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Who would be better than Smith?

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1 minute ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

In terms of realistic appointments, who out there would you consider a better appointment than Dean Smith?

Id say 

 

Favre

O'Neill

Hodgson

Can't work out If this genuine or a joke.

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Assuming it’s not a joke:
- O’Neill about 20 years ago, maybe.  
- Hodgson is older than the hills, I thought he’d retired
- Favre is the only shout there

Knutsen would have been a huge gamble, he’s never been out of Norway (football wise) and who knows if he’d translate well to PL - in our situation imo Smith was by far the best option, a ‘known quantity’ with proven track record from L1 to PL.

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Hodgson very recently turned Palace around. That's what we're looking for.

O'Neill's last position was only 2 years ago. He is hugely experienced.

 

I still maintain experience is required for a job with this specific remit, so Id consider both of them better appointments. Even if short-term

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11 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

In terms of realistic appointments, who out there would you consider a better appointment than Dean Smith?

Id say 

 

Favre

O'Neill

Hodgson

A combined age of 207.

More youth in Jurassic Park.

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32 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

In terms of realistic appointments, who out there would you consider a better appointment than Dean Smith?

Id say 

 

Favre

O'Neill

Hodgson

Is this an audition for a last of the summer wine remake?

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24 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

Hodgson very recently turned Palace around. That's what we're looking for.

O'Neill's last position was only 2 years ago. He is hugely experienced.

 

I still maintain experience is required for a job with this specific remit, so Id consider both of them better appointments. Even if short-term

Experience? - Smith has managed over 500 games….how many does it take to qualify?!

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7 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Is this an audition for a last of the summer wine remake?

I've just had a vision of Delia Smith being pushed down a Yorkshire hill in a bath tub (on wheels) while gulping down her third bottle of Pinot Grigio.

OTBC

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23 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

How many at Premier League level? More than Farke?

Wouldn't have thought there was much in it....both had 2 full seasons, this would have been their 3rd ?

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5 minutes ago, Dixie Deehan said:

Wouldn't have thought there was much in it....both had 2 full seasons, this would have been their 3rd ?

So who is more employable do you suppose? Smith or Farke.

Farke with his 2 championship titles, millions brought into his club through the developement of academy players.

or Smith..? with what he's got...

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36 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

How many at Premier League level? More than Farke?

Yes, mainly because he didn’t get relegated.

8 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

So who is more employable do you suppose? Smith or Farke.

Farke with his 2 championship titles, millions brought into his club through the developement of academy players.

or Smith..? with what he's got...

Smith apparently.

A championship title or avoiding relegation? Which is better?

Are you really blissfully unaware of Smiths development record?

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3 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

Yes, mainly because he didn’t get relegated.

Smith apparently.

A championship title or avoiding relegation? Which is better?

Are you really blissfully unaware of Smiths development record?

I refer you to the money Smith had in terms of transfers compared to what Farke had. I dont think Farke would have been relegated at Villa with that kind of money spent

 

On promotion:

Villa £143.55m

Norwich £7.93m

 

But you're right. Farke was a disgrace for getting Norwich relegated after such investment

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1 hour ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

O'Neill's last position was only 2 years ago. He is hugely experienced.

He's a relic of the past and would be an absolute shambles of a hire.

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1 minute ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

I refer you to the money Smith had in terms of transfers compared to what Farke had. I dont think Farke would have been relegated at Villa with that kind of money spent

We will never know. As many people stated Villa had a complete rebuild that first season, very similar to what we had this season and he kept them up. They weren’t just throwing money at 2-3 high profile signings.

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3 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

We will never know. As many people stated Villa had a complete rebuild that first season, very similar to what we had this season and he kept them up. They weren’t just throwing money at 2-3 high profile signings.

£143.55m - 17th

Daniel should have kept us up with his £7.93m

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3 minutes ago, Terminally Yellow said:

He's not had a Premier League position since 2013. It's a ridiculous suggestion to make.

Because he was an international manager.

Roberto Martinez has not had a Premier League position since 2016. Would he be a ridiculous appointment?

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17 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

So who is more employable do you suppose? Smith or Farke.

Farke with his 2 championship titles, millions brought into his club through the developement of academy players.

or Smith..? with what he's got...

In English football, Smith, by miles.

Managers who keep clubs in the Premier League are much more sought after than managers with 25 points from 49 games in the Premier League.

Both of them worked their way up, Farke in Germany and Smith in England. Both have a constant history of developing young players and selling them on for the benefit of their club. Smith did his apprenticeship, if you like, at two smaller clubs before landing his dream job. And he kept improving and kept getting better.

It is, incidentally, quite barking mad to highlight Farke's two Championship titles as making him somehow better than Smith when:

1. Smith only got the Villa job in October, when they were 15th in the table - yet took them up instantly

2. The reason Farke won two titles is that we went down in the meantime - whereas Villa stayed up.

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Just now, The Great Mass Debater said:

Because he was an international manager.

Roberto Martinez has not had a Premier League position since 2016. Would he be a ridiculous appointment?

No, he was manager of Nottingham Forest last. A job in which he did disasterously.

Martinez is the current boss of one of the best international sides in the world.

It's like trying to compare a Fiat Punto with a Lotus Elise.

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2 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

Because he was an international manager.

Roberto Martinez has not had a Premier League position since 2016. Would he be a ridiculous appointment?

Comparing absolute dinosaur Martin O'Neill, who's been in decline for 17 years, with the manager of the world's number one ranked international sides and one of the best creative thinkers in the game.

I've seen it all now.

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6 minutes ago, The Great Mass Debater said:

£143.55m - 17th

Daniel should have kept us up with his £7.93m

I don’t recall saying that. 

I said he has had more PL games, because he has.

I also pointed out Smith can hardly boast a title win when he was in the division above.

You can argue Smith was in a better position to achieve what he did, because he was, doesn’t change the fact he achieved it.

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