Norwich City supporting LGBTQ+ History month

[nutty nigel 7,510]

1 hour ago, Kenny Foggo said:

You think Pol Pot, Stalin & North Korea define Socialism? Really.... c'mon 

I have been to Cuba(you?) and they have many things that are better than here & many that are not....it's a great place to visit. The lives of it's citizens would be greatly improved if the blockade of it's country was lifted by its huge neighbour, how doesn't want it to go it's own way.

By your thinking does that mean, as Thatcher was a big friend of Pinochet (murdered thousands) then the Conservatives are an extreme right wing military junta? You being to live in Oldham or Sunderland etc. desperate places to live.

I would suggest looking up National Socialism versus the concept of Socialism.

Anyway, this was about celebrating LGBTQ+ etc. and why some struggle with it. Each to there own I suppose..

We are individuals but too many people feel the need to put us in a box of their imagination and then basically argue with themselves.

[The Real Buh 3,423]

My statement on this is “Everyone that doesn’t support LGBTQ+ history month is gay”

work your way out of that one!

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

11 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

My statement on this is “Everyone that doesn’t support LGBTQ+ history month is gay”

work your way out of that one!

[Tzol Machine 27]

On 01/02/2022 at 07:09, cambridgeshire canary said:

https://www.canaries.co.uk/content/norwich-city-support-lgbtq-history-and-football-v-homophobias-month

 

love to see it. Will no doubt sadly draw some idiots out of hiding who clearly have never heard of Fashanu but it's always great to see the club doing these kind of awareness campaigns and long may it continue 👏

I think the idiot here is you mate

[Tzol Machine 27]

when a woman becomes a man is she also inheriting some of the toxic masculinity? 

LGBTQ+ is a bomb it does TikTok and it will self destruct it self. 

supporting such monstrosity is attack to the people, to the nations and to all our traditions as europeens. 
 

dont lose your critical thinking and self awarness

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

7 minutes ago, Tzol Machine said:

dont lose your critical thinking and self awarness

You started it  Ffs!!

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

1 hour ago, Tzol Machine said:

when a woman becomes a man is she also inheriting some of the toxic masculinity? 

LGBTQ+ is a bomb it does TikTok and it will self destruct it self. 

supporting such monstrosity is attack to the people, to the nations and to all our traditions as europeens. 
 

dont lose your critical thinking and self awarness

'supporting such monstrosity is attack to the people, to the nations and to all our traditions as europeens'

 

Nobody tell him what the Ancient Greeks and Romans enjoyed getting up to when the lads were alone together..

[cornish sam 946]

3 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

'supporting such monstrosity is attack to the people, to the nations and to all our traditions as europeens'

 

Nobody tell him what the Ancient Greeks and Romans enjoyed getting up to when the lads were alone together..

With the Greeks I don't think they even cared about being alone...

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

1 hour ago, Tzol Machine said:

when a woman becomes a man is she also inheriting some of the toxic masculinity? 

LGBTQ+ is a bomb it does TikTok and it will self destruct it self. 

supporting such monstrosity is attack to the people, to the nations and to all our traditions as europeens. 
 

dont lose your critical thinking and self awarness

Eh?

Homosexuality is a phenomenon that has been observed in many animals. Only humans seem to be homophobic though.

Why Is Same-Sex Sexual Behavior So Common in Animals? - Scientific American Blog Network

10 animal species that show how being gay is natural | All media content | DW | 02.08.2017

Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate (nationalgeographic.com)

[cornish sam 946]

Just now, TheGunnShow said:

Eh?

Homosexuality is a phenomenon that has been observed in many animals. Only humans seem to be homophobic though.

Why Is Same-Sex Sexual Behavior So Common in Animals? - Scientific American Blog Network

10 animal species that show how being gay is natural | All media content | DW | 02.08.2017

Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate (nationalgeographic.com)

Don't tell him about the ducks!

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://amp.theguardian.com/education/2005/mar/08/highereducation.research&ved=2ahUKEwj60PKF1-H1AhVFgFwKHQrhBuMQFnoECAQQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2uOn7Tyu_vFlj2BDXWpd_v

[Mackrel829 21]

11 hours ago, horsefly said:

Spot on! It is utterly absurd to claim that anti-racism isn't morally superior to racism, or that anti-homophobia isn't morally superior to homophobia. DCB's claim, "We should not claim moral superiority of our own view and look down on other people simply because we disagree with them" is both ridiculous and completely disingenuous. Some disagreements are indeed irrelevant to morality, however, racism and homophobia DO NOT fall into that category. Disagreements in these cases are fundamentally about how REAL people are treated. Toleration of bigotry and unequal treatment in these cases is not an acceptable moral option.

I think the issue is that perspectives that are often referred to as 'anti-racist' are sometimes anything but. Take one of the earlier comments in the thread, for example: 'white, straight, middle class opinions'. That's the most racist thing that's been said in this thread so far but because it's cloaked in hypothetical tolerance and compassion it's perfectly fine.

Not being anti-racist is obviously morally superior to being racist, but simply claiming that your perspective is anti-racist doesn't make it so.

[Tzol Machine 27]

8 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

'supporting such monstrosity is attack to the people, to the nations and to all our traditions as europeens'

 

Nobody tell him what the Ancient Greeks and Romans enjoyed getting up to when the lads were alone together..

My argument was more againts the TQ+ part and not so much about homosexuality, 

Also if you enjoy taking it in the bottox thats no one's business but yours i really dont give a ****, however why do we need to celebrate monsters, pedophiles and psychos who try to influence our youth? Where are the fathers, where are the mothers, uncles, aunts, cousins?? 

We pay so much taxes, our families are divided we barely see our kids because they go to school most of the day. 

But hey you know what, screw all that lets all celebrate transsexuality because that is whats missing in our lifes. 

Edited February 3, 2022 by Tzol Machine

[Tzol Machine 27]

7 hours ago, TheGunnShow said:

Eh?

Homosexuality is a phenomenon that has been observed in many animals. Only humans seem to be homophobic though.

Why Is Same-Sex Sexual Behavior So Common in Animals? - Scientific American Blog Network

10 animal species that show how being gay is natural | All media content | DW | 02.08.2017

Homosexual Activity Among Animals Stirs Debate (nationalgeographic.com)

Homophobia was relevant 15 years ago

Now we're at Heterophobia

 

Btw why would you support queers and trans people if you're gay? Isn't that counter productive?

I dont feel gay/bi people should associate with the other groups if you asked me

[andyc24_uk 58]

4 hours ago, Tzol Machine said:

Homophobia was relevant 15 years ago

Now we're at Heterophobia

 

Btw why would you support queers and trans people if you're gay? Isn't that counter productive?

I dont feel gay/bi people should associate with the other groups if you asked me

Literally nobody did, though, did they? Nobody cares about your homophobic, transphobic, bigoted and just downright moronic nonsense. Go play in traffic.

[randy.stand 38]

I don’t usually post on here, I’m a Villa fan and I generally browse some other clubs pages from time to time. Happy Deano has recently found some form for you, what a guy. Love Deano.

The reason why I wanted to post this morning was on this very topic. I read some of the comments in this thread and it saddened me to be honest. I don’t think some of you possibly realise the bigger picture and the repercussions of some of your words. 

I’m a 29 year old, gay male. A football addict. Just your usual standard guy, not camp or living up to any gay stereotypes. I’m just a bloke who is attracted to the same sex. That’s all. I’ll start with the first comment I came across in here and probably in jest but I thought I’d tell you how I felt about it. It was the comment about ‘getting drag queens on the pitch at half time’. Now that I’m assuming is in jest, and it wouldn’t hurt me, but why the need? Do we have to continuously stereotype? Why do you think all gay men enjoy that camp’ness, drag queens etc? Most Straight guys in the stadium wouldn’t enjoy that, why would you automatically think the gay supporters would?

Secondly, people saying ‘homophobia isn’t so much a problem anymore’. Your right it isn’t like it was back in the 70’s etc but I have to take issue with this. When you have homophobic attacks happening in city centres each and every week, no footballer and very limited sporting professionals feeling unable to be themselves, other countries still classifying being gay as illegal and killing people for the like, then it is still clearly a problem and just because progress has been made, it doesn’t mean people should stop fighting for equality.

And lastly I just want to share my story and feelings with you. So as I said, i’m 29. I’m a senior Nurse Matron in the NHS, from Birmingham and I adore my football. I started going to the Villa in the late 90’s and have been home & away every week for some years. When I was in my late teens I realised there was something different with me compared to others, I liked guys rather than girls. I struggled with this for so long, hated myself for it, wanted to get rid of that part of me. I didn’t feel the courage to come out to my family or friends til I was 21, even though I realised when I was 16 or so. I’m the gay world, explaining to other guys you liked football was so taboo and was a source of constant frustration for me. Obviously as life moves forward your friendship group changes and in the last few years I developed a new friendship group who I go on all the away days with. I eventually came out to them as well which was difficult but they’ve all been supportive. But the footballing arena is such a scary place to do this. The friendly lad banter you hear on the coach or on the terraces, the little remarks of ‘Your so gay’ etc- just think how that can make someone who is already fragile in their own head space feel. When you finally do come out and you get asked questions about your sex life on a coach in front of everyone else, like your a circus clown providing some entertainment. As a gay person, you come out multiple times each year as the attitude is still regarding being straight and the questions thrown at you such as ‘Have you got a girlfriend’. I am probably now at the point when I don’t care what people think or say anymore, but it’s taken such a long time to get there. You may think it isn’t an issue, but your blind sighted to it. If you was in the position, you’d hear so much more which can be deemed as poor taste.

Some people think it’s banter, but for someone who has struggled with it all, it’s much more than that. I know some of you won’t agree with me or understand me, and that’s ok. But I just ask be mindful of what you say, be mindful of who’s around you, who may be struggling inside with their sexuality, who may just want to be a normal guy going to the football who doesn’t wish for their sexuality to be judged, they just want to watch their team and have a beer. The world has evolved, football is slowly getting better but it isn’t all rosy in that garden just yet. 
 

all the best for the rest of the season and look after our Deano!

[andyc24_uk 58]

20 hours ago, Dean Coneys boots said:

How about the millions killed by pol pot, Stalin etc - the people shot by Che Gavara - who if he was right wing would be rightly condemned as a murderer not held up as a poster boy. Go ask the miserable people living in Ecuador, Cuba or North Korea what socialism is actually like to live with - that’s my answer 

Ecuador? We're talking about the same Ecuador that has a multi-party democracy and consistently ranks as one of the most pleasant, safe and stable countries in Latin America, right? The Ecuador whose population ranks above average for global happiness indicators, and which is regularly voted as the world's best country to retire to? As well as Cuba, which is only held back by US sanctions without which it would be a successful modern economy; and North Korea which is not actually socialist at all? 

[Dean Coneys boots 1,398]

Oops I meant Venezuela! 

[andyc24_uk 58]

6 minutes ago, randy.stand said:

I don’t usually post on here, I’m a Villa fan and I generally browse some other clubs pages from time to time. Happy Deano has recently found some form for you, what a guy. Love Deano.

The reason why I wanted to post this morning was on this very topic. I read some of the comments in this thread and it saddened me to be honest. I don’t think some of you possibly realise the bigger picture and the repercussions of some of your words. 

I’m a 29 year old, gay male. A football addict. Just your usual standard guy, not camp or living up to any gay stereotypes. I’m just a bloke who is attracted to the same sex. That’s all. I’ll start with the first comment I came across in here and probably in jest but I thought I’d tell you how I felt about it. It was the comment about ‘getting drag queens on the pitch at half time’. Now that I’m assuming is in jest, and it wouldn’t hurt me, but why the need? Do we have to continuously stereotype? Why do you think all gay men enjoy that camp’ness, drag queens etc? Most Straight guys in the stadium wouldn’t enjoy that, why would you automatically think the gay supporters would?

Secondly, people saying ‘homophobia isn’t so much a problem anymore’. Your right it isn’t like it was back in the 70’s etc but I have to take issue with this. When you have homophobic attacks happening in city centres each and every week, no footballer and very limited sporting professionals feeling unable to be themselves, other countries still classifying being gay as illegal and killing people for the like, then it is still clearly a problem and just because progress has been made, it doesn’t mean people should stop fighting for equality.

And lastly I just want to share my story and feelings with you. So as I said, i’m 29. I’m a senior Nurse Matron in the NHS, from Birmingham and I adore my football. I started going to the Villa in the late 90’s and have been home & away every week for some years. When I was in my late teens I realised there was something different with me compared to others, I liked guys rather than girls. I struggled with this for so long, hated myself for it, wanted to get rid of that part of me. I didn’t feel the courage to come out to my family or friends til I was 21, even though I realised when I was 16 or so. I’m the gay world, explaining to other guys you liked football was so taboo and was a source of constant frustration for me. Obviously as life moves forward your friendship group changes and in the last few years I developed a new friendship group who I go on all the away days with. I eventually came out to them as well which was difficult but they’ve all been supportive. But the footballing arena is such a scary place to do this. The friendly lad banter you hear on the coach or on the terraces, the little remarks of ‘Your so gay’ etc- just think how that can make someone who is already fragile in their own head space feel. When you finally do come out and you get asked questions about your sex life on a coach in front of everyone else, like your a circus clown providing some entertainment. As a gay person, you come out multiple times each year as the attitude is still regarding being straight and the questions thrown at you such as ‘Have you got a girlfriend’. I am probably now at the point when I don’t care what people think or say anymore, but it’s taken such a long time to get there. You may think it isn’t an issue, but your blind sighted to it. If you was in the position, you’d hear so much more which can be deemed as poor taste.

Some people think it’s banter, but for someone who has struggled with it all, it’s much more than that. I know some of you won’t agree with me or understand me, and that’s ok. But I just ask be mindful of what you say, be mindful of who’s around you, who may be struggling inside with their sexuality, who may just want to be a normal guy going to the football who doesn’t wish for their sexuality to be judged, they just want to watch their team and have a beer. The world has evolved, football is slowly getting better but it isn’t all rosy in that garden just yet. 
 

all the best for the rest of the season and look after our Deano!

Thanks for this mate, it's people like you who might actually get some of the idiots on this board to pull their head out of the 1970s and think about the consequences of their actions. Some are irredeemable at this point, but testimony from a bloke who's actually experienced this first hand will hopefully make a few change their behaviour.  Hope you Villains have a good season and Buendia starts banging in the goals for you like we know he can! 

[Uncle Fred 526]

I do still wonder if the club plan to celebrate their Anglo Saxon heterosexual fans or are the club no longer interested in the bedrock of their fan base and instead they are opting for a more woke clientele 

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

5 hours ago, Tzol Machine said:

Homophobia was relevant 15 years ago

Now we're at Heterophobia

 

Btw why would you support queers and trans people if you're gay? Isn't that counter productive?

I dont feel gay/bi people should associate with the other groups if you asked me

Please provide quality, peer-reviewed evidence of heterophobia.

Also, you'll find people are largely realising that the socially conservative notion of "family values" basically means "favour the nuclear family and screw the rest", whether homosexual, transsexual, asexual, etc.

 

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

17 minutes ago, Uncle Fred said:

I do still wonder if the club plan to celebrate their Anglo Saxon heterosexual fans or are the club no longer interested in the bedrock of their fan base and instead they are opting for a more woke clientele 

Anglo Saxons? Pffft, bunch of German invaders! it's all about the Picts and Celts nowadays who had lived here for more than a thousand years before you lot turned up😉

Edited February 3, 2022 by cambridgeshire canary

[rock bus 850]

30 minutes ago, Uncle Fred said:

I do still wonder if the club plan to celebrate their Anglo Saxon heterosexual fans or are the club no longer interested in the bedrock of their fan base and instead they are opting for a more woke clientele 

One of those statements that just makes me feel embarrassed to share the love of the club with some idiots. 

[Uncle Fred 526]

1 minute ago, rock bus said:

One of those statements that just makes me feel embarrassed to share the love of the club with some idiots. 

I feel Unrepresented and unappreciated why is that an issue with you , it’s how I feel

yes you may be a woke extremist but we all have a perspective mine is just more moderate 

[fredherring 136]

Why is casual racism against white people allowed here? 

"gammon" is a term that specifically attacks people based on their skin colour. 

If I called black Labour mp's like lammy "chocolate" how much completely justifiable outrage would be spewed? 

Racism is racism you utter thickos. 

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

2 minutes ago, fredherring said:

Why is casual racism against white people allowed here? 

"gammon" is a term that specifically attacks people based on their skin colour. 

If I called black Labour mp's like lammy "chocolate" how much completely justifiable outrage would be spewed? 

Racism is racism you utter thickos. 

Not sure why you have now hopped onto your alt, I was enjoying the normal Uncle Fred sillyness

[canarydan23 4,060]

4 minutes ago, fredherring said:

Why is casual racism against white people allowed here? 

"gammon" is a term that specifically attacks people based on their skin colour. 

If I called black Labour mp's like lammy "chocolate" how much completely justifiable outrage would be spewed? 

Racism is racism you utter thickos. 

Shut up you gammon.

[The Bristol Nest 513]

13 hours ago, Mackrel829 said:

I think the issue is that perspectives that are often referred to as 'anti-racist' are sometimes anything but. Take one of the earlier comments in the thread, for example: 'white, straight, middle class opinions'. That's the most racist thing that's been said in this thread so far but because it's cloaked in hypothetical tolerance and compassion it's perfectly fine.

Not being anti-racist is obviously morally superior to being racist, but simply claiming that your perspective is anti-racist doesn't make it so.

Can someone explain privilege to this self justifying moron?

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

1 hour ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Anglo Saxons? Pffft, bunch of German invaders! it's all about the Picts and Celts nowadays who had lived here for more than a thousand years before you lot turned up😉

You're playing handball with a haystack there Cambridgeo, youll never come across a more ignorant cretin.

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

13 minutes ago, The Bristol Nest said:

Can someone explain privilege to this self justifying moron?

It wont be seen as privilege by this moron, itll be seen as birthright.

[cornish sam 946]

43 minutes ago, fredherring said:

Why is casual racism against white people allowed here? 

"gammon" is a term that specifically attacks people based on their skin colour. 

If I called black Labour mp's like lammy "chocolate" how much completely justifiable outrage would be spewed? 

Racism is racism you utter thickos. 

Gammon doesn't specifically attack white people, it specifically targets a subset of white people, it's not racist, merely descriptive. If you went around calling all caucasions honky, that would be racist