VAR Again (again again again)

[canarydan23 4,748]

8 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Referees will always be 'woeful', because the human brain is programmed to remember negative outcomes more than positive ones. Football has done nothing to change the culture that the referee is a w*nker, and as a result it's acceptable for us to pile on them at every turn. It's the level of scrutiny of every single decision that means referees will never be seen as 'good enough', unless we give the on-field referee absolute power, mic them up, and give them carte blanche to discipline anyone who gives them dissent. It'd be chaos for a few weeks and we'd end up with eight-a-side, but sooner or later you'd find players pulling their team-mates away from referees, and fans understanding how and why refs reach the decisions they do.

What we have at the moment is closed ranks at PGMOL, unwavering support of referees from the 'powers that be' irrespective of how bad they are, a VAR system that encourages intense scrutiny of minutiae, no referee being willing (or being permitted?) to show human qualities and explain their decisions, and supporters being in no way dissuaded from piling on the officials at every opportunity. The whole thing is f*cked.

I would have been inclined to agree with you before VAR. But as we're seeing, the same referees who we deemed woeful because we only remember the negative, are still making errors even when they have the benefit of freeze-framed replays.

So we were either right about them being woeful, or they are being instructed to deliberately get things wrong. I'm not sure which is more palatable. Either way, they've proven themselves unfit to officiate football matches.

An NFL flag system is what's needed, take the power out of those who have demonstrated their unfitness to officiate. The coach can challenge a play if they feel a mistake has been made in real-time, and refer it to an independent panel of individuals who are completely detached from the corrupt/incompetent (delete based on your opinion, but it is one of them) official in the middle of the park, so they're not marking their own homework. Get your challenge wrong and that's it for the half.

So simple, yet it requires sycophantic morons to relinquish their power to manipulate results, so it's a pipe dream.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

2 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

I would have been inclined to agree with you before VAR. But as we're seeing, the same referees who we deemed woeful because we only remember the negative, are still making errors even when they have the benefit of freeze-framed replays.

So we were either right about them being woeful, or they are being instructed to deliberately get things wrong. I'm not sure which is more palatable. Either way, they've proven themselves unfit to officiate football matches.

An NFL flag system is what's needed, take the power out of those who have demonstrated their unfitness to officiate. The coach can challenge a play if they feel a mistake has been made in real-time, and refer it to an independent panel of individuals who are completely detached from the corrupt/incompetent (delete based on your opinion, but it is one of them) official in the middle of the park, so they're not marking their own homework. Get your challenge wrong and that's it for the half.

So simple, yet it requires sycophantic morons to relinquish their power to manipulate results, so it's a pipe dream.

Can't disagree with any of that. It's a total f*cking bleak-out, isn't it?

[canarydan23 4,748]

3 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

Can't disagree with any of that. It's a total f*cking bleak-out, isn't it?

Really turned me off football. If it wasn't for the occasional trips with my boy when one of my old man or father-in-law can't go, or for the pre-match pub trip, I'd have knocked this crap on the head. It's not a sport anymore. I know people say it on here with their tongue-in-cheek, but if the option presented itself to win the Championship and defend our title, I'd take it in a heartbeat. As long as the stadium stayed 90% plus full, then I'd enjoy that infinitely more than a season in the EPL, even one that involves us finishing 17th or above.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

12 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Really turned me off football. If it wasn't for the occasional trips with my boy when one of my old man or father-in-law can't go, or for the pre-match pub trip, I'd have knocked this crap on the head. It's not a sport anymore. I know people say it on here with their tongue-in-cheek, but if the option presented itself to win the Championship and defend our title, I'd take it in a heartbeat. As long as the stadium stayed 90% plus full, then I'd enjoy that infinitely more than a season in the EPL, even one that involves us finishing 17th or above.

The way I feel at the moment, I think I'd probably agree with you. At least Jamie O'Hara would be happy if we declined our place in the PL, anyway 😉

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

Didnt see the Ayling one, but thats a red for me. Challenge from behind, two-footed, nowhere near the ball, take your pick for reason

[Greavsy 2,629]

1 hour ago, Jim Smith said:

They are supposedly bringing in “var light” in the championship aren’t they? Imagine how bad that could be with even worse refs!

https://www.joe.co.uk/sport/efl-wsl-to-discuss-using-var-light-with-no-offside-lines-318067

 

[dylanisabaddog 6,107]

4 hours ago, Jim Smith said:

I agree and what concerns me is it was (or appeared to be) a super slo mo of just the point of impact. Which is deceptive as you get no context. Because of it people say “oh he trod on his leg” but if you watch back the longer replay or the real time replay you see that it happens because Ayling lunges in. You can’t tell the force or the direction of movement accurately from these super slow mos. But they seem to be selected by the VAR official to make the ref change his mind. 

Quite right. I agreed with your post the other day. The ref in that game had 5 or 6 major decisions to make and got them all wrong. 

[wcorkcanary 4,746]

19 hours ago, Feedthewolf said:

The way I feel at the moment, I think I'd probably agree with you. At least Jamie O'Hara would be happy if we declined our place in the PL, anyway 😉

Which , from my point of view is a very good reason to get back up again and make that smarmy shoite eat his words.  

Footy never ' ends ' as such,  only matches and seasons.  

Someone made the point in another thread that we shouldn't play any loans etc and treat the  rest  of the season as early prep for next. I'd be happy enough with that if everyone accepted that our results may well get worse, wouldn't bother Me, but it may some.