hogesar 9,657 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Nora's Ghost said: Young boy. He has never known anything different. No, that would be the kids protesting in the picture. And I respect them more than you. At least they've tried. You've just sniped away anonymously online. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,119 Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Ward 3 said: 16 people with an average age of what? 12 🤣🤣🤣🤣 TBF, that’s one and a bit Mensa members in the lot. Edited January 9, 2022 by Nuff Said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,271 Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, hogesar said: Says the guy who claimed the kids were protesting for a new, rich owner because they didn't want to be the next Ipswich. The same Ipswich who had and now have another, new, rich owner and couldn't get close to us in the past 10 years despite all the additional finances. They are literally the anti-thesis to your point yet you used them as your example, and then called my comment moronic. You couldn't make it up, but I'm sure you'll find a way to. Are they? Who claimed that? Are you making things up, again? I mentioned Ipswich in reference to not wanting to be a League one club. Which is the direction of travel if things don't change. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,937 Posted January 9, 2022 Quite a lot of clubs with wealthy owners ran into financial issues because they did a financial version of Icarus. Bolton had a reasonably wealthy backer in Eddie Davies. Nearly landed in administration. Derby County are in administration despite being bankrolled hard for a bit by Mel Morris and his board. Ipswich did sweet FA with Marcus Evans in there. Taken Forest a few years despite a wealthy Greek bankrolling all sorts. Even Bury were pushing the boat out at a lower level and won League Two despite some players not being paid for a bit! I think it was @Indy who made an excellent point that a salary cap is what is needed in the top flight. In fact, I think it would need pairing up with the German ownership model. At the moment, the top end of the Premier League is basically the financial plaything of billionaires than a proper sporting competition. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dr Greenthumb 749 Posted January 9, 2022 5 hours ago, hogesar said: Look at the state of them. Imagine how long it took for them to figure out how to hold the banner up Posters on here said to take action, so people are taking action. I’d imagine the next picture will have more in now the word is spreading 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,657 Posted January 9, 2022 Just now, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: Are they? Who claimed that? Are you making things up, again? I mentioned Ipswich in reference to not wanting to be a League one club. Which is the direction of travel if things don't change. We've been Prem / Fighting for promotion from Champs the last ten years. Why is our direction of travel now league one? Sounds like its you making things up. Also, if you look at their Facebook group - yes its about a rich owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,271 Posted January 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, hogesar said: We've been Prem / Fighting for promotion from Champs the last ten years. Why is our direction of travel now league one? Sounds like its you making things up. Also, if you look at their Facebook group - yes its about a rich owner. You can't continue to punch above your weight. Eventually the bounce the stops...We've missed our chance to transform the club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,297 Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: You can't continue to punch above your weight. Eventually the bounce the stops...We've missed our chance to transform the club. That’s my concern, as I’ve pointed out Forest and other clubs are far wealthier, have or will have Cat 1 status, new training facilities and development of their grounds, so as we are now a top 26 club, that might be harder to sustain in our current position, we rely on premiership money or selling our assets to sustain ourselves never mind development of facilities, what happens if we can’t afford Cat 1?…..there’s at least 12 clubs richer and possibly better set up in the Championship next year. Edited January 9, 2022 by Indy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,937 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Indy said: That’s my concern, as I’ve pointed out Forest and other clubs are far wealthier, have or will have Cat 1 status, new training facilities and development of their grounds, so as we are now a top 26 club, that might be harder to sustain in our current position, we rely on premiership money or selling our assets to sustain ourselves never mind development of facilities, what happens if we can’t afford Cat 1?….. Sure, but isn't that part of the reason why we spent hard on improving our training facilities, getting the SoccerBot, improving the recovery facilities, and generally concentrating on becoming a club where youth is really given its shot if they're promising enough? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wardogz 72 Posted January 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: And yet there's a chance we'll be back in the same division next season. We've passed up too many opportunities to progress this club, and transform us into a decent EPL side. Once league parity is eventually restored between Norwich and Ipswich, which will happen in the next few years at most, there will be nothing to show for our decade of dominance, and very little between us. That's always going to be the case. We're clubs of a similar size, we're likely to spend most of our existence near them. We'd all like a few years in the prem, but the truth is, relegation will never be too far away, only 5 Prem teams have avoided it. We could have spent 5 years in the prem and still be in the same league as them next year. It's the journey that counts, and the memories. That's what we've got to show for it. Compare our highlight reels from 2010 to date with Ipswich. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr Angry 1,554 Posted January 9, 2022 The opinions of people who think we need new owners are no more or less valid than those of people who think we are fine as we are, or people who don’t give a toss about who our owners are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,271 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, TheGunnShow said: Sure, but isn't that part of the reason why we spent hard on improving our training facilities, getting the SoccerBot, improving the recovery facilities, and generally concentrating on becoming a club where youth is really given its shot if they're promising enough? The youth doesn't make you much money if your a struggling Championship club.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wardogz 72 Posted January 9, 2022 8 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: You can't continue to punch above your weight. Eventually the bounce the stops...We've missed our chance to transform the club. 🤔😂 So we've been overachieving Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,937 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: The youth doesn't make you much money if your a struggling Championship club.. Depends how promising they are. Bolton's sale of Rob Holding raised them a very tidy cash injection, but they were a financial mess at that time. I'd say if you're financially struggling there's more of a problem as then teams are really in a position to play hardball. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,297 Posted January 9, 2022 3 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Sure, but isn't that part of the reason why we spent hard on improving our training facilities, getting the SoccerBot, improving the recovery facilities, and generally concentrating on becoming a club where youth is really given its shot if they're promising enough? Indeed, but our facilities were by all accounts in a very poor state, Cat 1 costs lots to fund it, so we’re dependent on making some profits from player development sales. Where other clubs might not need to sell to sustain their youth development and build on a quality youth set up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,271 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Wardogz said: That's always going to be the case. We're clubs of a similar size, we're likely to spend most of our existence near them. We'd all like a few years in the prem, but the truth is, relegation will never be too far away, only 5 Prem teams have avoided it. We could have spent 5 years in the prem and still be in the same league as them next year. It's the journey that counts, and the memories. That's what we've got to show for it. Compare our highlight reels from 2010 to date with Ipswich. Careful. We mock them as soon as they mention history... We could have looked far more EPL when we next meet in the league though. You know, fantastic up to date stadium and facilities. We barely have that over them! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,657 Posted January 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Wardogz said: 🤔😂 So we've been overachieving There's so many holes in his argument we should just be thankful it's not a boat. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,023 Posted January 9, 2022 4 hours ago, keelansgrandad said: Freedom of speech in short supply with some people? If thats the way they feel then its up to them. Other clubs have supporters, like Newcastle, who want the owner(s) out and people agree with them. Soon as anyone dares to voice their opinion about the owners, they are young layabouts. Who have spent their money going to watch their team away from home. Freedom of speech is a two way street though, and this is a discussion board. People can protest, people can support that protest and people can criticise that protest. People have as much right to support the board/owners/Webber as those that criticise the board/owners/Webber. I would hate to see this forum taken over by any one group. Fair play to the chaps who went to the game today, particularly the one wearing shorts on a cold day. Power to the people and vive la difference........ 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,271 Posted January 9, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Wardogz said: 🤔😂 So we've been overachieving Clearly... but that overachievement stops as soon as we kick off an EPL season. Even for our low standards at the top table, we manage to embarrassingly underachieve. We've had enough opportunities to correct that, but failed to take every one of them. We we're close under McNally and Lambert, but managed to implode as soon as it looked as though we were about to cement that step. Edited January 9, 2022 by Creedence Clearwater Couto Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,297 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: Clearly... but that overachievement stops as soon as we kick off an EPL season. Even for our low standards at the top table, we manage to embarrassingly underachieve. We've had enough opportunities to correct that, but failed to take every one of them. It was nearly then under McNally and Lambert, but we managed to implode as soon as it looked as though things we're great. Actually this is a very valid point, Webber was ultra critical off the old regime of how they wasted the money and didn’t progress the club, we’re pretty much back at that point if we get relegated without automatic promotion next year! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,023 Posted January 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Mello Yello said: Then have a like-minded pro majority shareholding supporters get together and organise a 'Delia must stay' protest before and after the Everton game.....Maybe ask Neppers Tom along to give a rousing partisan speech?.... That makes no sense what so ever!! 😀. Why would you "protest" at something that "is". You would have to wait until it at least looks like Delia is leaving the club before starting a protest to keep her 😂........... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
essex canary 495 Posted January 9, 2022 How about a new Club rule that the maximum average age of the Board is twice that of the first team squad? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,271 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, essex canary said: How about a new Club rule that the maximum average age of the Board is twice that of the first team squad? Don't support that idea. We'll have Dublin and Huckerby out of retirement to comply.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,297 Posted January 9, 2022 4 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said: Don't support that idea. We'll have Dublin and Huckerby out of retirement to comply.. Far better options than recalling Hernandez & Hugill! 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mello Yello 2,289 Posted January 9, 2022 17 minutes ago, Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB said: That makes no sense what so ever!! 😀. Why would you "protest" at something that "is". You would have to wait until it at least looks like Delia is leaving the club before starting a protest to keep her 😂........... Good spot....Now give it a good squeeze.... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,974 Posted January 9, 2022 Time for a straw poll perhaps? Lots who normally sit on the fence may swing the vote. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Faded Jaded Semi Plastic SOB 1,023 Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Kenny Foggo said: Its not a opinion. If you don't have a premiership budget you won't be competitive. The budget our current owners have us working with 100% means we have reached the ceiling of their ambitions. Plenty of experts to tell you this is the case. 🤔😳 Please don't take this as support of Delia/Webber and the Board, it is not.....but......if all 20 Premier League clubs are owned by billionaires what then?............. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, Mr Angry said: The opinions of people who think we need new owners are no more or less valid than those of people who think we are fine as we are, or people who don’t give a toss about who our owners are. Absolutely, unfortunately if you criticise the owners and suggest that a sensible level of investment is needed you are: A) subjected to abuse / told you are thick. B) Told "why don't you buy it". C) called a binner D) Told to go support another team E) Quoted Bolton, Portsmouth. Zzzzz F) Told we are the only club in Great Britain no one wants to buy / invest in. G) Patronised..use of pointless smiley face a must. Mightly boring... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted January 9, 2022 1 hour ago, essex canary said: How about a new Club rule that the maximum average age of the Board is twice that of the first team squad? I thought it was wealth that defined a successful board. Any billionaires over 50 aren't wanted here... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nutty nigel 7,528 Posted January 9, 2022 1 minute ago, Kenny Foggo said: Absolutely, unfortunately if you criticise the owners and suggest that a sensible level of investment is needed you are: A) subjected to abuse / told you are thick. B) Told "why don't you buy it". C) called a binner D) Told to go support another team E) Quoted Bolton, Portsmouth. Zzzzz F) Told we are the only club in Great Britain no one wants to buy / invest in. G) Patronised..use of pointless smiley face a must. Mightly boring... And if you don't agree with this criticism you are treated with absolute respect.... Yeah right. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
