it for him.

He just wants a mug of tea off me

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

28 minutes ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

Ken Brown and Mike Walker for me are our two best managers. We will never challenge for a premier league title or be in competitive games against Bayern or Inter unless a billionaire buys us like we were under walker. 

Whilst Ken Brown, Dave Stringer & Mike Walker (first time around) did fantastically well for us and it was a great period to be NCFC fan I don't think their success at a higher level than Farke automatically makes them the better managers - because they were working at a time when there wasn't such a massive financial gulf between the very top teams and the rest - and football generally was much the better and certainly more interesting because of it.

Nowadays top level football has become very sterile, dull and uninteresting (IMO) for which most of the blame belongs to the Premier League and the way it channels such a huge proportion of money coming into football into a very small number of clubs, and turned the EPL into more of a procession than a sporting competition.

Anyway in a world where the size of a club's player budget is the overwhelming determinant of success or failure, Daniel Fake has produced teams that were both successful and very entertaining and who (again IMO) have produced the best football we've ever seen at Carrow Road, and all on a shoestring budget and a clutch of youngsters brought through the academy.

Those are my reasons for saying Farke is no 1, and probably always will be.

 

[By Hook or Ian crook 917]

33 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Whilst Ken Brown, Dave Stringer & Mike Walker (first time around) did fantastically well for us and it was a great period to be NCFC fan I don't think their success at a higher level than Farke automatically makes them the better managers - because they were working at a time when there wasn't such a massive financial gulf between the very top teams and the rest - and football generally was much the better and certainly more interesting because of it.

Nowadays top level football has become very sterile, dull and uninteresting (IMO) for which most of the blame belongs to the Premier League and the way it channels such a huge proportion of money coming into football into a very small number of clubs, and turned the EPL into more of a procession than a sporting competition.

Anyway in a world where the size of a club's player budget is the overwhelming determinant of success or failure, Daniel Fake has produced teams that were both successful and very entertaining and who (again IMO) have produced the best football we've ever seen at Carrow Road, and all on a shoestring budget and a clutch of youngsters brought through the academy.

Those are my reasons for saying Farke is no 1, and probably always will be.

 

That’s fair to say and I respect and understand you’re opinion and points of view. 
 

In my simple own option I’d put Farke in my top 5 but at position 4 or 5 simply because of his abject failure to get any sort of coherent performance from a team at the very highest level. Let’s face it the last 10 games after project restart when we still had everything to play for were a damning stain on his inability to drag any sort of fight from that group when it was needed most. I also did not like how he abandoned his style of play at the start of this season which I feel is ultimately what got him the sack. My assessment of Farke’s second championship winning season was that we were flat track bullies in a league that was and is sub par to previous years. Great memories of the first winning title team particularly the away win at Leeds was very special. 
 

 

[duke63 542]

Farke was great in the Championship but way out of his depth in the EPL. 
 

Mike Walker’s first spell and Dave Stringers years were the best. We were one of the best teams in the Country and playing very attractive football to boot. 

[hogesar 9,655]

Jesus wept people take way too much from the off the cuff press conference snippets.

[Big Vince 318]

10 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Just remind me how many decades you've been saying that for............

I would say you are even more wrong than usual this year because it is blindingly obvious this year the problem has been Webber and Webber alone - he had a decent amount of money to spend last summer and he got it completely wrong.

Instead of taking responsibility for it he compounded the problem by making Farke the fall guy for the mess he'd created and to complete his third c**k up he made a panic appointment of the totally unsuitable Dean Smith.

Webber should be walking and if he doesn't he should be pushed.

No, no, no again. Webber has been made the fall guy because the Socialists do not allow anyone in on EPL wages. Webber shopped in Poundland. No EPL player of genuine quality has been purchased since the boy Huckerby. End of.

[A Load of Squit 5,159]

6 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

No, no, no again. Webber has been made the fall guy because the Socialists do not allow anyone in on EPL wages. Webber shopped in Poundland. No EPL player of genuine quality has been purchased since the boy Huckerby. End of.

Dean Ashton.

 

[Capt. Pants 4,221]

Farke used to be good at pressers in his own quirky way. It was one of the ways he built up his fantastic engagement with supporters. They are very important, especially if you get them wrong.

[First Wazzock 902]

I read with interest that it has been said that we have the basis of a god squad with only one or two additions required.

That's certainly not how I see it. In my opinion FWIW I think we are weak across the whole team, 

Last seasons additions were poor and lacking the experience required, not what we needed to stay up, .

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

13 hours ago, By Hook or Ian crook said:

Ken Brown and Mike Walker for me are our two best managers. We will never challenge for a premier league title or be in competitive games against Bayern or Inter unless a billionaire buys us like we were under walker. 

Agreed success wise but for me, DF made it a beautiful game to watch for the whole 90 minutes.

[Branston Pickle 3,651]

18 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Agreed success wise but for me, DF made it a beautiful game to watch for the whole 90 minutes.

If DF was so fantastic, why is it that so many people were so regularly calling for him to be sacked?  During 17/18 (we were boring and going nowhere), then at the start of 18/19, then during 19/20, then when we didn’t start off winning every game in 20/21, and then again this season?

The revisionism from some quarters is astonishing…but in the same way as DF’s first season was pretty crap, why can’t people at least give DS a chance?

Edited May 14, 2022 by Branston Pickle

[Midlands Yellow 3,970]

14 hours ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Just remind me how many decades you've been saying that for............

I would say you are even more wrong than usual this year because it is blindingly obvious this year the problem has been Webber and Webber alone - he had a decent amount of money to spend last summer and he got it completely wrong.

Instead of taking responsibility for it he compounded the problem by making Farke the fall guy for the mess he'd created and to complete his third c**k up he made a panic appointment of the totally unsuitable Dean Smith.

Webber should be walking and if he doesn't he should be pushed.

He was begged to stay though wasn’t he? 

[Branston Pickle 3,651]

23 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Agreed success wise but for me, DF made it a beautiful game to watch for the whole 90 minutes.

I don’t agree - for me our best football was in the early 90s, under Stringer and then Walker on his coattails, particularly when you consider it was at the top level.  You also need to remember that defending is important and that was never a strong point under DF’s reign.

Edited May 14, 2022 by Branston Pickle

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

If DF was so fantastic, why is it that so many people were so regularly calling for him to be sacked?  During 17/18 (we were boring and going nowhere), then at the start of 18/19, then during 19/20, then when we didn’t start off winning every game in 20/21, and then again this season?

The revisionism from some quarters is astonishing…but in the same way as DF’s first season was pretty crap, why can’t people at least give DS a chance?

Yes, DF's first season was awful. I wondered what we had become and told Scott Minto of SKY that I thought we were in for a long spell in the Championship. Yet the next season was like a Butterfly emerging from the cocoon. The transformation, for me, was just what I wanted to see my football team playing.

Some supporters, and every club has them, demand success once they have tasted it. Its natural I suppose. And I think it was because DF probably only had a Plan A with the players he had coached for two seasons.

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21 hours ago, Yellow Wal said:

If you are going to take a quote, please don't leave out the important piece - “I feel that we've got bodies here that can score goals. Creating them is certainly an area where we need to bring in people

I agree with him, we have goalscorers, but our creativity is carp. That is as important to improve as much as getting that elusive defensive midfielder.

i would say that makes Webbers transfers look worse 

the money he spent on players that were supposed to create chances Rashica Tzolis Gilmour maybe even Sargent all failed 

i think smith is correct in we have Pukki who will finish chances if given them but creating them is what webber spent the most money on and failed 

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

3 minutes ago, Branston Pickle said:

I don’t agree - for me our best football was in the early 90s, under Stringer and then Walker on his coattails, particularly when you consider it was at the top level.  You also need to remember that defending is important and that was never a strong point under DF’s reign.

Woods, Bowen, Culverhouse, Watson, Bruce, Crook, Gordon, Fleck, Fox to name just nine would walk into this team right now. That is  the difference.

[Dr Greenthumb 746]

This club cannot plan early. We had weeks  before the championship season ended (last time) to prepare and couldn’t even manage that! 

[The Real Buh 3,432]

I predict a riot when Dean puts that team news out tomorrow. I reckon Pinocchio Williams will be back at Left back and wee Billy getting bullied in midfield as standard. Planning for next season via loan players who will probably be playing against us on loan again this time at a more appropriate level.