rock bus 851 Posted March 13, 2022 Why has our ‘star’ signing disappeared from the squad? I know few weeks ago there was comment from Smith re loss of confidence but how on earth is omitting him from squad going to help? Especially a squad that apart from Rashica and Rowe has no creative outlet at all. My confidence would disappear if I was not being selected ahead of Placheta, Sargent and Dowel! have the pink un journalist challenged smith on this (not likely as they challenge about as well as McLean and Gilmour!) or has it just been on pink un+? We’re relegated now so if he genuinely is one for the future let’s get him involved now and playing. At least if we spend these last few games getting him use to the English game then he might come good next season. we should use remaining games to prepare for the championship. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carn 71 Posted March 13, 2022 He's unbelievably crap and a waste of money that's why Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,410 Posted March 13, 2022 Assisted in the u23s a day or 2 ago. Assume we don't want to tarnish him further and will be reintroducing him next season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,716 Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, KeiranShikari said: Assisted in the u23s a day or 2 ago. Assume we don't want to tarnish him further and will be reintroducing him next season. Him on on wing and Rowe on the other. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coneys Knee 953 Posted March 13, 2022 He’s nowhere near the squad because unbelievably he isn’t good enough to dislodge any of this lot from the squad. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,231 Posted March 13, 2022 He is fcuking crap, not what we wanted and a total waste of money which could have been spent elsewhere. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,410 Posted March 13, 2022 I'd say he's a young player who's having to rebuild confidence after a major hurdle in his career. Probably shouldn't have fallen out with Farke, mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HertsCanary93 222 Posted March 13, 2022 Presumably off in the summer. Sounds unhappy at the club and who can blame him. 2 managers in a row haven't rated him, so I assume Deano will want him out to raise some funds for a complete rebuild. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,716 Posted March 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said: To be fair that was a Bourmouth B team Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KeiranShikari 1,410 Posted March 13, 2022 Ours also included plenty that haven't been able to get a kick. Bournemouth's B team is stronger than a decent amount of the Championship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christoph Stiepermann 1,135 Posted March 13, 2022 Even in that Bournemouth match he looks so slow! Not just raw pace but he looks like he's moving through treacle at all times, we must be the only club in this division that thinks it's a good idea to sign a winger who has no pace, he doesn't have the technique to make up for it either, you'd have to be truly exceptional to make it as a winger in this league if you're slow. Doing things differently and 'our way' is fine so long as it's smart and realistic, this one doesn't make much sense to me. On the plus side he might be good in the division below though where speed isn't as important Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 501 Posted March 13, 2022 2 minutes ago, Christoph Stiepermann said: Even in that Bournemouth match he looks so slow! Not just raw pace but he looks like he's moving through treacle at all times, we must be the only club in this division that thinks it's a good idea to sign a winger who has no pace, he doesn't have the technique to make up for it either, you'd have to be truly exceptional to make it as a winger in this league if you're slow. Doing things differently and 'our way' is fine so long as it's smart and realistic, this one doesn't make much sense to me. On the plus side he might be good in the division below though where speed isn't as important Disc you ever watch Bobby Brennan Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daisy 138 Posted March 13, 2022 We probably have to cough up some more cash if he makes another appearance. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Chelm Canary 404 Posted March 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, daisy said: We probably have to cough up some more cash if he makes another appearance. The fact he's not even getting in the squad means that could well be the case. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Christoph Stiepermann 1,135 Posted March 13, 2022 4 minutes ago, daly said: Disc you ever watch Bobby Brennan PL has changed massively in just the last 10 years. Quality not so much but players physical attributes have gone through the roof, I haven't watched that player no, I know he was an attacker (I think iirc) but if you're alluding to him being slow he'd find it hard in this current era. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,661 Posted March 13, 2022 Hes been busy playing very averagely for the u23s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,227 Posted March 13, 2022 10 minutes ago, hogesar said: Hes been busy playing very averagely for the u23s. Not like you to be so off the pace. Have a look at the match report from the Fulham game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,661 Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, sgncfc said: Not like you to be so off the pace. Have a look at the match report from the Fulham game. Yeah. He got an assist, and created another chance. But overall, he has been average at a much, much lower standard of football. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,915 Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Carn said: He's unbelievably crap and a waste of money that's why He has started, I believe, two league games. Sargent has started at least 20, probably more. He may be 'unbelievably crap', but let's at least give him a chance to show it. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,915 Posted March 13, 2022 1 hour ago, Christoph Stiepermann said: Even in that Bournemouth match he looks so slow! Not just raw pace but he looks like he's moving through treacle at all times, we must be the only club in this division that thinks it's a good idea to sign a winger who has no pace, he doesn't have the technique to make up for it either, you'd have to be truly exceptional to make it as a winger in this league if you're slow. Doing things differently and 'our way' is fine so long as it's smart and realistic, this one doesn't make much sense to me. On the plus side he might be good in the division below though where speed isn't as important In that Bournemouth match when he looked so slow, he had two assists and two goals. He got 10.0 on WhoScored. Placheta is quick. I very much doubt if he'll ever get anywhere near 10 on WhoScored. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HertsCanary93 222 Posted March 13, 2022 Just now, canarybubbles said: In that Bournemouth match when he looked so slow, he had two assists and two goals. He got 10.0 on WhoScored. Placheta is quick. I very much doubt if he'll ever get anywhere near 10 on WhoScored. Well, if WhoScored says he's perfect that settles the debate. Might has well swap his first team place with Plachetta. Personally, I'm looking more at the two managers who have been desperate for creativity and goals and both left him out. The latter putting him in the u23s. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted March 13, 2022 He may not be good enough, he may be suffering from a lack of confidence and he may not want to be here. But he showed enough against Bournemouth reserves to tell me that he offers more than Placheta. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 319 Posted March 13, 2022 Yes lets sell him we will easily get the £10m back. Oh no we won't have to beg the Greeks to take him off their hands and might even need to pay them to take him. Where he is coached by proper coaches he may well be the player Webber believed him to be. Best solution might be to arrange loan back to Greece for a couple of years to allow Tzolis to grow and develop. We signed him too early so we could afford the fee, expected to be superstar. Not a superstar but not managed properly. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted March 13, 2022 Good grief, what a lot of sour nonsense. A promising young lad, full of confidence comes to a new country, to a team that is going to be struggling in the PL, loses that confidence, probably homesick and has to take a backward step to regroup and work on his game. Next season - if he stays - will likely be a different story - a chance to have a break, get fitter, get his mojo back and settle to the task in the championship where he will have a little more time to work his magic. Give him a break, even Vrancic took a few months to show his full range of skills. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted March 13, 2022 3 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Good grief, what a lot of sour nonsense. A promising young lad, full of confidence comes to a new country, to a team that is going to be struggling in the PL, loses that confidence, probably homesick and has to take a backward step to regroup and work on his game. Next season - if he stays - will likely be a different story - a chance to have a break, get fitter, get his mojo back and settle to the task in the championship where he will have a little more time to work his magic. Give him a break, even Vrancic took a few months to show his full range of skills. Sensible buy for the premiership then... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted March 13, 2022 1 minute ago, Kenny Foggo said: Sensible buy for the premiership then... Was always one for the future....we were told that at the very beginning. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,915 Posted March 13, 2022 I'm not arguing he's a wonderkid in waiting. Maybe the detractors are right and he's crap. All I'm saying is give him a fair chance, the kind of chance that Sargent and Placheta have had. Since we're effectively relegated, what is there to lose? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,231 Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Was always one for the future....we were told that at the very beginning. No we weren’t, this is complete revisionism. We were told he had huge potential, that’s different. Farke literally talked him up as one of the most exciting talents in his age group in Europe. If you think we spent circa 10 million on a player we expected to have zero impact on our season your kidding yourself. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samwam27 527 Posted March 13, 2022 7 minutes ago, Monty13 said: No we weren’t, this is complete revisionism. We were told he had huge potential, that’s different. Farke literally talked him up as one of the most exciting talents in his age group in Europe. If you think we spent circa 10 million on a player we expected to have zero impact on our season your kidding yourself. He's 19 and many players in new countries take time to adjust in first season. Sargent has offered "very little" this season and has been given plenty of chances. Placheta has been here a few season now, and I still feel he offers very little (no point being quick if you haven't got a good footballing head or delivery) What did Cantwell (a £30m player) offer us this season? Next season is a clean break, fresh pre-season. I think we need to write off this season and sees if he comes back stronger next season 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites