Pugin 601 Posted November 12, 2021 Iwan Roberts is the latest to blame the club for the timing of the sacking. I just don't get it. The decision had been made during the week. It had to be delivered to Daniel as soon as possible. The players needed reassurance and some explanation of what was going on. Sunday was a day off and then the group split up during international week. So Stuart Webber called the players together at 10pm on Saturday at Colney to talk about it. So, what other timing would have worked? It just feels like club-bashing for tbe sake of it. In terms of impact on Daniel, the timing makes not one jot of difference. It was painful no matter when it happened. To sit on the news for hours / days would have made no sense at all. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,241 Posted November 12, 2021 100% sanity. Well said Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thumbbass 318 Posted November 12, 2021 Would we have beaten Brentford without a manager? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Satriales 629 Posted November 12, 2021 Probably didnt help that Villa tied up their business in no time at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,934 Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Pugin said: Iwan Roberts is the latest to blame the club for the timing of the sacking. I just don't get it. The decision had been made during the week. It had to be delivered to Daniel as soon as possible. The players needed reassurance and some explanation of what was going on. Sunday was a day off and then the group split up during international week. So Stuart Webber called the players together at 10pm on Saturday at Colney to talk about it. So, what other timing would have worked? It just feels like club-bashing for tbe sake of it. In terms of impact on Daniel, the timing makes not one jot of difference. It was painful no matter when it happened. To sit on the news for hours / days would have made no sense at all. It was pi££ poor timing and anyone who can’t see that needs help. If your going to sack him regardless of the Brentford result have the balls to do it soon after the Leeds match. Edited November 12, 2021 by Midlands Yellow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kenny Foggo 1,116 Posted November 12, 2021 It is Webber bashing by those that can see no other person managing us despite results on the pitch. There is absolutely no "right" time to sack a person. He has gone, move on... 1 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coneys Knee 941 Posted November 12, 2021 I thought the timing made absolute sense from a club point of view and that’s what should be coming first. From Daniels pint of view and a sentimental point of view it was messy for sure anyhow. I think Webber got it right. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
fredherring 136 Posted November 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: It was pi££ poor timing and anyone who can’t see that needs help. If your going to sack him regardless of the Brentford result have the balls to do it soon after the Leeds match. What absolute rubbish. You need the help. It made sense in order to try and keep stability to get a realistic result against Brentford. It made sense in terms of the players and staff getting told together and saying goodbye to a team they worked with for years. There is no ideal time. This moronic idea that there is just makes people who believe it look even more thick. Well done. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SteveN8458 61 Posted November 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, Pugin said: Iwan Roberts is the latest to blame the club for the timing of the sacking. I just don't get it. The decision had been made during the week. It had to be delivered to Daniel as soon as possible. The players needed reassurance and some explanation of what was going on. Sunday was a day off and then the group split up during international week. So Stuart Webber called the players together at 10pm on Saturday at Colney to talk about it. So, what other timing would have worked? It just feels like club-bashing for tbe sake of it. In terms of impact on Daniel, the timing makes not one jot of difference. It was painful no matter when it happened. To sit on the news for hours / days would have made no sense at all. For me it was bad timing. What other timing? The coach bringing them all back would have either gone to Colney or CR, it's not like the cabbage coaches where the drive 'might' drop a few people off here/there for a beer token. In either case the players & Farke could have been told there NOT at an away stadium. I guess that makes me 'thick' !!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,256 Posted November 12, 2021 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: It was pi££ poor timing and anyone who can’t see that needs help. If your going to sack him regardless of the Brentford result have the balls to do it soon after the Leeds match. We picked up 3 points AND look to appoint a new manager during 2 week break - how is that **** poor? You supporting Farke or the club with that statement? Sack him after Leeds, who fills in? We probably lose against Brentford as we're in such a shambles... It's absolute nonsense to suggest this wasn't a good time. Edited November 12, 2021 by Google Bot 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Robert N. LiM 4,241 Posted November 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Coneys Knee said: From Daniels pint of view and a sentimental point of view it was messy for sure anyhow. Liked just because you used the word 'anyhow'. Really hope SW sat Daniel down and said 'I'm afraid your defensive behaviour has not been good anyhow and you're not a topic for the coach's job any more.' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted November 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: It was pi££ poor timing and anyone who can’t see that needs help. If your going to sack him regardless of the Brentford result have the balls to do it soon after the Leeds match. Requires much less 'balls' to sack someone straight after a loss as opposed to a win... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,759 Posted November 12, 2021 34 minutes ago, Pugin said: Iwan Roberts is the latest to blame the club for the timing of the sacking. I just don't get it. The decision had been made during the week. It had to be delivered to Daniel as soon as possible. The players needed reassurance and some explanation of what was going on. Sunday was a day off and then the group split up during international week. So Stuart Webber called the players together at 10pm on Saturday at Colney to talk about it. So, what other timing would have worked? It just feels like club-bashing for tbe sake of it. In terms of impact on Daniel, the timing makes not one jot of difference. It was painful no matter when it happened. To sit on the news for hours / days would have made no sense at all. Agreed. It's amazing how many people who love the sport, even were involved in the sport but don't understand it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 371 Posted November 12, 2021 I would have liked the club to have someone in by today if not tomorrow at the latest. Gives a week to see the players and get staff sorted etc. I think the timing was spot on to sack a manager, give him the farewell before they go onto international duty. Then I suppose we would get moaned about for leaving it a few more games or even days later. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,095 Posted November 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, fredherring said: What absolute rubbish. You need the help. It made sense in order to try and keep stability to get a realistic result against Brentford. It made sense in terms of the players and staff getting told together and saying goodbye to a team they worked with for years. There is no ideal time. This moronic idea that there is just makes people who believe it look even more thick. Well done. This 100% 👍🏻 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,095 Posted November 12, 2021 Just now, Ward 3 said: I would have liked the club to have someone in by today if not tomorrow at the latest. Gives a week to see the players and get staff sorted etc. I think the timing was spot on to sack a manager, give him the farewell before they go onto international duty. Then I suppose we would get moaned about for leaving it a few more games or even days later. Most of them not back until middle of next week Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,531 Posted November 12, 2021 I can see that the job may have got too big for Farke with some players unhappy and causing ruptions behind the scenes, but he should have been backed rather than sacked. The timing wasn't good though and Daniel rather made it worse for Webber by winning the match. I don't think I've ever seen such joy and exuberance from the players on winning an ordinary league match - winning it was a huge psychological barrier that had been removed - and the benefits of that to morale and togetherness for up coming matches was really important. Now the foot has been taken off the pedal, the improved results meaningless, a new man coming in to try and get to know the players and certain players who have been less than focussed in training feeling smug that they've got rid of the man they saw as holding them back - and really, it's a rather sorry story, from top to bottom. Through all that the only man to come through it with any credit is Daniel himself. He got that vital first win, was trying to deal with the precious egos behind the scenes and was starting to get improved results. Sacking him at all was wrong and should have been backed more by Webber, not thrown under the bus. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 371 Posted November 12, 2021 Just now, Yobocop said: Most of them not back until middle of next week Just now, Yobocop said: Most of them not back until middle of next week Yeah mate I know but you'd like to think they can meet everyone around the club and players that are still here? Ready for when players return.. knowing us we will appoint someone next Friday Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,095 Posted November 12, 2021 So good you quoted it twice 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 500 Posted November 12, 2021 So you think the decision to sack Farke was taken just prior to Brentford game??? Think the club knew weeks ago he was living in borrowed time and still we wait As stated the new manager needs more than a few days before the Southampton game 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted November 12, 2021 I understand they wanted the manager in place for the Brentford game, fine, but maybe ask Daniel to meet on the Sunday or something before he headed off to Germany and speak with him then. Doing it immediately after winning his first game of the season was a poor way to treat a great servant for the club, no matter how poorly we had done this season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
canarydan23 4,060 Posted November 12, 2021 You're having to tie yourselves in logical knots here. "He had to be told as soon as possible" It was decided on Thursday to sack him. Saturday evening is not as soon as possible. "But, but, but we needed to give ourselves the best chance of winning against Brentford." People have spent weeks saying how crap Farke is and how he needs to go, but a lot of those same people are now saying it was right to keep him in for Brentford because it gave us the best chance of winning? Okaaaaaaaaay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ward 3 371 Posted November 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Yobocop said: So good you quoted it twice Haha had a moment with it 🤣 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,934 Posted November 12, 2021 36 minutes ago, Google Bot said: We picked up 3 points AND look to appoint a new manager during 2 week break - how is that **** poor? You supporting Farke or the club with that statement? Sack him after Leeds, who fills in? We probably lose against Brentford as we're in such a shambles... It's absolute nonsense to suggest this wasn't a good time. I’m supporting Farke, he deserved better. Sacked after the Chelsea debacle or Leeds poor display would have been acceptable. Why keep him in charge for Brentford if he’s getting the bullet regardless of the result. If leaving (for another job) as head coach had been he’s choosing you feel it would have been done with more respect and class. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,934 Posted November 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, daly said: So you think the decision to sack Farke was taken just prior to Brentford game??? Think the club knew weeks ago he was living in borrowed time and still we wait As stated the new manager needs more than a few days before the Southampton game The club started the tapping up process long before the Saturday sacking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
For the future 65 Posted November 12, 2021 I’m sure this was the right time the club have to keep in the premier league and prove everyone wrong that this club is a premiership club Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,934 Posted November 12, 2021 45 minutes ago, fredherring said: What absolute rubbish. You need the help. It made sense in order to try and keep stability to get a realistic result against Brentford. It made sense in terms of the players and staff getting told together and saying goodbye to a team they worked with for years. There is no ideal time. This moronic idea that there is just makes people who believe it look even more thick. Well done. Made sense to treat him with contempt and let him do a last interview post match too celebrating a win? In your head maybe but with the service he gave he certainly deserved better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hand of Theo 25 Posted November 12, 2021 It's not the timing as such for me. I understand that he didn't want to disrupt the Brentford preparations and then make the change during the international break, that all kind of makes sense... What I don't understand though is how there was no replacement already lined up by the time of DF was canned, despite Webber making his mind up in mid-week?? I was convinced that the timing meant Webber had already sounded out Nuno and he was poised to come straight in, but it seems Webber is just flying by the seat of his pants? The fact that Dean Smith is a leading candidate despite being still employed when we binned off DF speaks volumes that there was no succession plan in place, which baffles me when Webber portrays himself as this astute finger on the pulse kinda guy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,934 Posted November 12, 2021 50 minutes ago, hogesar said: Requires much less 'balls' to sack someone straight after a loss as opposed to a win... Whatever the club do will always get a thumbs up from you regardless. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Google Bot 3,256 Posted November 12, 2021 16 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said: I’m supporting Farke, he deserved better. Sacked after the Chelsea debacle or Leeds poor display would have been acceptable. Why keep him in charge for Brentford if he’s getting the bullet regardless of the result. Then your point is valid, I support the club so we'll have differing views on whether this was 'good' Share this post Link to post Share on other sites