Striving to make sense of the Ukraine war

[Herman 9,746]

2 hours ago, Mr Angry said:

I believe someone who is living in Kharkiv.

Why would I go to the Tory hustings?

He thinks if you're anti Putin you must be a tory. 🤨

The other fellow thinks if you're anti Putin you must be a socialist. 🤨

[Mr Angry 1,554]

1 hour ago, Herman said:

He thinks if you're anti Putin you must be a tory. 🤨

The other fellow thinks if you're anti Putin you must be a socialist. 🤨

Really? How weird.

[Herman 9,746]

22 minutes ago, Mr Angry said:

Really? How weird.

I'm probably over egging it a bit, but the hard left and hard right are pro Putin and are so close to each other while still having slight differences. 

[Mr Angry 1,554]

8 minutes ago, Herman said:

I'm probably over egging it a bit, but the hard left and hard right are pro Putin and are so close to each other while still having slight differences. 

Ok-I have often thought that political groups could be arranged in a circle, and in that circle the far left and far right meet each other.

[TheGunnShow 5,935]

Donbass and Crimea are Ukrainian territory, so it's obvious that the Russians are invading. Tweet was from 2020. Russians invaded the Donbass in 2014 and have been illegally occupying the place ever since. Only Russia recognises them, nowhere else.

All those tweets are trying to get people to miss that most salient point. Russian occupation of the Donbass and the Crimea was illegal to start with.

How many nation states recognise the two separatist Donbas republics and the Crimea as separate from Ukraine?

[Barbe bleu 818]

3 hours ago, Mr Angry said:

Ok-I have often thought that political groups could be arranged in a circle, and in that circle the far left and far right meet each other.

Its probably better not to try to fit politics into any line or shape.

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

On 23/08/2022 at 09:43, Mr Angry said:

I believe someone who is living in Kharkiv.

Why would I go to the Tory hustings?

I don't know, was merely asking. I'am also believing people who write from Dombass and Luchansk, but their views are suppressed, because it does not chime with what the Times Daily Mail, Sun and the Telegraph have to say about a Nazi wore shipping state that has alleviated the murderers of thousands of Jews to national heroes. YKNMIU

[Yellow Fever 3,763]

20 hours ago, Mr Angry said:

Ok-I have often thought that political groups could be arranged in a circle, and in that circle the far left and far right meet each other.

Yes - I think's it's more that they both become totally intolerant of anybody with opposing (or non-prescribed) views. Both become in effect totalitarian and to all intents and purposes indistinguishable in their actions if not their aims.

On here we can humour the absurd NNHHI or 7HAR but I wonder how an unhinged pro-Ukrainian post would go down in Moscow on a football forum. Likely 'Never Seen Again' at present.

 

[nevermind, neoliberalism has had it 159]

23 hours ago, Mr Angry said:

Really? How weird.

our banks are supporting Putins efforts to extract more fossil fuel, go have a chat to them about stopping their billions, because Ukraine wants the banks to stop their support.

https://www.inkl.com/news/uk-and-us-banks-among-biggest-backers-of-russian-carbon-bombs-data-shows

This is one issue I agree with Ukraine on. If they now declare Stepan Bandera as a murderous anti Semite, rather than upholding his status as a national hero, sic,  hundreds of thousands of others might also support such sense.

[Sheva 123]

It’s looking likely that the Russian invaders will create a disaster at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, the biggest in Europe.

That would directly bring the west into Ukraine, maybe something both sides want.

 

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

Add targeted vandalism of Arctic ice through flaring of $8.4m worth of gas a day in the Arctic circle to Putin's crimes now. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62652133.amp

[Indy 3,296]

12 hours ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Add targeted vandalism of Arctic ice through flaring of $8.4m worth of gas a day in the Arctic circle to Putin's crimes now. 

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-62652133.amp

Not necessarily, flaring is a by product of gas production often doe as shutting in carp uses more issues! It’s still nothing compared to Gulf of Mexico and globally in condensate flaring! If the EU doesn’t want to buy the gas causing major issues for itself, then it’s a problem which Russia will carry out! It’s an unfortunate consequence of mass gas production!

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

43 minutes ago, Indy said:

Not necessarily, flaring is a by product of gas production often doe as shutting in carp uses more issues! It’s still nothing compared to Gulf of Mexico and globally in condensate flaring! If the EU doesn’t want to buy the gas causing major issues for itself, then it’s a problem which Russia will carry out! It’s an unfortunate consequence of mass gas production!

That's a hell of a flip around, going from extolling how 'every little helps' in terms of reducing energy consumption to save the environment on one thread, to excusing mass flaring in arguably one of the most damaging places on the planet possible on the back of sanctions triggered by an illegal invasion.

Edited August 26, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie

[Indy 3,296]

7 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

That's a hell of a flip around, going from extolling how 'every little helps' in terms of reducing energy consumption to save the environment on one thread, to excusing mass flaring in arguably one of the most damaging places on the planet possible on the back of sanctions triggered by an illegal invasion.

No it’s a byproduct of producing gas! Nothing else!

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

7 minutes ago, Indy said:

No it’s a byproduct of producing gas! Nothing else!

They know demand is reducing so they could reduce production; continuing production and flaring in the Arctic circle at levels way beyond reasonable technical justifications is wilful environmental vandalism by Russia as a form of protest at sanctions. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie

[Indy 3,296]

12 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

They know demand is reducing so they could reduce production; continuing production and flaring in the Arctic circle at levels way beyond reasonable technical justifications is wilful environmental vandalism by Russia as a form of protest at sanctions. 

Whatever you want to buy into! 👍

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

3 minutes ago, Indy said:

Whatever you want to buy into! 👍

If you're seriously suggesting to me that Russia is incapable of reducing gas production in response to massive reduction in demand known to it well in advance and the only thing it can do is just burn all of the unsold gas it produces unnecessarily at unprecedented levels then it's you who needs to question what you're buying into, not me. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie

[Indy 3,296]

5 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

If you're seriously suggesting to me that Russia is incapable of reducing gas production in response to massive reduction in demand known to it well in advance and the only thing it can do is just burn all of the unsold gas it produces unnecessarily at unprecedented levels then it's you who needs to question what you're buying into, not me. 

Your the one who is happily buying into using energy as you wish and blaming the global governments in not doing enough for climate change and yet a by product of gas production in flaring you get your **** in a twist! Ask yourself who the major benefactors are in rising energy prices and then you might understand it’s not all as black and white as you believe it to be. Russian government is an absolute abomination and totally wrong in its invasion, but you have such a one sided view of the west and its motives in your mind are all positive that you miss things! 
I’ll leave it there as we will never see eye to eye as America to me is as corrupt as Russia but we all accept it! Just think which two nations are making billions out of this crises!

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

29 minutes ago, Indy said:

Your the one who is happily buying into using energy as you wish and blaming the global governments in not doing enough for climate change and yet a by product of gas production in flaring you get your **** in a twist! Ask yourself who the major benefactors are in rising energy prices and then you might understand it’s not all as black and white as you believe it to be. Russian government is an absolute abomination and totally wrong in its invasion, but you have such a one sided view of the west and its motives in your mind are all positive that you miss things! 
I’ll leave it there as we will never see eye to eye as America to me is as corrupt as Russia but we all accept it! Just think which two nations are making billions out of this crises!

https://www.energyforgrowth.org/memo/gas-flaring-why-does-it-happen-and-what-can-stop-it/

Daily current flaring at that location is estimated at 4.34 cubic metres per day (that would be 1.6bcm per year). 

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-nordstream/russia-burns-gas-into-the-atmosphere-while-cutting-supplies-to-eu-idINL8N3022YZ

Global gas flaring in 2019 was 140bcm, which means this one site is accounting for over 1% of all the total flaring globally annually. That is not simply a 'byproduct'. 

All else being equal, the biggest benefactor of rising energy prices is the environment, because I sure as hell can't afford to waste as much money as that being careless with energy usage, and demand will go down even further when people freeze to death next winter. 

Edited August 26, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie

[Yellow Fever 3,763]

All it is Putin saying look I've got so much gas I can squander it. It's all  propaganda and mind games. Just ignore it.

[Indy 3,296]

5 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

https://www.energyforgrowth.org/memo/gas-flaring-why-does-it-happen-and-what-can-stop-it/

Daily current flaring at that location is estimated at 4.34 cubic metres per day (that would be 1.6bcm per year). 

https://www.reuters.com/article/ukraine-crisis-nordstream/russia-burns-gas-into-the-atmosphere-while-cutting-supplies-to-eu-idINL8N3022YZ

Global gas flaring in 2019 was 140bcm, which means this one site is accounting for over 1% of all the total flaring globally annually. That is not simply a 'byproduct'. 

All else being equal, the biggest benefactor of rising energy prices is the environment, because I sure as hell can't afford to waste as much money as that being careless with energy usage, and demand will go down even further when people freeze to death next winter. 

Compared to 420 bcc per year of gas vented and flared in the US alone! You need consider flared and vented gas they’re the same by product! Like I said you really need to stop just finding stuff online to support your view and dig a little deeper! I’ll leave it there!

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

12 minutes ago, Yellow Fever said:

All it is Putin saying look I've got so much gas I can squander it. It's all  propaganda and mind games. Just ignore it.

Exactly my point. Wilful vandalism for political purposes. 

 

10 minutes ago, Indy said:

Compared to 420 bcc per year of gas vented and flared in the US alone! You need consider flared and vented gas they’re the same by product! Like I said you really need to stop just finding stuff online to support your view and dig a little deeper! I’ll leave it there!

The world bank estimated 140 bcm flared globally for 2021, so that figure for the US is impossible. 

https://www.worldbank.org/en/programs/gasflaringreduction/global-flaring-data#:~:text=Gas Flaring Volume and Flaring,gas was flared in 2021.

The US government reports 1.48bcf/d flared, which is 15bcm/year, which means the US accounts for about 10% of global flaring, which isn't bad considering they produce about a quarter of global gas. 

https://www.energy.gov/fecm/articles/doe-flaring-and-venting-rd-reducing-emissions-and-developing-valuable-low-carbon#:~:text=According to the U.S. Energy,%2C at 1.48 Bcf%2Fd.

Edited August 26, 2022 by littleyellowbirdie

[Indy 3,296]

19 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Exactly my point. Wilful vandalism for political purposes. 

 

The world bank estimated 140 bcm flared globally for 2021, so that figure for the US is impossible. 

https://www.worldbank.org/en/programs/gasflaringreduction/global-flaring-data#:~:text=Gas Flaring Volume and Flaring,gas was flared in 2021.

The US government reports 1.48bcf/d flared, which is 15bcm/year, which means the US accounts for about 10% of global flaring, which isn't bad considering they produce about a quarter of global gas. 

https://www.energy.gov/fecm/articles/doe-flaring-and-venting-rd-reducing-emissions-and-developing-valuable-low-carbon#:~:text=According to the U.S. Energy,%2C at 1.48 Bcf%2Fd.

Yes I was quoting feet and indeed it is around 15 million cm flared. Even so the point is relevant, two major countries in Saudi & US are gaining from artificially inflated prices and those companies and governments and majority of their population aren’t keen on global warming challenges! 

Edited August 26, 2022 by Indy

[littleyellowbirdie 2,531]

2 minutes ago, Indy said:

Yes I was quoting feet and indeed it is around 15 million cm flared. Even so the point is relevant, two major countries in Saudi & US are gaining from artificially inflated prices and those companies and governments and majority of their population aren’t keen on global warming challenges! 

Are you seriously telling me you believe it's wrong to sanction Russia for an unprovoked war of conquest of a neighbour? Because unless you believe that's the case, then the fact that every gas supplier globally, not just the US and Saudi, is selling at higher prices due to the shortage, is utterly irrelevant. 

[Yellow Fever 3,763]

The counter-offensive it seems has begun. Let hope it drives the Russians back and helps to bring some sense to Putin.

[MooreMarriot 310]

Very accident prone and careless these  Russians  :

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62750584

[Daz Sparks 1,151]

2 minutes ago, MooreMarriot said:

Very accident prone and careless these  Russians  :

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62750584

I wonder how long before Vlad has a small mishap?

[Creative Midfielder 1,996]

9 minutes ago, Daz Sparks said:

I wonder how long before Vlad has a small mishap?

Given that Vlad seems to be completely paranoid I imagine he stays well away from tall buildings but then the Russians are quite imaginative in the range and variety of their mishaps.

[Daz Sparks 1,151]

7 minutes ago, Creative Midfielder said:

Given that Vlad seems to be completely paranoid I imagine he stays well away from tall buildings but then the Russians are quite imaginative in the range and variety of their mishaps.

And given that they are Olympic grade liars with gold medals in betrayal, subterfuge and disinformation, Putler has every right to be paranoid.

[7HAR1980 102]