Norwich City report incident of racist abuse to police

[SwindonCanary 455]

Norwich City report incident of racist abuse to police - BBC Sport

[cambridgeshire canary 6,716]

''An individual has also been identified'

 

Good, prison time,big fine and a permant ban from all football stadiums should do.

[Uncle Fred 526]

I had thought the canary trust had folded but finally they have commented about something 

clearly haven’t witnessed anything else wrong with the club then 

[Badger 2,405]

It's hardly a shock that we have some racist supporters - I'm sure that every club does. However, it is disappointing that the club says it "will continue to do everything we can to eradicate all forms of unlawful discrimination from the game" whilst it tolerates the booing of players taking the knee before the game.

It would be pretty easy to identify the racists!

[bringbackchippy 51]

Pathetic do gooders!

[Naturalcynic 629]

50 minutes ago, Badger said:

It's hardly a shock that we have some racist supporters - I'm sure that every club does. However, it is disappointing that the club says it "will continue to do everything we can to eradicate all forms of unlawful discrimination from the game" whilst it tolerates the booing of players taking the knee before the game.

It would be pretty easy to identify the racists!

Highly predictable that you’d bring up that politically contentious gesture yet again.  Just worth remembering that not everyone sees it as being merely an innocent expression of opposition to discrimination, and if some wish to protest against what they see as promotion of a far-left agenda then that is their right.

[Badger 2,405]

8 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Highly predictable that you’d bring up that politically contentious gesture yet again.  Just worth remembering that not everyone sees it as being merely an innocent expression of opposition to discrimination, and if some wish to protest against what they see as promotion of a far-left agenda then that is their right.

Yes - but the people who see opposing racism as "far-left" are racists! 🤦‍♂️

[Naturalcynic 629]

1 minute ago, Badger said:

Yes - but the people who see opposing racism as "far-left" are racists! 🤦‍♂️

If all it represents is an opposition to racism, then you’d be right.  

[Newtopia 517]

2 hours ago, Badger said:

Yes - but the people who see opposing racism as "far-left" are racists! 🤦‍♂️

Btw - I totally agree with taking the knee.  I spoke with a colleague at work, and got an unexpected opinion, he is opposed to it and although right of centre he is not racist.  There is a view that taking the knee is a money making excercise and being used to profit some specific individuals / groups.  Now I happily support taking the knee, and no one has ever asked me for cash, so I can’t relate to that view, equally I respect the individuals right to see it that way.  He is conflicted, he also understands by not supporting taking of the knee he is without meaning to indirectly supporting the racists and allowing them to hide within the division.  

[Badger 2,405]

13 hours ago, Badger said:

Yes - but the people who see opposing racism as "far-left" are racists! 🤦‍♂️

That's right all the millionaire footballers etc are promoting a far-left message as they try to promote the downfall of capitalist society😣

 

[Badger 2,405]

10 hours ago, Newtopia said:

Btw - I totally agree with taking the knee.  I spoke with a colleague at work, and got an unexpected opinion, he is opposed to it and although right of centre he is not racist.  There is a view that taking the knee is a money making excercise and being used to profit some specific individuals / groups.  Now I happily support taking the knee, and no one has ever asked me for cash, so I can’t relate to that view, equally I respect the individuals right to see it that way.  He is conflicted, he also understands by not supporting taking of the knee he is without meaning to indirectly supporting the racists and allowing them to hide within the division.  

He is probably conflicted because he doesn't understand how news algorithms work providing "evidence" that supports the implied beliefs of previous viewing. I have seen similar with people who I have known for over 40 years who have produced increasingly bizarre and trivial points as "arguments" for  a particular viewpoint. It is a modern form of brainwashing.

[Newtopia 517]

6 hours ago, Badger said:

He is probably conflicted because he doesn't understand how news algorithms work providing "evidence" that supports the implied beliefs of previous viewing. I have seen similar with people who I have known for over 40 years who have produced increasingly bizarre and trivial points as "arguments" for  a particular viewpoint. It is a modern form of brainwashing.

Possibly, although he is pretty tech savvy, late 20’s.

Just sees the world differently

[Naturalcynic 629]

15 minutes ago, Newtopia said:

Possibly, although he is pretty tech savvy, late 20’s.

Just sees the world differently

Yes, some people seem to think that anyone who has a different opinion to them must have been subject to a modern form of brainwashing.

[Badger 2,405]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

Yes, some people seem to think that anyone who has a different opinion to them must have been subject to a modern form of brainwashing.

You need to understand how the algorithm works - it does only work on the right of politics, but also on the left + commercially etc. It just feeds you more and more of the things that you have shown previous interest in. Unfortunately with politics there is deliberate disinformation and some people are not sufficiently equipped to evaluate information. (No shame  in that,  not everybody has the opportunity to study at a higher level - the trouble is that there was far less popular access to deliberately fraudulent material in the past)

[Danke bitte 965]

I find booing something that’s attempting to promote some kind of tolerance and understanding is odd. Regardless of whether it’s lost it’s original impact, it’s to serve as a reminder to learn as to why it’s implemented in the first place. No one’s taking anyone else’s liberties away when players do it, so why boo? That people do falls to the individual and their unwillingness to potentially learn more. 

[Naturalcynic 629]

26 minutes ago, Badger said:

You need to understand how the algorithm works - it does only work on the right of politics, but also on the left + commercially etc. It just feeds you more and more of the things that you have shown previous interest in. Unfortunately with politics there is deliberate disinformation and some people are not sufficiently equipped to evaluate information. (No shame  in that,  not everybody has the opportunity to study at a higher level - the trouble is that there was far less popular access to deliberately fraudulent material in the past)

Patronising?  Perhaps a little.

[TheGunnShow 5,940]

12 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Patronising?  Perhaps a little.

Not at all. Is it incorrect?

[Badger 2,405]

15 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

Patronising?  Perhaps a little.

Understanding and sympathetic, I think. I reserve my anger for those that are doing the manipulation rather than those who have been manipulated. Public (and more importantly, the media's) understanding of statistics and research methods is frighteningly low!

[Naturalcynic 629]

18 minutes ago, Badger said:

Understanding and sympathetic, I think. I reserve my anger for those that are doing the manipulation rather than those who have been manipulated. Public (and more importantly, the media's) understanding of statistics and research methods is frighteningly low!

Well, of course you yourself would be equally susceptible to indoctrination from the targeted news feeds and echo chambers of which you speak.  

[Badger 2,405]

1 hour ago, Naturalcynic said:

Well, of course you yourself would be equally susceptible to indoctrination from the targeted news feeds and echo chambers of which you speak.  

Nobody has to be susceptible to echo chambers if they avoid them: it is about searching out views different to your own rather than those that just reinforce one's prejudices, although it is easier for those "of a certain age" who are less likely to obtain their news through social media. Many of us also had the benefit of free and rigorous university education which forced us to challenge our own ideas: unless you are absolutely brilliant, which unfortunately was not so in my own case, it was very difficult to obtain a good degree in Economics if you "swallowed whole" the left and right wing propaganda that was fed to us. 

[Naturalcynic 629]

2 minutes ago, Badger said:

Nobody has to be susceptible to echo chambers if they avoid them: it is about searching out views different to your own rather than those that just reinforce one's prejudices, although it is easier for those "of a certain age" who are less likely to obtain their news through social media. Many of us also had the benefit of free and rigorous university education which forced us to challenge our own ideas: unless you are absolutely brilliant, which unfortunately was not so in my own case, it was very difficult to obtain a good degree in Economics if you "swallowed whole" the left and right wing propaganda that was fed to us. 

Which is why I read my news from a range of online newspapers from The Guardian to the Daily Telegraph (I admit I no longer buy newspapers in hard copy).  In fact, other than football related comment on here, the only other site on which I give my opinions is the comments section of The Independent in order to challenge some of the ludicrously extreme views put forward by some who’s political positions seem to be further left than Stalin.

[HertsCanary93 222]

Bottom of the league and now we have a subset of fans booing taking the knee and racially abusing players. What a time to be a Norwich fan. Embarrassing.

I have the displeasure of sitting near the 'snakepit' and over the last few games the loudest noises from there are either booing the knee, abusing a Norwich player or abusing a police officer.

[Badger 2,405]

48 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said:

Which is why I read my news from a range of online newspapers from The Guardian to the Daily Telegraph (I admit I no longer buy newspapers in hard copy).  In fact, other than football related comment on here, the only other site on which I give my opinions is the comments section of The Independent in order to challenge some of the ludicrously extreme views put forward by some who’s political positions seem to be further left than Stalin.

Stalin wasn't on the left. He was a state capitalist and an imperialist.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,431]

42 minutes ago, Badger said:

Stalin wasn't on the left. He was a state capitalist and an imperialist.

Not so .

Stalin was a progressivist and anti-nationalist (internationalist). In keeping with Marxism, he annihilated the traditional societal structure of Imperial Russia: private peasantry, patriarchal family, the church, professional and ethnic communities. Most of what we associate with Real Socialism, is Stalin’s baby.

Some people point at Stalinism as an imperial version of Communism, a Red Caliphate with Moscow as its Mecca. They mention the common traits of Soviet rule and Czarism, as well as the restitution of parts of our Imperial legacy that started in the late 1930s and gained momentum toward Stalins death.

What these people fail to acknowledge is that Stalin repurposed only the parts of our Imperial past that he could use for his progressive modernization agenda. Even the restitution of Orthodoxy in the 1940s happened as a project of the secret service NKVD to increase its reach into the “apolitical” part of the population.

As a progressive and internationalist, Stalin was a true Communist—and therefore left-wing.

[Naturalcynic 629]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

Stalin wasn't on the left. He was a state capitalist and an imperialist.

Some might argue that, even though he was clearly a communist.  Others would say his actions were the result of having to face the reality of trying to implement his Marxist-Leninist system in the real world.  Many would argue that there is in reality little to choose between extreme left-wing and extreme right-wing political philosophies, although I accept that not everyone accepts that view.  In my opinion extremism of any hue, whether left, right, environmental or religious, is dangerous.

Edited December 31, 2021 by Naturalcynic

[Badger 2,405]

2 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

As a progressive and internationalist, Stalin was a true Communist—and therefore left-wing.

If it were true he might have been but unfortunately it isn't.

Far from being an anti-nationalist his whole diplomatic and foreign policy was founded on the ideas of nationalism - they were a series of states! Communists are fundamentally opposed to the concept of the state (the clue is in the name - communist is derived from commune).

Instead of transferring power to the people it was concentrated in the centre - he did not only employ the state but had a highly centralist one as well! You may be aware of the economic policy being a series of plans (5 year/ 7 year etc): again part of a centralist state planning operation, rather than left wing.

 

 

[Badger 2,405]

2 hours ago, Naturalcynic said:

Others would say his actions were the result of having to face the reality of trying to implement his Marxist-Leninist system in the real world.

People might say that, but not if they understand Marxist theory and are not politically motivated to adapt it to suit their own purposes. 

The whole point of Marxist theory is that society is due to collapse under the weight of its own inner contradictions* - the most advanced capitalist countries will collapse first. Russia was only newly capitalist in small areas of European Russia, whilst most of it was still feudal: it was the one of the last places where you would expect a communist revolution.

The UK and US are the most likely places to see communism emerge first but the timescale might be centuries rather than decades.

* Marx wrote interminably about it in some of the most abstruse text it has ever been my misfortune to read.

Convergence theory is nonsense imo but I agree with you about the dangers of extremism and any political system that ignores the will of the people, which is why some of the ways in which democracy is being undermined are deeply concerning.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,431]

1 hour ago, Badger said:

If it were true he might have been but unfortunately it isn't.

 

 

 

To be horribly honest Badger I made the whole thing up . I googled “was Stalin left wing “ and found this that I cut and paste .

I can’t think of anything more dull than pseudo- intellectual clap trap on a football forum. I have enough Brain Ache helping run a modest business, keeping relevant and appropriate governance over a highly regulated organisation without being told that people on here are from a higher academic plane . 
 

PS I went to University too. 

PPS I’m going out tonight with a few friends . I’m hoping to have a bit of a laugh . Don’t take this the wrong way, but I’m rather hoping we don’t bump into  each other . 😂

 

Edited December 31, 2021 by Graham Paddons Beard

[nutty nigel 7,533]

I didn't go to university. Hardly went to school. Got through life as a bingo calling bog cleaner. So I don't care what you well-to-dos got up to. You're just usernames on here...

😂

[Greavsy 2,413]

7 minutes ago, nutty nigel said:

I didn't go to university. Hardly went to school. Got through life as a bingo calling bog cleaner. So I don't care what you well-to-dos got up to. You're just usernames on here...

😂

Some are elite though? 

and dont forget the shareholders - and their offspring! 😉 

Happy new year to you NN!