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Mid table with all the same excuses and promises we’ve heard this decade 

New Management same results

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29 minutes ago, daly said:

Mid table with all the same excuses and promises we’ve heard this decade 

New Management same results

If it was the 'same results' as the last two times in the Championship then it's top isn't it? 

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30 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said:

If it was the 'same results' as the last two times in the Championship then it's top isn't it? 

Ahhh the classic Norwich delusion.

When we are in the premier League we are useless and have been since the mid 90s, our mid table championship obscurity is inevitable and has been the norm. The last 10 years have been a blip.

When we are in the championship, we are going to go up, build on our incredible base and this will be the time we become mid table premier league playing the Norwich brand of fluid football.

 

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Top 6 and trip to Wembley. This time ignoring the threat of rail strikes and definitely not going on the coach! Would love to relive that great day with just a few more beers and time to soak up beforehand 

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I don't want us to go up immediately, we need a bit of time to build. I don't think that we'll get top two, but we should get play-offs or just outside, maybe a similar campaign to the 2016/17 in terms of finish.

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We are I’d say four or five players away from being a top Championship team next year. A defensive midfield player, striker and probably a couple more central midfielders.

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16 hours ago, Inch High aka Inchy.. said:

15th with Smith in charge.

Smith’s never led a team to a bottom half Championship finish! His lowest is 10th. 

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3rd behind Watford 2nd and Farkes Burnley…… as champions 😉

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I think we'll be promoted, almost certainly in the top 2.

How about if everyone makes a pledge for next season based on their predictions?

 

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On 19/04/2022 at 02:22, ged in the onion bag said:

Hoping for top ten, without promotion but plenty of positive development ready for promotion push the following season.    Replace the lads who clearly aren’t good enough at this level, bring through more youngsters …. Learn the lessons and try again with a little patience this time!

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"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

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21 hours ago, 1902 said:

Ahhh the classic Norwich delusion.

When we are in the premier League we are useless and have been since the mid 90s, our mid table championship obscurity is inevitable and has been the norm. The last 10 years have been a blip.

When we are in the championship, we are going to go up, build on our incredible base and this will be the time we become mid table premier league playing the Norwich brand of fluid football.

 

I disagree. Ten years would constitute a 'blip' across a thousand years.

Since the Premier League was created in 1992, Norwich have played in it 10 times. That's 30%.

For a club our size and how it's operated, I would say that's par for the course.

 

 

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On 19/04/2022 at 11:58, sgncfc said:

Don't really care - I just want to enjoy watching us play again.

I enjoyed the United game even though we lost. We’ve just put in far too few battling performances this year. 

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For me we need a big overhaul of the playing squad and that kind of turnover doesn't often lend itself to immediate success or results. We also in this overhaul need to look at changing the profile of player we look at, away from smaller lads who are technically decent but little else and more towards better athletes who can potentially compete in the PL and who would allow us to play a more counter attacking style. 

This building a team to get up and stay up will make it harder to get promoted in the first place though. We usually just win the league by being technically superior to others in the Championship combined with a good GK and Pukki getting 20+ goals. But that doesn't translate to the PL, we're not technically good enough at that level to dominate teams, Krul isn't keeping out 10+ shots on target a game and Pukki is less effective with less chances obviously, so if we want to get up and actually have a chance at staying up we need to overhaul the side, particularly the midfield. 

If we get promoted playing a less possession based, less controlled and less exciting brand of football build on a better defence and exploiting counter attacks it won't be as much fun that's for sure, we probably won't run away with the league or get a huge points total either as it is better to be an attacking side in this league when you have better quality, but when we do go up again we'll give ourselves a much better chance of staying up with a solid foundation to build on. Go up with a good defence and then most importantly keep all our players together!!!! Then sign just 2 or 3 higher quality players to compliment what we have and we might do alright next time. 

 

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Another automatic promotion is a big ask imo, but depends upon how Smith shakes things up. I expect a bit of a "hangover" and time to adjust to Smith's championship playing style but would hope for a stronger second half of the season.

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1 hour ago, CirclePoint said:

in·san·i·ty

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

Albert Einstein.

Care to expand your thinking with that quote?    Taking account of our finances and philosophy?    Insanity to my mind (and Alberts I expect) would be going down, keeping  McLean and the others that aren't good enough for the EPL, loaning one or two youngsters to get us promoted at the expense of developing players and then finding we haven't the funds to effectively replace those not good enough to step up....

The lessons we learn (I would suggest) are.... we sort the problem position properly (get physical, quick CDM's who can anticipate trouble and react), don't loan players, don't play players who can't reach the EPL level (McLean, Rupp, Zimmerman, Sargent etc...) sort out the scouting system identifying how it failed so catastrophically and if we can't do that, use the U23s more often until we can, share out the game time so we develop players like Idah, Sorensen, Rowe, Tzolis, McCallum, Martin and others including at least 2 CDMs.   That will take longer than a season but it isn't 'doing the same thing again'.     Be interested to here your thoughts since all you've done on this thread is take a dig!    For someone quoting Einstein, that doesn't seem very clever!   

 

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1 hour ago, Christoph Stiepermann said:

For me we need a big overhaul of the playing squad and that kind of turnover doesn't often lend itself to immediate success or results. We also in this overhaul need to look at changing the profile of player we look at, away from smaller lads who are technically decent but little else and more towards better athletes who can potentially compete in the PL and who would allow us to play a more counter attacking style. 

This building a team to get up and stay up will make it harder to get promoted in the first place though. We usually just win the league by being technically superior to others in the Championship combined with a good GK and Pukki getting 20+ goals. But that doesn't translate to the PL, we're not technically good enough at that level to dominate teams, Krul isn't keeping out 10+ shots on target a game and Pukki is less effective with less chances obviously, so if we want to get up and actually have a chance at staying up we need to overhaul the side, particularly the midfield. 

If we get promoted playing a less possession based, less controlled and less exciting brand of football build on a better defence and exploiting counter attacks it won't be as much fun that's for sure, we probably won't run away with the league or get a huge points total either as it is better to be an attacking side in this league when you have better quality, but when we do go up again we'll give ourselves a much better chance of staying up with a solid foundation to build on. Go up with a good defence and then most importantly keep all our players together!!!! Then sign just 2 or 3 higher quality players to compliment what we have and we might do alright next time. 

 

Like Watford you mean? The problem is the quality of the player we have, not the size.

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9 minutes ago, Worthy Nigelton said:

Like Watford you mean? The problem is the quality of the player we have, not the size.

Its a balance. We don't need a squad overhaul. We don't need a team full of huge brawlers with little technical ability. But we do need a couple of them. We could do with the elusive CDM we are missing being a physically big built,  athletic version whos good in the air.

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5 minutes ago, hogesar said:

Its a balance. We don't need a squad overhaul. We don't need a team full of huge brawlers with little technical ability. But we do need a couple of them. We could do with the elusive CDM we are missing being a physically big built,  athletic version whos good in the air.

I basically agree with this. Many on here are saying we need to make sure we bring in a load of big physical players so that we are better prepared for the Prem next time, but what if those big physical players don't have the quality to get us out of the Championship? Players who have both the physical attributes and the technical skills cost the kind of money that's out of our range.

For me, there is far too much complacency on here that we can choose when we go up and how we go up, but the Championship can be like quicksand. IMO, we should start by making sure we keep the key players, starting with Pukki, before we start thinking of overhauling the squad.

I agree about the CDM but we've known this for a long time and we never seem to get one.

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On 19/04/2022 at 08:22, ged in the onion bag said:

Hoping for top ten, without promotion but plenty of positive development ready for promotion push the following season.    Replace the lads who clearly aren’t good enough at this level, bring through more youngsters …. Learn the lessons and try again with a little patience this time!

No point having any more promotions as the club is in an existential crisis having reached its glass ceiling. What is Norwich City for if it can't compete beyond a certain level? The Socialists will always look upon the EPL as a till ringing free hit. Nothing more. As for lessons learnt, the Socialists don't learn them on purpose.

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