worthy jumps on 'true supporter' bandwagon

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in keeping with ktf rhetoric worthy''s call for unity suggests the increased support from the stands on saturday came from ''true supporters'' - in the pink un article he said. "I was pleased with the atmosphere today - that is something you have got to have in grounds," said the City boss. "Tuesday night was not a pleasant situation. When your team is winning and people are booing their own players it is not nice.  "I

think there were a lot of true supporters out there today who knew the

situation, got behind their football club and helped us to our victory."sorry nigel, don''t agree with your take.  the atmosphere was deadly at the ground tuesday night, becuase that was the first time fans had seen the team perform at home since the ipswich debacle and coming on top of another unforgettable performance against hull the previous saturday.  2nd half especially, the fans rightly showed their frustration  as 10  man brighton looked most likely  to score and played the better football.  worthy sat alongside hamilton - does he really think our season has been better than hamilton''s last in charge so far in terms of results or the poor performances?on saturday, the crowd were quiet again - poor opening rendition of ''on the ball city'', but because the performance was much improved from the sunday league efforts of pervious games, the crowd naturally warmed up - there''s clearly no mileage in chanting worthy out if the side is winning and playing reasonable stuff. A true supporter wants the best for the club, and if that means holding an opinion that wants to see a change of manager then thats a legitimate position to take.  if the board is clearly running against supporter opinion, then fans can quite properly protest against their position -  it doesn''t make them ''untrue supporters'' by expressing their opinions.  should the fans have supported hamilton to the bitter end and risk our relegation? imo worthy''s rallying call is more aimed at the worthy doubter than the worthy outer.

 

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Thats all very well, but it''s the booing and protesting before and during games that''s the problem. It has an adverse effect on the teams performance, surely any true supporter wants to for use of a better word ''Support'' their team when they''re playing football? Leave any protests until the end of the match.

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Are you saying the supporters at the Brighton game were not trus supporters, but those against Derby were, sheer poppycock, any supporter who spends his hard earned is a true supporter who has every right to express his feelings anyway he wishes and without the intervention of fascists trying to curb free speech, which is what is happening by stifling debate.  NB notice what faction are trying to stop this honest debate.    

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wayne, When you pay the money we do to watch them I think we have a right to voice our opinion e.g. booing, Especially when they are paid the stupid amounts that they are. Your quiet right though we should support the team when they play football but only recently have I seen any evidence of football being played. If the players are going to give performances like they have for the past month (excluding saturday) then I will give similar performances as a supporter remember we arn''t paid to be there like they are. 

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I don''t want to stop any debate or fans expressing their feelings, it is healthy for the club for fans to do so. My point was that it is not constructive to do so during the 90 minutes that we are playing football!

[Rossi 0]

so, if i am reading this right, worthington sees his influence in the dressing room as helping the team. yeah right.

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[quote user="pete"]

Are you saying the supporters at the Brighton game were not trus supporters, but those against Derby were, sheer poppycock, any supporter who spends his hard earned is a true supporter who has every right to express his feelings anyway he wishes and without the intervention of fascists trying to curb free speech, which is what is happening by stifling debate.  NB notice what faction are trying to stop this honest debate.    

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I despair.  Try actually READING what the guy is saying, and don''t go throwing words like ''fascists'' around without having a true understanding of the word.  Come on guys - this shouldn''t be about ''factions'' - should it? 

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I am sure the "boos" will return as soon as our winning streak comes to an end

[FilletTheFishWife . 0]

having spent approx £1000 on season tickets for the family, away matches and signifcant travel expenses i consider myself a true supporter and well-positioned to judge AH, NW et al. I would never boo a player during the 90 mins but its damned hard to stifle a groan when you see the umpteenth pass go astray or the same player dispossed repeatdely. NW takes one step forward (2 wins) and then shoots himself in the foot with comments like this. Keep digging Nigel !

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imo there''s been no real worthy out protest all season during the matches and supporters have been behind the team. its clear the wall of silence during the brighton game could only be interpretted as a sign of displeasure by the crowd.  the worthy out chants during brighton match only started in the dreadful second half - in ordinary circumstances performances like this would have attracted boo''s and maybe ''what a load of rubbish'', because in truth it was.  however, in the present climate, crowd frustration was expressed as ''worthy out'' instead.  if the team play poorly, then they are likely to get crowd opinion voiced and chants expressed - fact of life - every team and manager gets it during a bad run where underpeformance and lack of commitment is perceived.  what worthy doesn''t like is that they were aimed at him and not the team.

[USAcanary 0]

What utter rubbish by Worthy.

Aagain he thinks the supporters are idiots for having an opinion.

The reason the supporters are booing is because of what is being played on the field and the results on the field.

Nothing more, nothing less.

I love it when he deflects the last two seasons results on the fact that supporters are not happy.

This is totally bogus.

We have stunk most of the season LONG BEFORE anybody started booing or chanted Worthy Out.

What should we blame those performances on?

Referees, weather, acts of God?

Its one excuse after another. Time to go.

[Syteanric 1]

never mind people.. NCISA on tthursday and a chance for fans to have their say... no doubt the press will be there.. so lets let Worthy know what we "true supporters" really think.

Go away Nigel!

jas :)

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I too think Worthingtons comments are rubbish but I base my reasoning on this; we have around 20,000 season ticket holders, a section of the ground for away supporters which must leave around 2,000 floating supporters.

Most season ticket holders were there for both Tuesday and Saturdays poor displays (true supporters) away supporters would support their team so does he think that the 2000 floating fans were true supporters. 

Sorry Mr W its you that has lost the plot not the supporters.

[MadDan 0]

It''s not difficult to see the absurdities of the anti club brigade''s arguments but if there is any doubt up pops pete to remove that doubt.

" any supporter who spends his hard earned is a true supporter "

Yeh, like the thousands who turned up at Cardiff, the thousands who appeared when we reached the Premiership and thousands who have recently discovered that they are now true supporters of Chelsea.

" and without the intervention of fascists trying to curb free speech, which is what is happening by stifling debate "

Debate might be said to be the exchange of thoughts and ideas in a constructive form. This isn''t the case with the anti club brigade. Their contribution never rises above the endless repetition of the same old bleat over and over again. If anyone has fascist tendencies it is this lot with their routine abuse and attack upon anyone who doesn''t subscribe to their simplistic approach to the running of the club. If you have actually bothered to think things through then you are branded a KTF, irrespective of what your particular angle is.

It is their view that they speak for the true fans. They don''t, they speak for themselves and themselves alone. Witness the ''thousands'' in their protest on Saturday - eight I think it was.

What pete should be demanding is not the right to speak but the right to think.

[0peteddMMyyyy0Falseen-USTrue 0]

See definition of fascism from internet:

Fascism   
noun [U]
a system based on a very powerful leader, in which opposition is not allowed

Ergo the idiots trying to stifle debate about whether Worthy out to stay peacefully demonstrating outside the ground are fascists.  Don''t know who the pwerful leader is, certainly not Worthy. 

Read the post, you probably are not a supporter like your pal Chumpski.

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[quote user="MadDan"]It''s not difficult to see the absurdities of the anti club brigade''s arguments but if there is any doubt up pops pete to remove that doubt. " any supporter who spends his hard earned is a true supporter " Yeh, like the thousands who turned up at Cardiff, the thousands who appeared when we reached the Premiership and thousands who have recently discovered that they are now true supporters of Chelsea. " and without the intervention of fascists trying to curb free speech, which is what is happening by stifling debate " Debate might be said to be the exchange of thoughts and ideas in a constructive form. This isn''t the case with the anti club brigade. Their contribution never rises above the endless repetition of the same old bleat over and over again. If anyone has fascist tendencies it is this lot with their routine abuse and attack upon anyone who doesn''t subscribe to their simplistic approach to the running of the club. If you have actually bothered to think things through then you are branded a KTF, irrespective of what your particular angle is. It is their view that they speak for the true fans. They don''t, they speak for themselves and themselves alone. Witness the ''thousands'' in their protest on Saturday - eight I think it was. What pete should be demanding is not the right to speak but the right to think.[/quote]

The Anti Club brigade eh Mad Hamilton Fan Dan....  Stop doing all them flicks and tricks huckerby!!!  keep up the inept passing 1st name on the teamsheet!!!!

[Sing up the river end 0]

I would also like to add how Craig Flemings comments after the last

game got on my nerves.For him to come out and say he didnt like 2% of

the Norwich crowd,when he himself has put in a lot lets just say under

par performances this season.Still the fans had been chanting the odd

theres only one F in Fleming.Does this mean he thinks the performances

have been acceptable in his eyes?.I am not one for boing players

dureing the game but like other posts have said some of the

performances lead you to sit there and groan a little when they cant

even string three passes together.I have seen under 8 sides pass the

ball better than we have in recent weeks.

Yes saturday was an big improvement on the dross in recent weeks.But

one decent first half display against a side that sits back and lets

you play football is not due course for anyone ie Fleming and Worthless

to start on the fans that pay good money watching there side home and

away.

Yes I am a Worthy outa and would love to be proved wrong but I just

cant see it happening.9 wins 1 draw and 1 loss in the last 11 would

give us a chance,but i fear it will all be over when we go to Palace on

saturdayand lose.

All I can say is in my mind for the sake of Fleming and Worthy coming

out with comments like that they better back up there words come 3pm on

Saturday.

[MadDan 0]

If to remove any doubt about the anti club''s stance up pops (up pops, is he anywhere else?)Paul Rankine to confirm the views.

Irrespective of having never posted anything in support of Nigel Worthington I am named (Bryan) Hamilton and aligned with some spurious statements ascribed to Nigel Worthington.

This is the nub of the argument. You can post all manner of old tosh but if anyone fails to fall in line with that narrow view you are instantly labelled pro Worthington/KTF irrespective of what other opinion you hold.

Loads of fans on here have posted that they are undecided, not bothered, just want to watch the game etc yet are routinely abused by the fanatics for not ''toeing the line''.

Maybe pete should look up the word supporter whilst he access to somebody''s dictionary.

ps as to me being a supporter I first attended a game in 1964. Doesn''t make me a better or worse supporter just refutes another predictable allegation from these fanatics.

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I dont see any anti club brigade on here - its clear that all the fans have a passion for NCFC from the extreme worthy outers, through the moderates still on the fence and those extreme KTFers - but whoever starts using such insulting terms as ''anti-club brigade'', or insulting individual players, whether doc or hughes,  shoots themselves in the foot by losing credibility, whichever viewpoint they have.

We all want the best for this club - its just that all possible solutions have their supporters; and none of us know which one is the best or evenmost likely to bring us the success we all crave.

A little more tolerance for others views please argue debate and discuss, but less insulting behavious please. 

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[quote user="MadDan"]If to remove any doubt about the anti club''s stance up pops (up pops, is he anywhere else?)Paul Rankine to confirm the views. Irrespective of having never posted anything in support of Nigel Worthington I am named (Bryan) Hamilton and aligned with some spurious statements ascribed to Nigel Worthington. This is the nub of the argument. You can post all manner of old tosh but if anyone fails to fall in line with that narrow view you are instantly labelled pro Worthington/KTF irrespective of what other opinion you hold. Loads of fans on here have posted that they are undecided, not bothered, just want to watch the game etc yet are routinely abused by the fanatics for not ''toeing the line''. Maybe pete should look up the word supporter whilst he access to somebody''s dictionary. ps as to me being a supporter I first attended a game in 1964. Doesn''t make me a better or worse supporter just refutes another predictable allegation from these fanatics.[/quote]

Actually my comments were in response to your the "Anti Club Brigade" tirade.... Yes I have a go at Andy Hughes for failing to be any good that makes me Anti Club, I certainly havent booed him but obviously others have, i just stay silent when his name is called out in the first XI....  I may well boo him in future in the hope that he has less chance of getting picked!!!

Worthy he has a go at Hucks and McVeigh after they have been an integral part of us winning the only matches we have won since november.  That makes him Anti Club in my eyes.....  In fact no it makes him a baffoon..  yeah lets all put down our best players in the press!!  that works...  Ijit

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[quote user="pete"]

See definition of fascism from internet:

Fascism   
noun [U]
a system based on a very powerful leader, in which opposition is not allowed

Ergo the idiots trying to stifle debate about whether Worthy out to stay peacefully demonstrating outside the ground are fascists.  Don''t know who the pwerful leader is, certainly not Worthy. 

Read the post, you probably are not a supporter like your pal Chumpski.

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This is hilarious - you actually got your dictionary out, found out that you didn''t understand the true meaning of the word afterall, and posted back to let me know!!!  While you''re there Pete, can you check out the dictionary definition for ''clueless''? Only joking!

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[quote user="NimChimpskee"][quote user="pete"]

See definition of fascism from internet:

Fascism   
noun [U]
a system based on a very powerful leader, in which opposition is not allowed

Ergo the idiots trying to stifle debate about whether Worthy out to stay peacefully demonstrating outside the ground are fascists.  Don''t know who the pwerful leader is, certainly not Worthy. 

Read the post, you probably are not a supporter like your pal Chumpski.

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This is hilarious - you actually got your dictionary out, found out that you didn''t understand the true meaning of the word afterall, and posted back to let me know!!!  While you''re there Pete, can you check out the dictionary definition for ''clueless''? Only joking!

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I just looked up Clueless in the dictionary and lo and behold what did I find?? A big picture of Nigel Worthington next to the entry..... [;)]

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sorry maddan - you''re living upto your name by suggesting fans who hold an opinion that the manager should move on speak only for themselves, as if they are a selfish minority.  the debate has moved on vastly from that narrow asertion as witnessed by the crowd displeasure at the brighton game.  After the call for a wall of noise by worthy, the wall of silence at that game says the majority of fans gave their response and in effect were protesting in their own way that night.to try pretend otherwise is either a severe miscalculation or denial of the obvious.  worthy & co would be wise to keep quiet at the moment, rather than trying to paint a different story of how the fans feel, and let the performances and results of the team do their talking for them.  i for one don''t appreciate being labelled an untrue supporter by worthy simply because i hold a different opinion to him and are not scared to express it.

 

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Unfortunately LGT your post only confirms what I said. You and others DO NOT speak for other fans you speak for yourselves only - as in " the majority of fans gave their response and in effect were protesting in their own way that night."

Each to their own so lets have a little less abuse diirected at those who don''t feel the need to call for Worthington to be sacked at every opportunity.

Lets rid ourselves of the hypocricy of those who bleat about not being able to say their piece about sacking Worthington whilst demanding that he shouldn''t state in public what he feels.

As to the anti club brigade I stand by this assertion. Given that the twtd board is riddled with City fan''s it''s highly unlikely that there aren''t a few on here trying to stir the pot.

Unfortunately there are also those like Paul Rankine who will claim allegiance to the club yet use any opportunity to put it in a bad light. Even the thread on here where he states that Paul McVeigh has not been offered a new contract without him having even bothered to check the facts. He previously posted up a dreadful libellous piece about the club, making all manner of unfounded claims of financial irregularities. Thankfully it was taken down pretty quickly.

Are these actions those of someone who has the best interests of the club at heart ? Are those who hope for defeats and take visible delight in City losing really in full support of the club or are they doing what serves their own personal interests (whatever they might be) ?

If you think your actions are for the greater good then fine but if those actions are no more than an expression of your petulance and frustration at the club failing to meet your demands then don''t be surprised when some fans choose to point this out.

Don''t be surprised either when other fans choose to challenge the constant posting up of ridiculous claims that seek only to show the club in a bad light.

The club should never be closed to honest criticism and close scrutiny. However posting up lies,misrepresentations and factual innaccuracies not only distorts any debate but gives the club good reason not to engage with the fans when that is all it is met with.

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agreed mad - there''s no place for misrepresentation and lies on either side of the debate.  Of course, every fan speaks for themselves but with the best interest of the club at heart.  i believe the majority of fans would prefer it if worthy went either now or the end of the season - based on my personal impressions and observations. Collectively, the wall of silence and  fan reaction at recent matches has only served to reinforce this view and i stand by it.  worthy is free to say what he likes, but my point is he''d be better served engaging with all of the fan base in a considered manner - suggesting only true fans cheered for city on saturday is imo an attempt to bring wavering supporters back on board and alienate those with an opposing opinion.  this could be unintentional on his part - which i''m happy to assume.driving a wedge between different supporter groups is not  the way to bring unity back to carra rd.  let the results do his talking now.  if by some miracle the squad makes the play-offs as a true supporter i''d love to be proved wrong.

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[quote user="MadDan"]Unfortunately LGT your post only confirms what I said. You and others DO NOT speak for other fans you speak for yourselves only - as in " the majority of fans gave their response and in effect were protesting in their own way that night." Each to their own so lets have a little less abuse diirected at those who don''t feel the need to call for Worthington to be sacked at every opportunity. Lets rid ourselves of the hypocricy of those who bleat about not being able to say their piece about sacking Worthington whilst demanding that he shouldn''t state in public what he feels. As to the anti club brigade I stand by this assertion. Given that the twtd board is riddled with City fan''s it''s highly unlikely that there aren''t a few on here trying to stir the pot. Unfortunately there are also those like Paul Rankine who will claim allegiance to the club yet use any opportunity to put it in a bad light. Even the thread on here where he states that Paul McVeigh has not been offered a new contract without him having even bothered to check the facts. He previously posted up a dreadful libellous piece about the club, making all manner of unfounded claims of financial irregularities. Thankfully it was taken down pretty quickly. Are these actions those of someone who has the best interests of the club at heart ? Are those who hope for defeats and take visible delight in City losing really in full support of the club or are they doing what serves their own personal interests (whatever they might be) ? If you think your actions are for the greater good then fine but if those actions are no more than an expression of your petulance and frustration at the club failing to meet your demands then don''t be surprised when some fans choose to point this out. Don''t be surprised either when other fans choose to challenge the constant posting up of ridiculous claims that seek only to show the club in a bad light. The club should never be closed to honest criticism and close scrutiny. However posting up lies,misrepresentations and factual innaccuracies not only distorts any debate but gives the club good reason not to engage with the fans when that is all it is met with.[/quote]

the peice about the club was a link to an article on ANOTHER canary website which I had been given and was nothing to do with me.... 

And I think you will Struggle to find any peice where I have attacked the board, i would say maybe they havbent been ambitios enough but they control the purse strings and i dont.  and i trust them to run the club well...

my ONLY gripe is withe the manager, his favoured Hoofball style, his poor signings, his anti skill attitude, and his comments about the fans.  He is a AVERAGE manager and we could be doing FAR FAR better in this department.  He picked Holt ahead of Safri last season!!  and he sees these players in training!! he has a tactical ineptness that beggars belief!!

Work Rate over skill, Running over footballing ability.  He has serious MEGSON style limitations, there arfe FAR FAR better managers available.  He needs to go NOW!!!!

[MadDan 0]

Unfortunately the lies and misrepresentation have come from one source and one source only.

The wedge is being driven by those who wish it that way.

If there is a majority opinion amongst the fans it is the acceptance that Worthington is going nowhere during this season.

I would suggest that the view held by most now is that if it is the case then lets get behind the club, the team and the manager till May. We can decide then.

However my response has not been based on what''s been going on at Carrow Road but what''s been going on on this board. Much of it from the anti club brigade has been a bloody disgrace.

They''ve made their point. If they feel that Worthington is not up to it fine. If they feel that he has not been the man for a while fine.

But lets have an end to abusing those who don''t feel that way. Lets have an end the endless posts claiming maladministration and certainly lets have an end to the gutless posters who use multiply names to post anonymous attacks upon the club and genuine City fans.

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[quote user="MadDan"]Unfortunately there are also those like Paul Rankine who will claim allegiance to the club yet use any opportunity to put it in a bad light. Even the thread on here where he states that Paul McVeigh has not been offered a new contract without him having even bothered to check the facts. He previously posted up a dreadful libellous piece about the club, making all manner of unfounded claims of financial irregularities. Thankfully it was taken down pretty quickly. [/quote]This reminds me of where my views diverge from the hardliners of the so-called "worthy out brigade", and probably those who fit into your "anti-club" category.People can say what they like about Worthy''s achievements. Call for his head if they want. But those who start calling for the heads of the board??? Now those are the views that I really struggle to relate to.... We probably have one of the most fan-friendly boards in football, and I don''t doubt for one second that they all dearly care about the success of the club, no matter what their position happens to be on the manager... Maybe they HAVE made a bad judgement call.... But they can in NO WAY be compared to the board of the Chase-Era as an increasing minority seem to be doing now. These are NOT the views of the majority... Yet some now seem to try and present them as such.My message to these people... Say what you like by all means, but NOT IN OUR NAMES!!

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[quote user="Ark"][quote user="MadDan"]

Unfortunately there are also those like Paul Rankine who will claim allegiance to the club yet use any opportunity to put it in a bad light. Even the thread on here where he states that Paul McVeigh has not been offered a new contract without him having even bothered to check the facts. He previously posted up a dreadful libellous piece about the club, making all manner of unfounded claims of financial irregularities. Thankfully it was taken down pretty quickly.

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This reminds me of where my views diverge from the hardliners of the so-called "worthy out brigade", and probably those who fit into your "anti-club" category.

People can say what they like about Worthy''s achievements. Call for his head if they want. But those who start calling for the heads of the board??? Now those are the views that I really struggle to relate to.... We probably have one of the most fan-friendly boards in football, and I don''t doubt for one second that they all dearly care about the success of the club, no matter what their position happens to be on the manager... Maybe they HAVE made a bad judgement call.... But they can in NO WAY be compared to the board of the Chase-Era as an increasing minority seem to be doing now. These are NOT the views of the majority... Yet some now seem to try and present them as such.

My message to these people... Say what you like by all means, but NOT IN OUR NAMES!!
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exactly, I find it scandolous that MadDan accuses me of being anti the board - I I would like him to find a single post where I critisize them. I want the manager out, his coaching staff and the scouts, that is all.  I may feel the board ios not very ambitious but I dont control the purse strings and I am sure they are doing their best for this club.

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[quote user="Paul Rankin"]

exactly, I find it scandolous that MadDan accuses me of being anti the board - I I would like him to find a single post where I critisize them. I want the manager out, his coaching staff and the scouts, that is all.  I may feel the board ios not very ambitious but I dont control the purse strings and I am sure they are doing their best for this club.

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Not quite what I was getting at. I tend to agree with most of MadDan''s views on this - perhaps "anti-club" is a harsh tag for the majority of those against Worthy. However, without making comment on your particular views, my beef is with those who constantly slate and misrepresent the board, whilst making out that this view is shared by the majority of fans... In particular those who endlessly accused the board of lying over the Dean Ashton sale. (What did they lie about??? His injury? That they would only sell him for "silly money"? That they didn''t release full details of the sale? Or was it because they didn''t give media updates at every stage of the private and sensitive negotiations behind the scenes?)

I honestly couldn''t undertand the motivation of these people other than to stir up unfounded hatred of the board.