RobJames 833 Posted December 5, 2021 He does not look a PL type player. Perhaps regular football would improve him. We don't seem to be able to produce strikers. Excellent defenders. Lewis, Godfrey, Aarons and Omobamidele, and keepers, but not much else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wings of a Sparrow 1,387 Posted December 5, 2021 1 minute ago, RobJames said: He does not look a PL type player. Perhaps regular football would improve him. We don't seem to be able to produce strikers. Excellent defenders. Lewis, Godfrey, Aarons and Omobamidele, and keepers, but not much else. I thought he looked OK and gave us a different dynamic when he came on against Newcastle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gordon Bennett 768 Posted December 5, 2021 If this is an opinion rather than a statement of fact then a question mark at the end of the thread title would be welcome. FWIW I agree if we can get somebody in to replace him. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,232 Posted December 5, 2021 Be a good move, definitely has the potential to be a top player, a decent loan spell is good. We would definitely need to get cover. Don’t really want Hugill back, stay out a WBA till the end of the season and ship him on his way! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danke bitte 965 Posted December 5, 2021 6 minutes ago, Indy said: Don’t really want Hugill back, stay out a WBA till the end of the season and ship him on his way! Considering he’s combative, had Prem experience, would probably thrive more on the types of chances we’re now creating from crosses, could he be any worse than Sargent? I don’t really know what Sargent offers more than Hugill? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,232 Posted December 5, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Danke bitte said: Considering he’s combative, had Prem experience, would probably thrive more on the types of chances we’re now creating from crosses, could he be any worse than Sargent? I don’t really know what Sargent offers more than Hugill? Dear god, really, the guy can’t cut it in the Championship…..no thanks. 3 games for West Ham doesn’t count as Premiership experience in my book. Edited December 5, 2021 by Indy 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,808 Posted December 5, 2021 Idah needs the experience so his going out on loan and Hugill coming back is something I can accept as a good move in theory. Sargent's got a better engine than Hugill and presses better, but Hugill seems to be better at actually getting on the end of crosses with his bonce. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,808 Posted December 5, 2021 30 minutes ago, RobJames said: He does not look a PL type player. Perhaps regular football would improve him. We don't seem to be able to produce strikers. Excellent defenders. Lewis, Godfrey, Aarons and Omobamidele, and keepers, but not much else. Maddison and to a lesser extent Cantwell would probably raise a case for the midfielders' union. Agree that we've not produced a top striker in yonks though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 833 Posted December 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Maddison and to a lesser extent Cantwell would probably raise a case for the midfielders' union. Agree that we've not produced a top striker in yonks though. Maddison was not from our academy. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Danke bitte 965 Posted December 5, 2021 31 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Idah needs the experience so his going out on loan and Hugill coming back is something I can accept as a good move in theory. Sargent's got a better engine than Hugill and presses better, but Hugill seems to be better at actually getting on the end of crosses with his bonce. You’re right in that Sargent is younger but he’s sooo inexperienced and is bereft of confidence in front of goal. Hugill has the experience and we’re in a relegation scrap, and we need that. What we don’t need is passengers and someone who fluffs their lines in a shooting position. If we’re not going to get a new striker in, I would rather have Hugill back and Sargent go out on loan. That’s hypothetical anyway as Idah’s the one who’s been touted away Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
priceyrice 123 Posted December 5, 2021 Never rated Hugill but still think he is a better back up option to pukki than Sargent. Idah had clearly needed a loan for the past 3 seasons to help his development. I would bring Onel back as well. Haven't seen anything which suggests our summer signings are any better than him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Bristol Nest 512 Posted December 5, 2021 11 minutes ago, priceyrice said: Never rated Hugill but still think he is a better back up option to pukki than Sargent. Idah had clearly needed a loan for the past 3 seasons to help his development. I would bring Onel back as well. Haven't seen anything which suggests our summer signings are any better than him. Rashica is a massive step up from Onel. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 833 Posted December 5, 2021 7 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Idah needs the experience so his going out on loan and Hugill coming back is something I can accept as a good move in theory. Sargent's got a better engine than Hugill and presses better, but Hugill seems to be better at actually getting on the end of crosses with his bonce. Or not as it would seem. At us, and now WBA. He has been woeful. Now reduced to sub appearances. One goal in 21 games. WBA are returning him. Probably go out on loan to a lower Championship club. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ron obvious 1,473 Posted December 5, 2021 Adam's a bit of an enigma: it's almost as if he's frightened of scoring, doesn't want the resultant attention & expectation? I don't know, but he seems to be nearly there so many times. I do think he played a pivotal part of the goal against Newcastle though, his positioning panicked their goalie into palming Gilmour's cross to Dimi. Getting himself into those sort of situations could be vital in creating chances. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,239 Posted December 5, 2021 Highly unlikely IMO. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
astro 353 Posted December 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, ron obvious said: Adam's a bit of an enigma: it's almost as if he's frightened of scoring, doesn't want the resultant attention & expectation? I don't know, but he seems to be nearly there so many times. I do think he played a pivotal part of the goal against Newcastle though, his positioning panicked their goalie into palming Gilmour's cross to Dimi. Getting himself into those sort of situations could be vital in creating chances. Yes, an enigma. He just seems to lack that predatory instinct. As does Sargent. We need someone with some hunger - Hugill is not that person imo. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curious yellow 184 Posted December 5, 2021 25 minutes ago, ron obvious said: Adam's a bit of an enigma: it's almost as if he's frightened of scoring, doesn't want the resultant attention & expectation? I don't know, but he seems to be nearly there so many times. I do think he played a pivotal part of the goal against Newcastle though, his positioning panicked their goalie into palming Gilmour's cross to Dimi. Getting himself into those sort of situations could be vital in creating chances. Also McLean's disallowed goal v Leicester. He caused Liverpool some problems in the league game. I'm not sure of the squad rules but Idah is only 20 so he is extra to the squad of 25. In view of the impact he can have we would be better off to postpone any loans till next season. I can understand Forest looking for a new striker, what a miss from Grabban at the weekend! Hugill is a Grant Holt type player, they don't like him at WBA but he could do a job in this league.  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
priceyrice 123 Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, The Bristol Nest said: Rashica is a massive step up from Onel. Suspect he may end up being, but haven't seen anything which really suggests that yet. Still no goal or assist but I will say he has improved and was getting better before his injury. I strongly believe Onel would have been better than PLM, Tzolis or Sargent against 10 man Newcastle  Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,516 Posted December 5, 2021 This thread looks a little odd now he's starting for us 😂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,808 Posted December 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said: This thread looks a little odd now he's starting for us 😂 Fair point! His performance today will say a lot. But I agree with the notion he needs regular game time. His performance today may show if he's deserved it with us, or if he needs it a division down. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,682 Posted December 5, 2021 2 hours ago, The Bristol Nest said: Rashica is a massive step up from Onel. True, but Onel is better currently than Tzolis, I don't know if Tzolis is going to go on to be the quality player he's predicted to be, but he's nowhere near right now. The first thing he needs to do is get in shape, looks like he's carrying too much 'puppy fat' to me. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted December 5, 2021 Starting today so this is definitely not happening Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kingston Yellow 211 Posted December 5, 2021 I suspect that Smith would prefer to send Josh out on loan, but won’t be allowed to undermine Sir Stuart so spectacularly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RobJames 833 Posted December 6, 2021 After watching Idah again on Sunday I am not sure a loan is what is needed. He is not a PL football, and I doubt he ever will be. Much like Connor Wickham whose game plan revolved around shoving smaller lads around. In the U23s etc. Idahs first touch lets him down. He is now at a level where his physique is not the advantage it once was. Maybe Championship, or even L1 football is his level. But it does mean we need another striker in January. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,682 Posted December 6, 2021 Why waste all our time? Try and offload permanently, he's never going to be at a level to play for us unless we end up in League 1 again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 318 Posted December 6, 2021 You want to send Idah out on loan to get more games. However the question you also need to consider who will want Adam as a striker who doesn't score or look like scoring any time soon. Forest seems to be the option but why would they believe Idah is the answer to their striking issues. Even if gets a loan move unless he scores he will not get any games. I cannot think of a championship club who will risk it, only relegation threatened teams but it is still a risk not likely to be taken. Idah's FA cup exploits seem a lifetime ago. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarybubbles 1,895 Posted December 6, 2021 On 05/12/2021 at 16:35, Kingston Yellow said: I suspect that Smith would prefer to send Josh out on loan, but won’t be allowed to undermine Sir Stuart so spectacularly. Idah would have had an assist yesterday if Pukki had put away that early chance. He started brightly, but got worse as the game went on, which is understandable since he only ever played five minute cameos under Farke. I think he deserves a match or two more and then we decide if he goes out on loan or not. As for Sargent, like you say there is no chance he will be going out on loan because it would be like announcing to the world that Webber has wasted 8m quid. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nora's Ghost 157 Posted December 6, 2021 He deserves a run after patiently waiting his turn but I don't think he is better than low Champs or League One to be honest. Â He always looks like the lights are on but there's nobody home to me and is somewhat of an off-side specialist. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tommo 51 Posted December 6, 2021 Perhaps Hugill or Idah will be used in a loan move to prize a championship striker in January. Perhaps Ben Brereton Diaz whose contract is seemingly up in the summer  Keinan Davis from Villa would also be a decent shout , certainly has some prem experience and looks a better option than what we have currently got Share this post Link to post Share on other sites