Time to get on board again

[Big Vince 420]

25 minutes ago, Block Y Seat 176 said:

Football is “ a funny old game “ and logic and form suggests relegation. The side needs a boost and for me the one player that could spark a revival is Jonathan Rowe. I hope he gets some starts as he does provide a threat and his movement and control are at a high level we need in the opposition area.

If we fail, we have some talented youngsters ready to enjoy and watch them develop next season in Championship.

 

Develop for what purpose? To be sold? Would suit Delia nicely. To get promoted again? There is no point. Norwich City have reached the end of the road under this ownership. They cannot advance any further. The glass ceiling is above 21st place.

[Monty13 2,731]

All aboard everyone!

[BroadstairsR 2,272]

1 hour ago, Block Y Seat 176 said:

Football is “ a funny old game “ and logic and form suggests relegation. The side needs a boost and for me the one player that could spark a revival is Jonathan Rowe. I hope he gets some starts as he does provide a threat and his movement and control are at a high level we need in the opposition area.

If we fail, we have some talented youngsters ready to enjoy and watch them develop next season in Championship.

 

Agreed,

Rowe, Omo and Mumba seem to be the next "generation" of youngsters from the production line (and plucked from various sources  from Wembley FC to Newcastle United) who should be able to shine in the Championship.

Neither have I given up on Josh Martin, despite the fact that it seems his loans out couldn't have gone more badly this season.

There will be others, but I have lost track. Gibbs? Dixon-Peters?

It's all doom and gloom for us at the moment, so a good dose of positivity  would not be out of place.

However, rather than chasing shadows regarding a miracle Premier League survival,  it might be more worthwhile and encouraging to dwell upon the host of youthful prospects currently connected to NCFC.

As a recent convert to the cause that seeks a change of the club's hierarchy, along with a rejection of the admirable but limited self-funding model, nothing would delight me more than to have this stance challenged by another surge of players from the academy proving their worth in the first team squad. 

I suppose it would be too much to expect that we could, for once, hold onto the best of the bunch as the model might be admirable for survival, but has limitations as far as genuine, reach for the sky ambition is concerned. It will need feeding.

Yo-yoing is fine, and I'd willingly settle for ten more years of it, but, by definition, it also means standing still.

Edited March 30, 2022 by BroadstairsR

[shefcanary 2,939]

The tenure of Sutton's piece in Pink Un + today is we are down.  The last of the national media pundit's to hold any hope for us has now officially deemed Lakey's positivity completely misplaced.  Let's get on with next season prep now.

Edited March 30, 2022 by shefcanary

[Block Y Seat 176 80]

1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

Develop for what purpose? To be sold? Would suit Delia nicely. To get promoted again? There is no point. Norwich City have reached the end of the road under this ownership. They cannot advance any further. The glass ceiling is above 21st place.

I enjoy watching the process of team development irrespective of which league we are in. I’m also pleased for individual players who go on to further their own carers at other clubs. I also appreciate talented players from the opposition who perform at the highest level at Carrow Rd. Gareth Bale on a charge from halfway line towards the Barclay was a site to behold. That’s why I go to Carrow Rd, achieving promotion to the Prem isn’t really on my wish list, it’s a byproduct of good overall management at Carrow Rd, remember Doncaster and his take on a time frame of buying players. 

[Big Vince 420]

52 minutes ago, Block Y Seat 176 said:

I enjoy watching the process of team development irrespective of which league we are in. I’m also pleased for individual players who go on to further their own carers at other clubs. I also appreciate talented players from the opposition who perform at the highest level at Carrow Rd. Gareth Bale on a charge from halfway line towards the Barclay was a site to behold. That’s why I go to Carrow Rd, achieving promotion to the Prem isn’t really on my wish list, it’s a byproduct of good overall management at Carrow Rd, remember Doncaster and his take on a time frame of buying players. 

Doomcaster is persona non grata, surely?

[(Hoola)Han Solo 324]

20 hours ago, lake district canary said:

The business end of the season is approaching and so time to think about Saturday and the prospect of playing Brighton. A dour 0-0 with maybe a late winner would go down a treat and if other results go for us, we catch up a bit on the rest. Small steps, but a win that keeps us in touch can still be huge for us and inspire us to more wins.

I don't care that we have keep on losing up to now, that is all in the past - the upcoming matches are a new ball game and if we won, lost or drew our last ten games, makes no difference. You forget what's gone, put the bad stuff behind you - and you look ahead. 

Thing is, do the players believe? Does Deano believe? Do the fans believe? Or is the next few weeks just a formality......

The cynical part of me thinks that many fans have given up, Deano doesn't really believe and the players are all looking at next season, but then again I know there will be those that still believe we can turn it round - I guess we'll see on Saturday......                  

 

I admire your positivity but from being at the Brentford and Leeds matches I really didn’t see much at all that suggests these players are battling to stay in this league. And these were our two most important games of the season.

[Ulfotto 793]

5 hours ago, (Hoola)Han Solo said:

I admire your positivity but from being at the Brentford and Leeds matches I really didn’t see much at all that suggests these players are battling to stay in this league. And these were our two most important games of the season.

I think the pressure told in the Leeds and Brentford games.

The rest of the season is important for Dean Smith if it turns into a project restart collapse he is going to under immense pressure at the start of next season. If he can scramble say a point a game or better then he has more credit in the bank and longer before the fans turn next year.

Yo yoing is fine by me but the premiership seasons need to be more fun a proper relegation fight, a cup run etc.. these meek surrenders are soul destroying. Will be interesting to follow Fulham season next year who seem to be one year ahead of us on the yo yo coaster given they are likely to be unable to hold onto Calvalho.

[Cupndownin85 3]

Looking forward to pre and post match beers and a good crack in the pub. As for the match.....naa....there's no joy watching city in this league anymore. Time the stowmarket 2 went and at least give the club a chance to 'kick on' and be competitive at the highest level. 

[corbs 147]

As a football fan the only aspect of the premiership which has ever interested me has been the fight for survival at the foot of the table. The top of the table has no appeal as one knows that London, Manchester and Liverpool teams will win (as they have done for my lifetime bar the odd hiccup). The disappointment has been that the established clubs manage to avoid relegation. Yo-yoing is probably the most exciting experience of all in football. What I have really missed with my team is the phenomenon which we call the “relegation battle “. But if we defer and sell out to the the plutocrats then we loose our ambition, our club and the ‘war’, in all likelihood. 

[canarybubbles 2,194]

I admire your optimism, Lakey, but it's hard to get on board. It's not just losing the matches, it's the way we are losing them. I can't see any shape, any plan, any structure, any overall vision. If we were losing but I could see some kind of underlying pattern that we might be aiming towards - as in the early days with Farke - I could try to buy into it. But there's nothing. It's just kick and rush.

[Channon’s Windmill 405]

8 hours ago, corbs said:

As a football fan the only aspect of the premiership which has ever interested me has been the fight for survival at the foot of the table. The top of the table has no appeal as one knows that London, Manchester and Liverpool teams will win (as they have done for my lifetime bar the odd hiccup). The disappointment has been that the established clubs manage to avoid relegation. Yo-yoing is probably the most exciting experience of all in football. What I have really missed with my team is the phenomenon which we call the “relegation battle “. But if we defer and sell out to the the plutocrats then we loose our ambition, our club and the ‘war’, in all likelihood. 

Get your point, however, our team aren’t set up to battle, we weakly surrender at any opportunity.

[Danke bitte 1,147]

On 30/03/2022 at 17:28, Ulfotto said:

I think the pressure told in the Leeds and Brentford games.

The rest of the season is important for Dean Smith if it turns into a project restart collapse he is going to under immense pressure at the start of next season. If he can scramble say a point a game or better then he has more credit in the bank and longer before the fans turn next year.

Yo yoing is fine by me but the premiership seasons need to be more fun a proper relegation fight, a cup run etc.. these meek surrenders are soul destroying. Will be interesting to follow Fulham season next year who seem to be one year ahead of us on the yo yo coaster given they are likely to be unable to hold onto Calvalho.

I think it’s dependent on what happens with Webber and whether Smith and Adams are the two in charge of signings. If it’s the latter I’m feeling more positive about the Championship. Webber’s head clearly isn’t with his job right now and what this club needs is some focus and decent knowledge in the transfer market, which I think Smith and Shakey have.

Lets see, if there’s a serious relegation hangover with no footballing identity witnessed on pitch however I can see fans losing patience quite quickly. 

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

But now we know the secret to turning this around.

Dean Smith: Individually and collectively, we have got to be better

[Capt. Pants 4,973]

1 hour ago, keelansgrandad said:

But now we know the secret to turning this around.

Dean Smith: Individually and collectively, we have all got to be better

Fixed that for him, just to clarify it applies to him as well as others, including those with a focus elsewhere.

[......and Smith must score. 1,587]

On 30/03/2022 at 20:44, Cupndownin85 said:

Looking forward to pre and post match beers and a good crack in the pub. As for the match.....naa....there's no joy watching city in this league anymore. Time the stowmarket 2 went and at least give the club a chance to 'kick on' and be competitive at the highest level. 

I’ll certainly be enjoying the pre and post match beers and good craic in the pub.

Will steer clear of any other crack as it probably wouldn’t end well 😮

Edited April 1, 2022 by ......and Smith must score.

[Mello Yello 2,553]

The squad are all aboard and currently winging their way to Gatwick.....followed by a tedious 30 mile bus ride to Brighton.....

....(Just for those who are interested, Hoggy etc)....

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

2 hours ago, Mello Yello said:

The squad are all aboard and currently winging their way to Gatwick.....followed by a tedious 30 mile bus ride to Brighton.....

....(Just for those who are interested, Hoggy etc)....

Do they bring back some Baccy for the groundstaff?

[Move Klose 303]

On 29/03/2022 at 18:36, Capt. Pants said:

He has. I wouldn't select him for a start.

I wouldn't bother picking any of the loan players.

[Mello Yello 2,553]

15 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Do they bring back some Baccy for the groundstaff?

No chance.....all the travelling squad and coaching staff allowances of ciggies an' baccy go to 'Micky "Hey boyos as you lot don't smerk can you each gerruz  200 Capstan full strength - an' i'll see you right back at Carra?" Wynn'.....The whole squad an' staff vino and fortified wine allowance?....Well, you can guess who that goes to "We need a 12th man here!"...."Hic!".....

Mickey Chicken an' Neppers Tom just fight over the King Sized Toblerones.....

Hope no one forgot their Passports and East Sussex visas?.....

Because Brighton's Border Force are pretty ruthless.....

[NCFCInnit 52]

Funny old deluded life to lead, being the very last apologist. The rest of us are thoroughly embarrassed for club and city.

[lake district canary 4,813]

2 minutes ago, NCFCInnit said:

Funny old deluded life to lead, being the very last apologist. The rest of us are thoroughly embarrassed for club and city.

Well if you look at my op, I asked for a 0-0 with the possibility of a late winner, so my so called "optimism" wasn't so far out. That it was one sided and we were lucky not to lose was not what I wanted, but we plainly did enough to get a point, not enough in the scheme of things, but a point nevertheless so bring on the next game and see if we can build on that point today.

Deluded, maybe, or maybe it's that football is a funny game and while there are points there to be won, then that is what we try and get. One today, home game next against Burnley....surely three points to fight for there and some self-respect to take us on to the next game after that....

 

[Unhinged Canary 375]

 

 

On 29/03/2022 at 15:21, lake district canary said:

The business end of the season is approaching and so time to think about Saturday and the prospect of playing Brighton. A dour 0-0 with maybe a late winner would go down a treat and if other results go for us, we catch up a bit on the rest. Small steps, but a win that keeps us in touch can still be huge for us and inspire us to more wins.

I don't care that we have keep on losing up to now, that is all in the past - the upcoming matches are a new ball game and if we won, lost or drew our last ten games, makes no difference. You forget what's gone, put the bad stuff behind you - and you look ahead. 

Thing is, do the players believe? Does Deano believe? Do the fans believe? Or is the next few weeks just a formality......

The cynical part of me thinks that many fans have given up, Deano doesn't really believe and the players are all looking at next season, but then again I know there will be those that still believe we can turn it round - I guess we'll see on Saturday......                  

 

You can actually hear both oxygen and electricity being wasted here.

A rare feat.

[CDMullins 498]

8 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Well if you look at my op, I asked for a 0-0 with the possibility of a late winner, so my so called "optimism" wasn't so far out. That it was one sided and we were lucky not to lose was not what I wanted, but we plainly did enough to get a point, not enough in the scheme of things, but a point nevertheless so bring on the next game and see if we can build on that point today.

Deluded, maybe, or maybe it's that football is a funny game and while there are points there to be won, then that is what we try and get. One today, home game next against Burnley....surely three points to fight for there and some self-respect to take us on to the next game after that....

 

You must have something better in life to do than carry on with this sh1t?

If not, you.really ought to find something.

[BroadstairsR 2,272]

Surely any crumbs of optimism are blown into thin air by the way our actual performances have deteriorated since the brief upsurge when Dean Smith first arrived. That's the main thing, not the results as such.

Some decent showings could lead us to believe in that miracle, but we are just plain shocking, and so much so that many posters on here now see this squad as nothing more than a mid-table Championship outfit, and fear even worse in the long term. They may have a point.

My faith in the current management team lessens by the game. Team selections baffle, tactics seem non-existent, and performances are dire to the extent that the club seems to be declining before our very eyes. That you cannot turn a pig's ear into a silk purse is a valid excuse, but it does not excuse actual performances like those of late.  

The impression  portrayed by those at the top is one of indifference and that they are no longer concerned with NCFC because we are Little old Norwich and that's the way it is. All we hear from Delia is talk about her new book, and all we hear from Webber is talk of climbing mountains, whilst at the same time we seem to be drifting towards mediocrity as a club.  

Dean Smith must wonder just what he has let himself in for. The loyal fan-base deserve better.

 

[lake district canary 4,813]

6 hours ago, CDMullins said:

You must have something better in life to do than carry on with this sh1t?

If not, you.really ought to find something.

It's been a tough season and if you go every week and feel so down trodden, then I sympathise with you, but I'll continue to think that better times are round the corner and as we all surely know, in football, you never know what can happen in the next match.  Burnley is a winnable game.

[CDMullins 498]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

It's been a tough season and if you go every week and feel so down trodden, then I sympathise with you, but I'll continue to think that better times are round the corner and as we all surely know, in football, you never know what can happen in the next match.  Burnley is a winnable game.

You're aiming your comments at people who go every week whilst you sit eating marble cake watching the game on ceefax,

Not only are you rediculously patronising but completely wrong too,

Let's be honest, every game is a winnable game to you, we've won 4, so this constant stream of sh1t is beyond boring.

You know what you're doing and you continue to do it.

[......and Smith must score. 1,587]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

It's been a tough season and if you go every week and feel so down trodden, then I sympathise with you, but I'll continue to think that better times are round the corner and as we all surely know, in football, you never know what can happen in the next match.  Burnley is a winnable game.

I thought they were all winnable ? 😉

[Big Vince 420]

3 hours ago, BroadstairsR said:

Surely any crumbs of optimism are blown into thin air by the way our actual performances have deteriorated since the brief upsurge when Dean Smith first arrived. That's the main thing, not the results as such.

Some decent showings could lead us to believe in that miracle, but we are just plain shocking, and so much so that many posters on here now see this squad as nothing more than a mid-table Championship outfit, and fear even worse in the long term. They may have a point.

My faith in the current management team lessens by the game. Team selections baffle, tactics seem non-existent, and performances are dire to the extent that the club seems to be declining before our very eyes. That you cannot turn a pig's ear into a silk purse is a valid excuse, but it does not excuse actual performances like those of late.  

The impression  portrayed by those at the top is one of indifference and that they are no longer concerned with NCFC because we are Little old Norwich and that's the way it is. All we hear from Delia is talk about her new book, and all we hear from Webber is talk of climbing mountains, whilst at the same time we seem to be drifting towards mediocrity as a club.  

Dean Smith must wonder just what he has let himself in for. The loyal fan-base deserve better.

 

Hear here.

[lake district canary 4,813]

53 minutes ago, CDMullins said:

You're aiming your comments at people who go every week whilst you sit eating marble cake watching the game on ceefax,

Not only are you rediculously patronising but completely wrong too,

Let's be honest, every game is a winnable game to you, we've won 4, so this constant stream of sh1t is beyond boring.

You know what you're doing and you continue to do it.

You see what you want to see, you think what you want to think, so please let me to do the same. My comments are for anyone and everyone who looks in on here, not just regular match goers.  ALL Norwich supporters EVERYWHERE have an interest in what we do. 

This season isn't done yet.  We all  get p***d off and frustrated that we aren't doing better, but whether you go to matches or just watch online, we can all understand that it can improve.  The alternative is to always be thinking things are going to be terrible, well if you want to go through the season thinking that, then that is up to you, but for me - and quite a few others - the next game is an opportunity to improve and that is what I will be looking for against Burnley - and we take it from there.

I know I'll not persuade you, you appear too set in your ways, but at least try and understand my point of view rather than dismiss it as some kind of game. The next game is important. It offers the chance for three points. It takes us up level on points with Burnley and it puts us a bit closer to the rest and give us a bit of hope, if not for survival, then a bit of self respect.  So come on!!!