Farke has spoken...

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

"In these types of games you need to win points to earn the right to be in the next season on this level," he said. "Once you lose such a game, it's disappointing and a horrendous outcome for us today.

"I think we were the better side and played on the front foot in the first half. In the second half, out of their first dangerous situation they were able to score. We had four or five situations in the first half where we got into the box and weren't able to get the shot away.

"Raphinha showed the quality to score in his situation. We scored the equaliser and put lots of workload in. The team were buzzing and we had the momentum on our side and were full of confidence and wanted to chase the game to win.

"Sometimes you can be caught on the counter attack but if you concede out of such a situation one minute later, it shouldn't even be a chance - a strike 30 yards out - killed the whole momentum, mood and confidence. It was a deciding moment in the game. We're not playing for warm words or just good performances, we're also playing for points and we have to improve our quality in both boxes to win them.

"I won't blame any of my players. The story of the season so far, we've lost against three teams we had no chance against - away at Chelsea, Man City and home to Liverpool. In all the other games they have been goalless draws or we've been losing by one goal, once or twice with two goals.

"They're tight games and we are at times the better side, but we have to add quality in both boxes to make a block, save or tackle, a final shot or decisive pass in a key moment to score goals. If it's always competitive and you're not the worst side but are always unlucky, it's a little bit of a lack of quality. We have to stay self critical.

"I'm happy with the workload and what my players invested into this game. We were by far the better side in the first half and had the momentum after the equaliser. It's not about a young player or more experienced ones who make mistakes. We have to add more quality to give ourselves the chance to win more points. Sadly, we lacked this in the decisive moments and we need to improve them."

Farke explained his team selection, noting that he wanted his side to be more attacking against Leeds than in previous weeks.

"After conceding too many goals in the beginning of the season we wanted to be solid at the back and we managed this in the last weeks," he said. "The game against Chelsea killed the momentum a bit but in the three games before we were solid in terms of defending.

"It was always the plan in the home game against Leeds to go for it and have many offensive players on the pitch. It's not enough to just get a goalless draw. These games you need to win points. Although we lost against Chelsea with many goals, we wanted to go for it and be brave and it paid off in the performance with many good situations.

"To not manage to bring the ball over the line in the final third and to concede the goals was disappointing. The topic is that whatever setup we have, whether it's many offensive players or more defensive, we have to use in difficult games against top sides is to show quality in both boxes.

"After a loss at home against Leeds, it's not the time to give some fighting messages. We will speak a bit less and work a bit more. If you don't have the quality and financial possibilities to buy high quality players at both ends of the pitch then you have to work harder on the training pitch, which is what we should do now.

"Brentford away is quite a similar game against a side in the bottom half of the table. We are always competitive in these games. If we can find this quality on the training pitch then there's no doubt we'll have chances to win these types of games. My lads deserve many compliments for the work ethic and unity that they put in."

[CANARYKING 707]

Load of tosh

[Mr Tea 140]

Lowest I’ve heard him.

 

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

You know what, I simply can't be arsed to listen to him anymore. He's like an ex girlfriend that keeps on texting you and won't take the hint. 

[Danke bitte 1,154]

Sounds like the chat of a man who knows his p45 is winging is way to him in the post…

[Uncle Fred 526]

Please just go and do what is right for the club 

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,261]

I was there Daniel, we were not the better side in the first half, we might have worked harder than we normally do but we didn't work as hard as Leeds, out quality between the boxes was pretty awful as well for a PL team, we did have a chance v Liverpool/City and Chelsea as other promoted club have shown this year (even if they were sometimes unlucky with results) and what are you going to do on the training pitch that you haven't already? Is it an admission that up until this point you haven't been giving it your all?

Just utter rubbish. 

[daly 551]

More chance of Hairy Ken taking his ex girlfriend back than Farke going

[littleyellowbirdie 3,138]

Sounds like an honest evaluation to me, but I sympathise with those that don't want to hear it to an extent. 

I do think those that believe change of management will save us are mistaken. 

Edited October 31, 2021 by littleyellowbirdie

[Upo 91]

He is done. Webber now has to commit to a future without Farke and do it immediately. Is he up to it? This is probably the biggest decision in his career so far. Delaying the inevitable will damage the club.

[Channon’s Windmill 416]

Straw clutching rubbish .

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

What he says is so confusing. They shouldn't score from thirty yards (Tim you dropped a clanger) to I won't blame any of my players (but I already have).

[Michael Starr 571]

"For us, as a club there will never be a guarantee immediately after promotion we can definitely stay in this league"

WHY???? Another example of defeatist attitude. This crap is all we ever hear. That and the miracles comments. We're not some Sunday league side you know. We're a professional football team. It's 11 vs 11 humans. We can actually win games. We are actually good enough to do that sometimes.

Edited October 31, 2021 by Michael Starr

[OnDaBall 141]

Any manager who says that there are certain games that we have no chance in, is quite frankly a disgrace. It gives the whole squad the perfect excuse to not even turn up against the so called top teams, just as we saw against Chelsea. Expect more 7-0 defeats when we come to those games.

That seemed like a man getting his side of the story ready for his inevitable sacking.

[king canary 8,754]

24 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

I won't blame any of my players. The story of the season so far, we've lost against three teams we had no chance against - away at Chelsea, Man City and home to Liverpool.

To say this in a weekend where Brighton got a point from Liverpool and Palace beat Man City is just ridiculous. 

[hogesar 10,762]

18 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Sounds like an honest evaluation to me, but I sympathise with those that don't want to hear it to an extent. 

I do think those that believe change of management will save us are mistaken. 

Yeah when people take a step back and read it for what it is its a fairly accurate account. 

[Crafty Canary 547]

2 points from 60 in his last 20 PL matches is a managerial record of outstanding ineffectiveness. DF has shown us he is a champion in the Championship and a littlr boy lost at the higher level.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

Two seasons ago I said I thought the pair of them (Webber and DF) had been stitched. 38 free hits and £3M was a message from the owners saying we aren't bothered.

But this season money was made available. I don't know how much we have actually spent but £40M has been quoted. Although it didn't help that we were committed to buying Dimi and Ben.

Maybe two £20M signings would have been better. Two top midfield players who would calm things down and bring all the players into the game.

But we went for quantity over quality. And as I believe DF must have been consulted by Webber, then the pair of them must put their hands up and say they appear to have got it wrong.

[Danke bitte 1,154]

3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Two seasons ago I said I thought the pair of them (Webber and DF) had been stitched. 38 free hits and £3M was a message from the owners saying we aren't bothered.

But this season money was made available. I don't know how much we have actually spent but £40M has been quoted. Although it didn't help that we were committed to buying Dimi and Ben.

Maybe two £20M signings would have been better. Two top midfield players who would calm things down and bring all the players into the game.

But we went for quantity over quality. And as I believe DF must have been consulted by Webber, then the pair of them must put their hands up and say they appear to have got it wrong.

I agree. Both are culpable. But then they got the Championship squad oh so right. So I’m struggling to understand what they were thinking. It’s like they had a collective brain fart when they knew what we needed. Maybe we just couldn’t afford it? But then we’ve just spunked all that dough. Im so confused right now. 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,138]

16 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

2 points from 60 in his last 20 PL matches is a managerial record of outstanding ineffectiveness. DF has shown us he is a champion in the Championship and a littlr boy lost at the higher 

Believing that any individual manager can be brilliant at championship level but inept at Premier league level makes no sense whatsoever when there are so many other variables in the success or failure of a team: ability of players to perform at different levels being one obvious one. 

Edited October 31, 2021 by littleyellowbirdie

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

Don't disagree with anything he has said.

At the end of the day he has taken the club as far as he can, and he can have immense pride in what he has achieved, but enough is enough. Go, or be forced to go, before your reputation is in tatters.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,328]

9 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

Two seasons ago I said I thought the pair of them (Webber and DF) had been stitched. 38 free hits and £3M was a message from the owners saying we aren't bothered.

But this season money was made available. I don't know how much we have actually spent but £40M has been quoted. Although it didn't help that we were committed to buying Dimi and Ben.

Maybe two £20M signings would have been better. Two top midfield players who would calm things down and bring all the players into the game.

But we went for quantity over quality. And as I believe DF must have been consulted by Webber, then the pair of them must put their hands up and say they appear to have got it wrong.

Did we really need to spend £5m rising to £10m on a 2nd choice keeper this season, of all seasons.

I get that it is a long term Krul succession plan, but we also needed a long term Pukki succession plan and that £5m could have gone onto the striker budget to help deliver somebody more equipped for senior football than Josh Sargent.

This season of all seasons was the money shot, we needed to get this season right. Feels like we should have just signed Nyland on a perm.

[Upo 91]

15 minutes ago, Danke bitte said:

I agree. Both are culpable. But then they got the Championship squad oh so right. So I’m struggling to understand what they were thinking. It’s like they had a collective brain fart when they knew what we needed. Maybe we just couldn’t afford it? But then we’ve just spunked all that dough. Im so confused right now. 

 

We went down with overpowered squad - for Championship. Is there a single match where Farke turned it around with a tactical choice or fire up the squad mentally?

Emi Buendia's and Teemu Pukki's partnership appears to have let the team and Farke get away with a lot of mediocrity. Essentially, we were never a PL capable squad under Farke. We probably never had the players for the job either beyond Pukki and Buendia. Max Aarons and Cantwell still have promise, but haven't proven themselves.

We can't let Webber get away without criticism. His signings for this season have not improved the squad. His big coup so far seems to be signing Emi holding on to him when we went down.

Blaming lack of money is a bit difficult considering the money committed to 21/22 season. We needed 3 or 4 signings worth £15M - experienced proven players. Instead we got half a dozen future prospects worth £10M each...in 3 years time.

Edited October 31, 2021 by Upo

[Danke bitte 1,154]

8 minutes ago, Upo said:

 

We went down with overpowered squad - for Championship. Is there a single match where Farke turned it around with a tactical choice or fire up the squad mentally?

Emi Buendia's and Teemu Pukki's partnership appears to have let the team and Farke get away with a lot of mediocrity. Essentially, we were never a PL capable squad under Farke. We probably never had the players for the job either beyond Pukki and Buendia. Max Aarons and Cantwell still have promise, but haven't proven themselves.

We can't let Webber get away without criticism. His signings for this season have not improved the squad. His big coup so far seems to be signing Emi holding on to him when we went down.

Blaming lack of money is a bit difficult considering the money committed to 21/22 season. We needed 3 or 4 signings worth £15M - experienced proven players. Instead we got half a dozen future prospects worth £10M each...in 3 years time.

Good post 

[Monty13 2,736]

51 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Sounds like an honest evaluation to me, but I sympathise with those that don't want to hear it to an extent. 

I do think those that believe change of management will save us are mistaken. 

I don’t think it’s honest, it’s pure spin with just enough truth to make it palatable IMO.

“we've lost against three teams we had no chance against”

But it’s this stuff that really irritates though abd I think paints the picture of why we are where we are. Most press conference talk is spin and waffling nonsense, I accept that. However this isn’t the attitude we should have and what’s more it’s not true. Tell it to Palace and Brighton this weekend.

Negative mindset is absolutely toxic and it’s the main reason I think he should go.

We all know we are one of the technically weakest teams in the league, but that’s why you have to play with confidence in your ability and belief that you can still beat teams and pull off results, it’s only one game at a time and upsets frequently happen in football.

If this team and management can’t believe you can get anything against teams that are better than us on paper than that’s pretty much every team so no wonder we look like we’ve raised the white flag every game.

The psychology the leadership is giving off is pathologically wrong and is a big part of why we aren’t showing up in my opinion.

 

[littleyellowbirdie 3,138]

3 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

I don’t think it’s honest, it’s pure spin with just enough truth to make it palatable IMO.

“we've lost against three teams we had no chance against”

But it’s this stuff that really irritates though abd I think paints the picture of why we are where we are. Most press conference talk is spin and waffling nonsense, I accept that. However this isn’t the attitude we should have and what’s more it’s not true. Tell it to Palace and Brighton this weekend.

Negative mindset is absolutely toxic and it’s the main reason I think he should go.

We all know we are one of the technically weakest teams in the league, but that’s why you have to play with confidence in your ability and belief that you can still beat teams and pull off results, it’s only one game at a time and upsets frequently happen in football.

If this team and management can’t believe you can get anything against teams that are better than us on paper than that’s pretty much every team so no wonder we look like we’ve raised the white flag every game.

The psychology the leadership is giving off is pathologically wrong and is a big part of why we aren’t showing up in my opinion.

 

I guess we'll have to agree to differ. 

[Crafty Canary 547]

28 minutes ago, littleyellowbirdie said:

Believing that any individual manager can be brilliant at championship level but inept at Premier league level makes no sense whatsoever when there are so many other variables in the success or failure of a team: ability of players to perform at different levels being one obvious one. 

I see, so DF’s truly appalling record at the PL level is down to anything other than his ability to devise effective game plans making the most of the strengths of his players’s skills whilst minimising their weaknesses. Glad we have cleared that up.

[yellowrider120 917]

3 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

I don’t think it’s honest, it’s pure spin with just enough truth to make it palatable IMO.

“we've lost against three teams we had no chance against”

But it’s this stuff that really irritates though abd I think paints the picture of why we are where we are. Most press conference talk is spin and waffling nonsense, I accept that. However this isn’t the attitude we should have and what’s more it’s not true. Tell it to Palace and Brighton this weekend.

Negative mindset is absolutely toxic and it’s the main reason I think he should go.

We all know we are one of the technically weakest teams in the league, but that’s why you have to play with confidence in your ability and belief that you can still beat teams and pull off results, it’s only one game at a time and upsets frequently happen in football.

If this team and management can’t believe you can get anything against teams that are better than us on paper than that’s pretty much every team so no wonder we look like we’ve raised the white flag every game.

The psychology the leadership is giving off is pathologically wrong and is a big part of why we aren’t showing up in my opinion.

 

You're absolutely right and no manager should stay in their job when they effectively 'concede' a certain number of matches each and every PL season! Goes much, much deeper than Farke's defeatist attitude though. Years ago a phrase went round of 'Costa Colney' implying that players would sometimes join Norwich and it would be a comfortable, no hassle ride for them. Indeed I also believe that at least one former manager pledged to rid the club of that mentality. Trouble is that this 'little old' Norwich mindset comes straight out of The Cooks mouth (on TV after the home win v Man Utd in 2005). Indeed it is so set in the DNA of the club that it infects most of our fans as well who simply shrug their shoulders whenever we lose to a so called 'big' club. You only have to look at the pretty much universal white flag waving there was on this forum at the start of the season who had written off the first FOUR matches! Well correct me if I'm wrong but as Arsenal were one of those clubs then you MUST also include Spurs, United and West Ham in the list of clubs who we...............'have no chance against'. My maths says that is an incredible FOURTEEN matches (out of the grand total of 38) that many fans have simply conceded. 

With a sizeable number of fans with this treacherous attitude, ditto the Manager and ditto the Owners is it any wonder the players are beaten before they even set foot on the pitch in said matches! 

It's NOT just about money or even the managers team selection or formations. If the attitude is wrong then you sink in any form of activity in life. Fact.

[Heading South 24]

Do you really think the manager of any team is going to publicly slate his team , they dress everything up for quotes and interviews, then rip them a good one behind closed doors .

[Ken Hairy 4,272]

19 minutes ago, Monty13 said:

I don’t think it’s honest, it’s pure spin with just enough truth to make it palatable IMO.

“we've lost against three teams we had no chance against”

But it’s this stuff that really irritates though abd I think paints the picture of why we are where we are. Most press conference talk is spin and waffling nonsense, I accept that. However this isn’t the attitude we should have and what’s more it’s not true. Tell it to Palace and Brighton this weekend.

Negative mindset is absolutely toxic and it’s the main reason I think he should go.

We all know we are one of the technically weakest teams in the league, but that’s why you have to play with confidence in your ability and belief that you can still beat teams and pull off results, it’s only one game at a time and upsets frequently happen in football.

If this team and management can’t believe you can get anything against teams that are better than us on paper than that’s pretty much every team so no wonder we look like we’ve raised the white flag every game.

The psychology the leadership is giving off is pathologically wrong and is a big part of why we aren’t showing up in my opinion.

 

That statement alone makes me want him to be sacked, and I'm starting to be a lot less sympathetic towards him too.