The differece between Farke and Smith

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

Remember when Farke earlier this season went on about matches against big teams being write offs that he told the team to go into not expecting to win? Now compare..

 

[Mengo 852]

Clocked that yesterday cc . Night and day. Just another game and he's correct. Ffs the players before were going out expecting to be thumped. Bulls(hit) before.

Mind you I'm shi**ing myself just now🥵

Edited February 9, 2022 by Mengo

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

Yep, this pessimism is exactly why Farke had to go.

He didn't believe in the players and therefore they didn't believe in themselves.

Farke is, frankly, not an elite level manager.

[Making Plans 957]

The difference was there for all to see tonight.

Just a shame we didn't have the bottle to get rid of Farke 2 seasons ago, or earlier this season, when both times it was obvious that he couldn't cut it in the PL.

Edited February 9, 2022 by Making Plans

[The Great Mass Debater 1,202]

Im surprised Smith didnt fancy making a few additions to the squad, even though he says it is bloated. I imagine one of the conditions of the job was that there was no money in January and Smith accepted that condition

[Worthy Nigelton 1,299]

Agree 100% with this. Farke did himself no favours with all that talk.

[yellowrider120 917]

2 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Yep, this pessimism is exactly why Farke had to go.

He didn't believe in the players and therefore they didn't believe in themselves.

Farke is, frankly, not an elite level manager.

Which is exactly why (contrary to all the froth on here that he would 'manage in the Champions League') he has ended up managing a Russian club on the Crimean front!

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

2 minutes ago, yellowrider120 said:

Which is exactly why (contrary to all the froth on here that he would 'manage in the Champions League') he has ended up managing a Russian club on the Crimean front!

Probably on top wonga to be fair, he's gone to sort out his financial future hasn't he, don't blame him at all. 

 

Edited February 9, 2022 by TeemuVanBasten

[astro 423]

They are two totally different beasts. Farke tried to keep us up with his brand of passing and possession football, Smith is trying to keep us up with his brand of English up and at ‘em football. Whilst I sincerely hope Smith pulls it off, I’m sure I’m not the only poster on here who wishes Farke’s brand of football could’ve come good. I’m sure we will see Farke reach some dizzy heights before he becomes old hat. 

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

No doubt whatsoever we would have got nothing from this game under Farke. It was a tough watch, but a point is a point.

[ScaryCanary 0]

1 hour ago, yellowrider120 said:

Which is exactly why (contrary to all the froth on here that he would 'manage in the Champions League') he has ended up managing a Russian club on the Crimean front!

He's not elite but he could definitely come back to the championship/EFL as a promotion specialist.

[Six Pack 105]

Massive tactical  error by Smith today at halftime. With the team conceding 75% of the ball in the first half he needed to bring on Normann for Placheta at the start of the 2nd half. Not that Placheta was doing badly - we needed the extra body in the centre to even up the possession states. For him to fail to see that is unforgivable for a Prem Head coach - he continued with a failing tactic that wasn't working and Palace were going to score eventually. We could have held on for all 3 points if he'd just made the change !

[astro 423]

1 minute ago, Six Pack said:

Massive tactical  error by Smith today at halftime. With the team conceding 75% of the ball in the first half he needed to bring on Normann for Placheta at the start of the 2nd half. Not that Placheta was doing badly - we needed the extra body in the centre to even up the possession states. For him to fail to see that is unforgivable for a Prem Head coach - he continued with a failing tactic that wasn't working and Palace were going to score eventually. We could have held on for all 3 points if he'd just made the change !

I agree we needed a change but I thought Norman looked terribly short of match fitness when he did finally come on. Gilmour wasn’t the answer and he may have been better putting Byram in there to add some more bite. A shame Rupp and Sargent were unavailable. 

[sgncfc 1,330]

We actually missed Sargent more than anyone. It meant we couldn't operate anything against their out ball. Defensively we were superb tonight - again. We just need to add a bit more going forward - Normann and Gilmour can do that when match fit instead of PLM/Maclean, both of whom tired badly in the second half but both of whom were very good in the first.

Placheta didn't close Zaha down quickly enough for the goal - even though it was still a worldie, he shouldn't have got the shot away - but that was pretty much the only error.

At least teams have to work to score against us now.

[mrD66M 149]

2 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Which is exactly why (contrary to all the froth on here that he would 'manage in the Champions League') he has ended up managing a Russian club on the Crimean front!

Krasnodar has been in CL recently..

[hogesar 10,762]

8 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

Which is exactly why (contrary to all the froth on here that he would 'manage in the Champions League') he has ended up managing a Russian club on the Crimean front!

Didnt Krasnador play in the Champions League this season? Every chance Farke will end up managing there...

[komakino 282]

Smith isn't perfect - who is? - but I'm far happier with him as manager than Farke. Dean will do whatever it takes to get the job done, whereas Farke was a theorist, which at the top level was a complete disaster. 

His negativity against the big clubs was completely unacceptable and a sacking offence in itself. As an employer, I would not have stood for it. It does make we wonder whether Farke was simply working his ticket? 

Although I reluctantly believe we will still go down as we will run out of games, at least with Smith we have a chance in staying up, unlike Farke, where there was absolutely none. 

Edited February 10, 2022 by komakino

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

I must admit, DF was the first coach who I have ever heard basically say before a game, we have no chance. Whether its true or not, you should not say it to the supporters. I remember going to Old Trafford in 1967 with a weakened team thinking we would get hammered, yet we won. Never say never.

Of course, Deano is going to say the positive things at a press conference. That is what we all want him to say. Everyone needs reassurance that things will get better and that is part of his job.

[canarydan23 4,761]

I certainly agree that the more positive words before a match are welcome.

But actions do speak louder than words, and there was only one team trying to win that in the second half. We were employing considerable time-wasting tactics at 1-1. I mean, maybe it feeds into what he was saying, and he genuinely does believe we can pick up points against anyone, because not getting three against Palace, in what was on paper probably our 4th most bankable win left this season, means we're likely to need to beat a big team, or pick up three points away to a bottom half side. Much tougher assignments than beating Palace at home.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

4 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

I certainly agree that the more positive words before a match are welcome.

But actions do speak louder than words, and there was only one team trying to win that in the second half. We were employing considerable time-wasting tactics at 1-1. I mean, maybe it feeds into what he was saying, and he genuinely does believe we can pick up points against anyone, because not getting three against Palace, in what was on paper probably our 4th most bankable win left this season, means we're likely to need to beat a big team, or pick up three points away to a bottom half side. Much tougher assignments than beating Palace at home.

I fear we may have to rely on other teams losing as well. The games in hand are not helping us.

[canarydan23 4,761]

11 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

I fear we may have to rely on other teams losing as well. The games in hand are not helping us.

Agreed. Which is why I was a little perplexed that we didn't go a bit gung ho or show more willing. I know Palace had us under the cosh so it would have been a risky strategy and cost us the point we had, but only getting a point may still end up costing us come May anyway, so I'd have rolled the dice.

[Danke bitte 1,154]

19 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Agreed. Which is why I was a little perplexed that we didn't go a bit gung ho or show more willing. I know Palace had us under the cosh so it would have been a risky strategy and cost us the point we had, but only getting a point may still end up costing us come May anyway, so I'd have rolled the dice.

As the old saying goes, you miss 100% of chances you don’t take. 

[ged in the onion bag 961]

One of the major criticisms of DF was his stubbornness and a lack of a plan B option.....  It was all exposed with our fixtures at the start of this season... given the previous premier league campaign, he didn't learn any lessons.....

It was obvious we needed to park the bus for Liverpool and Man.City, instead we carried on playing out from the back and confidence got destroyed!    Be interesting to see how we get on the next two games but what happened last night evidenced we simply can't play out or compete on the deck with this central midfield, must hope Normann gets up to speed quickly which means minutes on the pitch... may as well be these two games to get him fitter.   McLean and Lees-Melou are simply not at the races in this league. 

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

28 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Agreed. Which is why I was a little perplexed that we didn't go a bit gung ho or show more willing. I know Palace had us under the cosh so it would have been a risky strategy and cost us the point we had, but only getting a point may still end up costing us come May anyway, so I'd have rolled the dice.

I agree, I was a bit surprised to see us winding the time down to the extent we were - particularly in the last 10/15 minutes where Palace didn't exactly have us under the cosh. The table is probably going to look a lot less kind after the next two games - with us further in the relegation zone but with the majority of teams around us having games in hand to play. Then we realistically need a win and a draw in the games versus Southampton and Brentford to stay within a shout.

Really hard to see us staying up tbh. 

[pete 371]

Couldn't play the 433 system iintroduced by Farke, lack of DM was integral when Sorensen was ignored in the role.  Farke lack of man management was proving instrumental in his downfall.

[First Wazzock 1,011]

I just hope Farke and his team are safe and out of there

[KeiranShikari 1,524]

Sorensen in back to being ignored as soon as the rest were fit shocker.

[canarydan23 4,761]

2 minutes ago, KeiranShikari said:

Sorensen in back to being ignored as soon as the rest were fit shocker.

It's really weird. Does he not train well? Other than 1, maybe 2, slightly dodgy performances, he's done a cracking job whenever called up on, more often than not in an unfamilar position, yet two managers have now favoured pretty weak midfielders over him. McLean consistently being picked ahead of him by both Farke and Smith is baffling, but Gilmour? I'm not sure I'll ever understand that.

Edited February 24, 2022 by canarydan23

[shefcanary 2,950]

Sorenson is a quiet unassuming lad who just gets on with the job.  In a mid-table team I suspect he would not have a problem getting into a starting line up.  But you can just hear the manager of a relegation threatened or promotion chase side asking for "character's" to push his side on, having an impact on those around him. 

I personally love Sorenson's quiet, calm, assurance but suspect that doesn't encourage those around him to push on in their own performance - they tend to let him do the dirty stuff.  McLean on the other hand is good at shouting, pointing and accusing others of not pulling their weight, thus extracting a bit more performance out of them - even while he tends to **** their good work up.  

Quite a conundrum ....

[Commonsense 802]

On 09/02/2022 at 20:19, TeemuVanBasten said:

Yep, this pessimism is exactly why Farke had to go.

He didn't believe in the players and therefore they didn't believe in themselves.

Farke is, frankly, not an elite level manager.

Talk the talk. I seem to remember us winning against the previous year’s league champions when Farke was in charge during our previous PL spell. This entire thread is making me think I must have dreamt it.