Net Worth of Owners

[CirclePoint 200]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs

Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

 

[Satriales 637]

The figures on that list are crazy! Even L1 and L2 there are billionaire owners. Surely we are a more attractive purchase than a club such as Barnsley!?

[NFN FC 1,123]

This is why we have the model that we have. With owners this 'poor', we are punchin'. They've got a little less than the owners of Mansfield town

[TIL 1010 4,738]

This forum is a depressing experience this afternoon what with this and the thread about Southampton.

[Samwam27 527]

That is depressing reading, and shows just how small, little ole Norwich really are. Jeepers even most owners in L2 are wealthier than S&J

[DraytonBoy 147]

There isn't always a correlation between owners wealth and success on the pitch, Barnsley's owners have a combined wealth double that of both Liverpool and Man Utd yet they're likely to be in L1 next season. 

[Commonsense 621]

1 hour ago, CirclePoint said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs

Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

 

All those billionaire owners in the championship and league 1. Many on here would assume they should all be in the premier league. Maybe we have been doing things correctly.

[Commonsense 621]

41 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

This forum is a depressing experience this afternoon what with this and the thread about Southampton.

This afternoon. All bloody season!!

[Top corner 228]

The Newcastle owners have probably lost more money down the back of their sofas, than what our owners have in their bank accounts  

[ged in the onion bag 855]

That just confirms that you lot screaming for money are clueless.     We could have investors with billions and it may not make any difference, could even be worse.    

Suggests these billionaire owners aren't actually very good at running football clubs - do we want that?

Suggests these wealthy owners have loads a dosh but don't put it into the clubs - do we want that?   

What's Vincent Tan's fortune done for Cardiff?    Gibsons Millions doing for Middlesborough?      

You're all in dreamland!!!!    This serves to confirm that rich investors means diddly!   

Looking at that list, suggests our owners have done a brilliant job.   

Edited January 4, 2022 by ged in the onion bag

[Petriix 2,835]

32 minutes ago, Samwam27 said:

That is depressing reading, and shows just how small, little ole Norwich really are. Jeepers even most owners in L2 are wealthier than S&J

No, it's not depressing at all to realise that we've been far more successful than our finances would dictate. Quite the opposite. 

What it does highlight is that richer owners doesn't directly translate to greater success. So rather than banging on about getting rid of Delia, people could be more pragmatic about solutions to our issues within our means.

It's why, the more this season goes on, the more I regret the vast sums of money we spent in the summer. 

[ged in the onion bag 855]

Oh of course, you want someone's money and then assurances they will run the club well.   Classic cake and eat it!!!!

[ged in the onion bag 855]

2 minutes ago, Petriix said:

No, it's not depressing at all to realise that we've been far more successful than our finances would dictate. Quite the opposite. 

What it does highlight is that richer owners doesn't directly translate to greater success. So rather than banging on about getting rid of Delia, people could be more pragmatic about solutions to our issues within our means.

Someone gets it!

[Making Plans 936]

We are punching above our weight and have been for years.

However, we've had more good times than a lot of Clubs with richer owners can only dream of.

Some you win, some you lose but overall I'd rather be a supporter of NCFC than Mansfield, Barnsley and even Southampton

[canarydan23 4,060]

That list actually makes me quite proud.

[Badger 2,405]

The league table would look like this if combined Net Worth was a key determinant in determining League success.

At the top - Newcastle champions; QPR Champions league; Fulham, Barnsley, Wolves and Stoke fighting for Europa league places

At the bottom, Spurs and Man Utd ill be threatened with relegation but have just avoid getting drawn in, whilst Liverpool and Everton battle it out to retain their Premiership place. Ultimately, Everton would go down along with Salford and West Brom.

Bristol, Sunderland and Preston North End promoted but will be the new Yo Yo clubs.

Newcastle United	$430B	1
Manchester City	$20B[25]	2
Queens Park Rangers	$15.5B[65][66]	3
Chelsea	$14.6B[12]	4
Arsenal	$10.7B[3]	5
Aston Villa	$9.9B[5][6]	6
Stoke City	$9.4B[72][73]	7
Wolverhampton Wanderers	$9.14B[37][38][39]	8
Barnsley	$9.1B[42]	9
Fulham	$7.9B[54]	10
Crystal Palace	$5.7B[13]	11
Leicester City	$7.7B[22]	12
West Ham United	$5.6B[35]	13
Tottenham Hotspur	$4.9B[31]	14
Manchester United	$4.7B[27]	15
Leeds United	$4B[19][20]	16
Liverpool	$3.6B[24]	17
Everton	$2.9B[15]	18
Salford City	$2.9B[99]	19
West Bromwich Albion	$2.8B[76]	20
Bristol City	$2.6B[47]	21
Sunderland	$2B[90]	22
Preston North End	$1.4B[62]	23
Brighton & Hove Albion	$1.3B[9]	24
Portsmouth	$1B[85]	25

[Naturalcynic 629]

43 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

That just confirms that you lot screaming for money are clueless.     We could have investors with billions and it may not make any difference, could even be worse.    

Suggests these billionaire owners aren't actually very good at running football clubs - do we want that?

Suggests these wealthy owners have loads a dosh but don't put it into the clubs - do we want that?   

What's Vincent Tan's fortune done for Cardiff?    Gibsons Millions doing for Middlesborough?      

You're all in dreamland!!!!    This serves to confirm that rich investors means diddly!   

Looking at that list, suggests our owners have done a brilliant job.   

Yes, money is no guarantee of success. But sadly no money is a guarantee of failure.

[cornish sam 953]

2 hours ago, CirclePoint said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs

Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

 

I've posted this link a couple of times before, normally followed by the fact that only Shrewsbury and Carlisle have owners with a net worth listed lower than ours. There are a few unlisted who would also fall into that category (e.g. Exeter). But it really does emphasise what an exceptional job we have been doing and how we should be proud of the club and owners, not just looking at the grass on the other side....

[Badger 2,405]

2 hours ago, TIL 1010 said:

This forum is a depressing experience this afternoon what with this and the thread about Southampton.

But at least we can enjoy the fact that Southampton will be relegated now that they have replaced their £2.5 billion owner with someone that is only worth one billion. Halving the wealth of their owner must surely lead to relegation!

[ged in the onion bag 855]

41 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Yes, money is no guarantee of success. But sadly no money is a guarantee of failure.

...but did you not read that list, are you not aware we are 20th in the 92 professional club pecking order and definitely not failing.... going through a difficult time at the minute, could do better even but certainly not failing in the whole scheme of things!    Rational people would certainly argue we are doing rather well in the circumstances.  

 

[Naturalcynic 629]

6 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

...but did you not read that list, are you not aware we are 20th in the 92 professional club pecking order and definitely not failing.... going through a difficult time at the minute, could do better even but certainly not failing in the whole scheme of things!    Rational people would certainly argue we are doing rather well in the circumstances.  

 

Yes, we’ve definitely been punching well above our weight, but please tell me how many clubs above us in the league are poorer.  We’ve reached our ceiling, and it’s demoralising.

[corbs 147]

Salient original points. By for me it suggests how our owners have had a deep sense of ambition allied to self belief.
 

Ive no doubt at some stage we will hand (back) control to a wealthy probably global company, but when it all comes down, I won’t be around. 

[glory.win or die. 270]

3 hours ago, CirclePoint said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs

Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

 

It would be interesting to compare that to club finances

 

I suspect we would be quite high in comparison 

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

The league table would look like this if combined Net Worth was a key determinant in determining League success.

At the top - Newcastle champions; QPR Champions league; Fulham, Barnsley, Wolves and Stoke fighting for Europa league places

At the bottom, Spurs and Man Utd ill be threatened with relegation but have just avoid getting drawn in, whilst Liverpool and Everton battle it out to retain their Premiership place. Ultimately, Everton would go down along with Salford and West Brom.

Bristol, Sunderland and Preston North End promoted but will be the new Yo Yo clubs.

Newcastle United	$430B	1
Manchester City	$20B[25]	2
Queens Park Rangers	$15.5B[65][66]	3
Chelsea	$14.6B[12]	4
Arsenal	$10.7B[3]	5
Aston Villa	$9.9B[5][6]	6
Stoke City	$9.4B[72][73]	7
Wolverhampton Wanderers	$9.14B[37][38][39]	8
Barnsley	$9.1B[42]	9
Fulham	$7.9B[54]	10
Crystal Palace	$5.7B[13]	11
Leicester City	$7.7B[22]	12
West Ham United	$5.6B[35]	13
Tottenham Hotspur	$4.9B[31]	14
Manchester United	$4.7B[27]	15
Leeds United	$4B[19][20]	16
Liverpool	$3.6B[24]	17
Everton	$2.9B[15]	18
Salford City	$2.9B[99]	19
West Bromwich Albion	$2.8B[76]	20
Bristol City	$2.6B[47]	21
Sunderland	$2B[90]	22
Preston North End	$1.4B[62]	23
Brighton & Hove Albion	$1.3B[9]	24
Portsmouth	$1B[85]	25

Thanks for the table Badger.

Interestingly, 15 of those clubs are currently in the Premier League and two of them were last season. So the money does appear to be an important factor, in the majority of cases. Obviously, there are many other factors at play.

OTBC

[ged in the onion bag 855]

41 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Yes, we’ve definitely been punching well above our weight, but please tell me how many clubs above us in the league are poorer.  We’ve reached our ceiling, and it’s demoralising.

We haven't reached our ceiling..... maybe for the time being but we have to try again.    Yes it's demorallising, sometimes embarrassing but our fans have all gone a tad hysterical....

We need to do things better, for example, scouting, how on earth we spent money on Hugill and Sargent needs to be investigated and cut out.   We can do that better.... but ultimately all our current problems and lack of competitiveness comes down to one fundamental position.   After relegation we did not get any defensive midfielders and develop them in the championship... that was a major error then, it was in the summer again and it may be this window.... they have to wake up and sort that..... We developed a Spurs player instead and played McLean who proved his inadequacy last time out, we didn't give Sorensen a chance so he has no experience, those are lessons need learning.    We have to develop players in the Championship for the Premier League, simple as that, we can't have the Skipp's and Pukki's playing every minute as we need other players to get experience, contribute and then be better prepared as a squad (more players with experience) when / if we get promoted.    We simply can't loan players for a Championship campaign as we need to prepare a squad.    The fact is we've been promoted twice when both times the squad wasn't ready for promotion.   

For now though we need to sign two players (CDM) of power and athleticism with some ability to work on but whilst working on that and gaining experience, ideally these players can offer us the guile, determination, defensive output and added insurance we currently miss to get us competitive at least.   Those would perhaps not be too expensive.    

To my mind, we sort out the defensive midfield, get ourselves a solid base there and the rest might just start to work.  I.e. getting more players further forward so we offer attacking threats and unpredictability. 

As for clubs above us that are poorer, there are probably quite a few since many owners use the value of the club to obtain the investment (Man Utd).     Many are actually in significant debt.    The value of the owners has nothing to do with the value of the clubs.  Most have significant loans / creditors.   

[ged in the onion bag 855]

4 hours ago, CirclePoint said:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_owners_of_English_football_clubs

Delia & Co truly are mice at the table, both in the Premier League and the Championship.

 

Interesting table.    Is there one for how much debt each club carries?    This particular table suggests the actual wealth of owners is pretty immaterial.   

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

2 hours ago, canarydan23 said:

That list actually makes me quite proud.

Exactly!!! Fully seconded.

[aBee 151]

5 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

Interesting table.    Is there one for how much debt each club carries?    This particular table suggests the actual wealth of owners is pretty immaterial.   

Or what % of the wealth of the owners is the value of the club. If the only major business owned by a club owner is the club there’s little they can do even with borrowing even if they wanted to. 

[hertfordyellow 460]

How many billionaires have lost a load of money trying to make their club the next Man City, got fed up and lost interest?

Answer: most of the league 1 and Championship

[essex canary 496]

Is 30 million dollars enough to buy out the 150,000 or so shares in the hands of minority individual shareholders?

Their wealth never seems to move upwards in these tables from one year to the next. Either the information sources are unreliable or the quality of their financial advisers is very poor.