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Just looking over recent pinkun articles and can’t help feeling like they serve as the propagander arm of Canary State Control Services. Case in point, Olsson interview where it insinuates he doesn’t care about the model but in the article it says about his view on big squads. Nothing to do with paying bigger wages or spending more on better players. This looks like an attempt to wheel out a fairly liked former player to try and simmer down unrest about the criticism of the model. Case 2, Gilmour being lauded as standing out a mile in training. When this actually refers to his time as a toddler at a very poor Rangers at the time. Case 3. Webber being pretty quiet after our recent bilge and unsuccessful appt is glossed over by the brave Everest climbing hero. Case 4, following more dross they wheel out Pinto to remind us that we are his favourite and blah blah blah. 
I’m not a subscriber so maybe I’m being unfair, but is it too much to ask for an honest and fairly insightful bit of journalism about an issue we are all interested in? Just feels like a total PR machine. 
 

says the man using its forum to ask about it 😂

if I don’t post in a while you know they got to me. Tell my wife I love her and i never meant to break the tumble dryer that time 

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26 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

Just looking over recent pinkun articles and can’t help feeling like they serve as the propagander arm of Canary State Control Services. Case in point, Olsson interview where it insinuates he doesn’t care about the model but in the article it says about his view on big squads. Nothing to do with paying bigger wages or spending more on better players. This looks like an attempt to wheel out a fairly liked former player to try and simmer down unrest about the criticism of the model. Case 2, Gilmour being lauded as standing out a mile in training. When this actually refers to his time as a toddler at a very poor Rangers at the time. Case 3. Webber being pretty quiet after our recent bilge and unsuccessful appt is glossed over by the brave Everest climbing hero. Case 4, following more dross they wheel out Pinto to remind us that we are his favourite and blah blah blah. 
I’m not a subscriber so maybe I’m being unfair, but is it too much to ask for an honest and fairly insightful bit of journalism about an issue we are all interested in? Just feels like a total PR machine. 
 

says the man using its forum to ask about it 😂

if I don’t post in a while you know they got to me. Tell my wife I love her and i never meant to break the tumble dryer that time 

Sweary 

😃 Before I used to read 📚 it but not now . I don't subscribe for the app. I don't know how successful that upgrade has been. 

I think you just read on your other posts what I said about Ricardo. And it's true 

And I'd like to nominate also Ricardo for all his post match reports. They are better than the pinkun reporters views on games.

Maybe they are all caught in the 🕷 Webb. 🤣 CSCS.

Mind you we need some good PR at the moment . But🤫 I know what you mean.

Must dash there's a knock at the door and the Internet has gone down.

 

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Just now, SwearyCanary said:

Agree, Ricardo blends the comedy with the reality pretty seemlessly 

And his App is free. Saying that if he launched an app. I would pay for that more than the the other propoganda machine.🤣🕷🕸

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1 hour ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Was decent until they tried forcing everyone to pay to read it. Much better when it was free 😉

It was never exactly free... and there were often articles in the EDP/Evening News that were not always on the Pinkun website. And if they were, it was often after the papers with the stories had been sold.

The reality is, journalists are not free. They study and gain qualifications for their jobs, gain official press passes for interviews etc etc etc. If they just gave away the news they put the hard work into getting for their readership for free, how exactly are they meant to do it as a profession?

In reality, the app is cheaper than regularly buying a newspaper. 

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It’s hardly propaganda but I suspect they can’t be too damning of the club or they’d ruin the relationship they need to maintain with them. Obviously means you’re not going to get a full, honest, explicit set of opinion pieces from them.

As for Olsson, I’m sure he knows the answer is obvious, money. I was reading some Leeds puff piece and in the comments their fans were moaning about them only spending £130m net over the past 2 seasons… says it all.

I guess we’ll have to hope the likes of Sargent and Tzolis pull their fingers out over summer and destroy the championship though I’m sure if they did, they’d be simping for a move somewhere with more money and prestige on offer at the earliest moment anyway.

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Completely agree with the comments on Ricardo's match reports. I've long said they should ask him to do them for the actual paper, at least it's engaging to read compared to the actual reports which are as bland as bottled water

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The Pinkun is fed what the club wants the plebs to see in order to maintain press access.

 

Sadly it works on the terminally blinkered.

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I can see why they do it because if the source dries up, then there's no content for the paid for app. It was probably inevitable it would turn out like this.

Some would regard it as a balanced and measured view, which is probably important for retaining a more discerning readership, even if it doesn't say what you want to hear all of the time.

 

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9 hours ago, Tetteys Jig said:

It’s hardly propaganda but I suspect they can’t be too damning of the club or they’d ruin the relationship they need to maintain with them. Obviously means you’re not going to get a full, honest, explicit set of opinion pieces from them.

As for Olsson, I’m sure he knows the answer is obvious, money. I was reading some Leeds puff piece and in the comments their fans were moaning about them only spending £130m net over the past 2 seasons… says it all.

I guess we’ll have to hope the likes of Sargent and Tzolis pull their fingers out over summer and destroy the championship though I’m sure if they did, they’d be simping for a move somewhere with more money and prestige on offer at the earliest moment anyway.

The bit in bold always looked like the truth of the model proctor hoc.

Rashica was the only true Premier-ready purchase, the other major asset additions low-risk longer-term appreciators that might make a dent at the top level

It was a recognition that such finances - and indeed Buendias - might not actually come around so often. That the next Buendia would have to be part-bought part-grown. 

Webber’s hands were indeed thus tied by lack of finance. 

My question would be how much does this really amortise the risk and are Buendia-Weapons really grown that way?

I think in other areas of the country - certainly in Italy - these kinds of questions would be asked directly by press as a matter of course. 

It is not unreasonable to ask questions of the model and its operation to aid further understanding of fans.

Rather than deflection or polyanna humming, why not embrace the opportunity to explain and educate?

Parma 

 

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9 hours ago, Tetteys Jig said:

It’s hardly propaganda but I suspect they can’t be too damning of the club or they’d ruin the relationship they need to maintain with them. Obviously means you’re not going to get a full, honest, explicit set of opinion pieces from them.

As for Olsson, I’m sure he knows the answer is obvious, money. I was reading some Leeds puff piece and in the comments their fans were moaning about them only spending £130m net over the past 2 seasons… says it all.

I guess we’ll have to hope the likes of Sargent and Tzolis pull their fingers out over summer and destroy the championship though I’m sure if they did, they’d be simping for a move somewhere with more money and prestige on offer at the earliest moment anyway.

I find on the podcast the Pinkun journalists are a lot more candid and objectively critical than I find in the general tone of their articles.

Maybe it’s an editorial stance? 

What I find irritating is that they don’t seem to be asking tough questions that you’d expect from journalists that are holding the club to account.

The lack of questioning on the clubs and Webbers current views and activities being an obvious point.

Maybe they don’t want to sour a great relationship and access with the club given their dependency on it? I don’t think they are anywhere near propaganda but it does feel like they treat the club with a fairly soft touch editorially.

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Guest writers from this forum might dare ask the questions that need answers. Keith and Big Vince should have a monthly column even on the app only. It might get a few of the undecided to subscribe. 

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Olsson piece is weird. Obviously they're fine with it. If we had more money to spend a lot of those players just wouldn't have been here.

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A good journalist is fiery when (s)he needs to be. I do think at the moment there's more desire to see blood from certain sections of the fanbase rather than the journos themselves, and this disconnect is considered by a few to be "propaganda". 

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13 hours ago, Mengo said:

And I'd like to nominate also Ricardo for all his post match reports. They are better than the pinkun reporters views on games.

 

Definitely 👍

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28 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

A good journalist is fiery when (s)he needs to be. I do think at the moment there's more desire to see blood from certain sections of the fanbase rather than the journos themselves, and this disconnect is considered by a few to be "propaganda". 

Hopefully a journalist hasn't invested his heart and soul into supporting NCFC and might therefore give a more unbiased balanced report. Probably a good percentage accurate but the same as anything, its based on opinion. There are always at least three schools of thinking when it comes to a Saturday evening on this site so why would journos be any different.

And I certainly wouldn't pay to read anything on the Pinkun. I don't buy any newspapers, not even the weekly Cornwall newspaper.

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10 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

The Socialists bought off Archant a long time ago so what the OP describes is something that has been going on since that transaction.

There are chilling similarities between the one-party state that is Norfolk and Putin's Russia. No one dares to investigate what is really going on because they are scared of the repercussions.

Was there a sell on fee?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-norfolk-60800501

Newspaper publisher Archant sold to Newsquest

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4 hours ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

The bit in bold always looked like the truth of the model proctor hoc.

Rashica was the only true Premier-ready purchase, the other major asset additions low-risk longer-term appreciators that might make a dent at the top level

It was a recognition that such finances - and indeed Buendias - might not actually come around so often. That the next Buendia would have to be part-bought part-grown. 

Webber’s hands were indeed thus tied by lack of finance. 

My question would be how much does this really amortise the risk and are Buendia-Weapons really grown that way?

I think in other areas of the country - certainly in Italy - these kinds of questions would be asked directly by press as a matter of course. 

It is not unreasonable to ask questions of the model and its operation to aid further understanding of fans.

Rather than deflection or polyanna humming, why not embrace the opportunity to explain and educate?

Parma 

 

Here is the article that hasn’t been written:

’Stuart, how do you feel currently?….’

’Well…I’ve given my all over the last few years and I’m deeply disappointed with the outcome of this season. I take it personally, not least because some of the failings are inevitably mine. 

However I need to get away, a different environment and challenge, see things with a different perspective…

…I believe we did everything with good reason, logic and calculation, though it is further clear that more of the same won’t be enough. 

We are deeply limited financially. We cannot spend any monies - or even commit to any monies - beyond that which we have in the bank and have generated ourselves.

The club invested well previously with Maddison, Godfrey..the first of which got us out of a very dangerous hole..then we were really skilful in spotting Buendia and we trained on Lewis and Aarons really well. 

We invested aggressively for us upon promotion - we believed we had identified tomorrow’s Maddison-Godfrey-Buendia in Tzolis and Sargent, plus we bought Rashica who we knew was Premier ready. 

It will always be the case that younger investments take time to mature - and to be honest we also plan for the Tzolis’ and Sargents to perhaps be ready to dominate at a league down level. Then their asset value rises and we either have Premier level quality or we sell and do the same again’

However, that was also the plan from 2019-20 and the pain we all felt from then - which we quite logically and ruthlessly planned for - has not seen the returns in 2021-22 that we intended. 

I need time to reflect on all this and what it means. I have my vice already in the building, learning my job well, he is quite capable. Zoe is on the Board and will bring her ideas forward and her project-focused drive to the table…

‘…it may be that this is really where the answer lies for Norwich City Football Club….the idea of a progressive football-promotion-purchase-sale model does not look enough to amortise the massive financial and sporting gap between Premier and Championship with our clear parameters. Finding Buendias and growing or buying weapons is simply too long odds in our situation. Others can buy their way so much faster than we can grow our way - if indeed that is now feasible at all. 

However what Zoe may drive for - and what I may come to terms with and embrace with her - is that Norwich City Football Club DOES have some very special, perhaps unique, factors. 

The Club did basically sell out the stadium every week in the third division. The season tickets are artificially capped at 22k every week. This does risk ‘losing a generation’ of fans, it does mean that young people are de-facto somewhat excluded, it does mean that the hugely successfully kids-for-a-quid and similar initiatives from Andy Cullen that were so successful in creating the fan-stadium advantages we have today are not currently used or leveraged.

We don’t have the money to invest in the club. We have to try to be as competitive on the pitch as we can be. We do not have the eyes or stomach for big capital investment projects funded internally. 

However, the fans did collectively invest in the Tifosys Bond Scheme to build the fantastic training facilities we now have at Colney. Shareholders couldn’t or wouldn’t build it themselves, though there was some underwriting. 

Zoe has been thinking that maybe, maybe we could do something similar with the Stadium itself?

It would be a lot to ask, the returns might be much less, returns might not be guaranteed, in fact it might have to be the fan investors on the hook for any losses or downturn in the project. Their capital might be at risk. Good returns if we filled it…then we’d have to! They’d have to…!..

…We might be able to find creative Club-based ways to incentive them or amortise their risk though. Opening the stadium up for different uses, backstage training-ground passes, plaques, bespoke merchandise, special stadium share ownership…we’d have to look into it….’

‘…don’t print any of that Paddy…I’m just spitballing…’

Parma 

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Must confess the recent gist of articles is a little puzzling. Freezer was banging on about how being at the top end of the championshoip is not to be sniffed at the other day and the headline on the Southwell article the OP refers to is very strange and bears little or no relation to what Olssen actually said. Moreover ask him if wages make a difference to players and i reckon you'd get a different answer. 

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51 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Here is the article that hasn’t been written:

’Stuart, how do you feel currently?….’

’Well…I’ve given my all over the last few years and I’m deeply disappointed with the outcome of this season. I take it personally, not least because some of the failings are inevitably mine. 

However I need to get away, a different environment and challenge, see things with a different perspective…

…I believe we did everything with good reason, logic and calculation, though it is further clear that more of the same won’t be enough. 

We are deeply limited financially. We cannot spend any monies - or even commit to any monies - beyond that which we have in the bank and have generated ourselves.

The club invested well previously with Maddison, Godfrey..the first of which got us out of a very dangerous hole..then we were really skilful in spotting Buendia and we trained on Lewis and Aarons really well. 

We invested aggressively for us upon promotion - we believed we had identified tomorrow’s Maddison-Godfrey-Buendia in Tzolis and Sargent, plus we bought Rashica who we knew was Premier ready. 

It will always be the case that younger investments take time to mature - and to be honest we also plan for the Tzolis’ and Sargents to perhaps be ready to dominate at a league down level. Then their asset value rises and we either have Premier level quality or we sell and do the same again’

However, that was also the plan from 2019-20 and the pain we all felt from then - which we quite logically and ruthlessly planned for - has not seen the returns in 2021-22 that we intended. 

I need time to reflect on all this and what it means. I have my vice already in the building, learning my job well, he is quite capable. Zoe is on the Board and will bring her ideas forward and her project-focused drive to the table…

‘…it may be that this is really where the answer lies for Norwich City Football Club….the idea of a progressive football-promotion-purchase-sale model does not look enough to amortise the massive financial and sporting gap between Premier and Championship with our clear parameters. Finding Buendias and growing or buying weapons is simply too long odds in our situation. Others can buy their way so much faster than we can grow our way - if indeed that is now feasible at all. 

However what Zoe may drive for - and what I may come to terms with and embrace with her - is that Norwich City Football Club DOES have some very special, perhaps unique, factors. 

The Club did basically sell out the stadium every week in the third division. The season tickets are artificially capped at 22k every week. This does risk ‘losing a generation’ of fans, it does mean that young people are de-facto somewhat excluded, it does mean that the hugely successfully kids-for-a-quid and similar initiatives from Andy Cullen that were so successful in creating the fan-stadium advantages we have today are not currently used or leveraged.

We don’t have the money to invest in the club. We have to try to be as competitive on the pitch as we can be. We do not have the eyes or stomach for big capital investment projects funded internally. 

However, the fans did collectively invest in the Tifosys Bond Scheme to build the fantastic training facilities we now have at Colney. Shareholders couldn’t or wouldn’t build it themselves, though there was some underwriting. 

Zoe has been thinking that maybe, maybe we could do something similar with the Stadium itself?

It would be a lot to ask, the returns might be much less, returns might not be guaranteed, in fact it might have to be the fan investors on the hook for any losses or downturn in the project. Their capital might be at risk. Good returns if we filled it…then we’d have to! They’d have to…!..

…We might be able to find creative Club-based ways to incentive them or amortise their risk though. Opening the stadium up for different uses, backstage training-ground passes, plaques, bespoke merchandise, special stadium share ownership…we’d have to look into it….’

‘…don’t print any of that Paddy…I’m just spitballing…’

Parma 

Interesting stuff, Parma.  Would it be fair to say that the UK fans don't demand the same kind of insight/”honesty” from their clubs as the Italian fans do? Is this down to the respective football cultures? The influence of the ultras? Or is it down the the press? I rarely see the in depth, thoughtful kind of analysis of football that you often provide here (thanks) even in the broadsheets here; whereas Italy has newspapers devoted to such analysis. 

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5 hours ago, Taiwan Canary said:

Interesting stuff, Parma.  Would it be fair to say that the UK fans don't demand the same kind of insight/”honesty” from their clubs as the Italian fans do? Is this down to the respective football cultures? The influence of the ultras? Or is it down the the press? I rarely see the in depth, thoughtful kind of analysis of football that you often provide here (thanks) even in the broadsheets here; whereas Italy has newspapers devoted to such analysis. 

Yes I would certainly say that Taiwan. I also think that Italy and Holland (as examples) have a culture where more strategic analysis is commonplace.

I suspect that this down to historical elements such as Total Voetbal, Catennaccio, Cruyff and likely also as a consequence of respective schooling and class systems (or lack of them). In short the rowers, cricketers and rugby players of England are typically footballers in Italy and Holland. 

Thus Wayne Rooney or Gazza are welcome, though they are also joined by highly educated, finely coached and intellectually sharp individuals.

Football intelligence can indeed come from anywhere, though at the top level speed of processing, disciplined and controlled decision-making, positional play awareness and tactical sophistication are not hurt by higher levels of intelligence. 

As a consequence the questions asked are a little sharper…

Parma 

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Good posts from Taiwan and Parma. I have made the point before that the only truly great attacking player I can think of who made a top-class manager was Cruyff, who was indeed brought up in the world of Total Football.

The question of intelligence intelligence versus sporting intelligence is interesting. I can think of one cricketer who by all accounts was academically very unremarkable, and left school at 15 or 16, but had the sporting intelligence to make the most of his fairly limited ability to end up playing for England.

And he proved to be a tactically very astute captain of one of the best First-Class county sides. Which is not an easy gig. Rooney looks like he might be a bit of a footballing equivalent as a manager.

PS. "Spitballing"? O tempora, o mores, o Parma...🤓

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24 minutes ago, Parma Ham's gone mouldy said:

Yes I would certainly say that Taiwan. I also think that Italy and Holland (as examples) have a culture where more strategic analysis is commonplace.

I suspect that this down to historical elements such as Total Voetbal, Catennaccio, Cruyff and likely also as a consequence of respective schooling and class systems (or lack of them). In short the rowers, cricketers and rugby players of England are typically footballers in Italy and Holland. 

Thus Wayne Rooney or Gazza are welcome, though they are also joined by highly educated, finely coached and intellectually sharp individuals.

Football intelligence can indeed come from anywhere, though at the top level speed of processing, disciplined and controlled decision-making, positional play awareness and tactical sophistication are not hurt by higher levels of intelligence. 

As a consequence the questions asked are a little sharper…

Parma 

The standing of this board is commendably elevated by this discussion.

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They’ve done a survey asking for opinions! I either caused it (yeah right) or have to retract my statement! 
 

I’ll be VERY interested to see what comes of the survey in future articles and whether the club are asked to comment in any of the questions. 

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52 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Good posts from Taiwan and Parma. I have made the point before that the only truly great attacking player I can think of who made a top-class manager was Cruyff, who was indeed brought up in the world of Total Football.

The question of intelligence intelligence versus sporting intelligence is interesting. I can think of one cricketer who by all accounts was academically very unremarkable, and left school at 15 or 16, but had the sporting intelligence to make the most of his fairly limited ability to end up playing for England.

And he proved to be a tactically very astute captain of one of the best First-Class county sides. Which is not an easy gig. Rooney looks like he might be a bit of a footballing equivalent as a manager.

PS. "Spitballing"? O tempora, o mores, o Parma...🤓

‘….più in alto siamo messi, più umilmente dovremmo camminare….’

Parma 

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7 minutes ago, SwearyCanary said:

They’ve done a survey asking for opinions! I either caused it (yeah right) or have to retract my statement! 
 

I’ll be VERY interested to see what comes of the survey in future articles and whether the club are asked to comment in any of the questions. 

Keep your head down SwearyCanary apparently there gunning for you. The sh!t could soon hit the Fan.

Maybe you take some time off and do some mountain climbing. I'll have a whip round for you to get the required finances so you can F*ck off up Everest out the way. That way you can't really cause any more damage. Good luck in your future ventures. Sorry you've blown it here. Take as much time out as you need. We will survive. 🕷🤣

 

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