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So basically we're relegated. By the time he finally sacks Farke we'll cut well adrift of the pack. 

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2 hours ago, hogesar said:

Oh I see, so he DID take responsibility, you're just choosing to now make out it doesn't count. Superb work.

If he took responsibility it would have started.... AND ENDED with him. Like I said typical Webber bull **** gobbled up by the gullible. 

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6 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

If he took responsibility it would have started.... AND ENDED with him. Like I said typical Webber bull **** gobbled up by the gullible. 

Right.

I'm not sure there's anything to be 'gullible' about.

If you don't like the guy, use some genuine reasoning rather than telling me he didn't take responsibility anywhere, only for me to show you quotes where he done exactly that, only for you to decide it doesn't count, to then move the goalposts and say because he said responsibility starts with him, that's not taking enough responsibility because he didn't also tell you it ends with him.

Very, very weird.

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1 minute ago, hogesar said:

Right.

I'm not sure there's anything to be 'gullible' about.

If you don't like the guy, use some genuine reasoning rather than telling me he didn't take responsibility anywhere, only for me to show you quotes where he done exactly that, only for you to decide it doesn't count, to then move the goalposts and say because he said responsibility starts with him, that's not taking enough responsibility because he didn't also tell you it ends with him.

Very, very weird.

I don't dislike the guy at all, just think he talks a lot of corporate bull **** to pass the buck, many in his position do it's generally how they got up the ladder in the first place. It's not a criticism, some people lap it up, some people think its bull ****. You like what he says, fair play and best of British to you. 

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I didn't think there was any realistic chance we'd sack Farke, just need to hope we can find some sort of form and a few wins from somewhere so we avoid beating all sorts of horrible records, and if a few of our new signings or younger players can find form and/or confidence before relegation, that would be nice.

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13 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

I don't dislike the guy at all, just think he talks a lot of corporate bull **** to pass the buck, many in his position do it's generally how they got up the ladder in the first place. It's not a criticism, some people lap it up, some people think its bull ****. You like what he says, fair play and best of British to you. 

I have to say, my first thought was that he sounded like he was talking in cliches and corporate management gobbledygook, a bit like Jez Moxey used to (although not as bad as him). I preferred it when he used to shoot from the hip.

I used to like that about McNally actually, if he could say something in 10 words or less he would. 

 

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56 minutes ago, Hardhouse44 said:

Webber is as culpable as Farke and should also go with immediate effect.

His recruitment this summer coupled with that interview is the equivalent of a man who’s gone and found himself the windiest field he could then turned his face to the wind, whopped out his çock, urinated and is now trying to hide from everyone the fact that he’s covered in his own pi$$!!!!

 

No need, not funny, have a little respect or find your own field (preferably in Suffolk)  and perhaps just stay there.  

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15 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

I don't dislike the guy at all, just think he talks a lot of corporate bull **** to pass the buck, many in his position do it's generally how they got up the ladder in the first place. It's not a criticism, some people lap it up, some people think its bull ****. You like what he says, fair play and best of British to you. 

What exactly do you want him to say and could you include how you want him to say it?   

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Just now, ged in the onion bag said:

What exactly do you want him to say and could you include how you want him to say it?   

If he's just going to spout clichés I'd just rather he said nothing at all. I wasn't one of the ones clamouring for a statement from him as unless it's about the end or start of a mangers reign I don't see the need for his statement. 

All it's achieved is spilt opinions further. 

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Blaming Ben Gibson when we were already 5-0 down and not performing or looking remotely interested is quite extraordinary. It was the whole team and it wasn't the first time either. I like the Webber/ Farke combo but nothing lasts forever. To me Farke has lost the players completely, and Webber has his head in the sand, somehow hoping in the sort of turnaround I doubt the EPL has ever seen before, to justify the 4 year contract and his own blind faith.

 

He is too right, it isn't acceptable and needs to accept that DF, sadly, is out of his depth, rather than deflecting onto fans and Gibbo. Webber and Farke just seem too close.

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2 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

If he's just going to spout clichés I'd just rather he said nothing at all. I wasn't one of the ones clamouring for a statement from him as unless it's about the end or start of a mangers reign I don't see the need for his statement. 

All it's achieved is spilt opinions further. 

What cliche's are these?   I thought he articulated himself well, had a small dig at a minority of fans who are (IMO) far to impatient and quite frankly the chants were counter productive and cheap, then politely asked the fans to stick with the players who need a helping hand in this really difficult time..... what was wrong with that?    So exactly how should he have put that over..... especially when you know many were clamouring for a statement from him.     Classic damned if he does stuff..... anyone getting wound up by his interview needs to get a grip.    Intrigued to see the list of cliche's but not expectant!    

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3 hours ago, birchfest said:

Isn't it fun when someone uses the word 'socialist' in a way that clearly displays they have no idea what it means. It's a bit like an online intelligence test...

But then Big Vince is an Ipswich troll anyway. 

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2 minutes ago, ged in the onion bag said:

What cliche's are these?   I thought he articulated himself well, had a small dig at a minority of fans who are (IMO) far to impatient and quite frankly the chants were counter productive and cheap, then politely asked the fans to stick with the players who need a helping hand in this really difficult time..... what was wrong with that?    So exactly how should he have put that over..... especially when you know many were clamouring for a statement from him.     Classic damned if he does stuff..... anyone getting wound up by his interview needs to get a grip.    Intrigued to see the list of cliche's but not expectant!    

Its full of "its unacceptable" "its not down to one man" "300 staff" "make the ground a cauldron" blah blah blah, talk about stating the bloody obvious. 

We know all this, what's the plan? Blind faith? If we're still on target for this idiotic top 26 plan, even if that means going without a win all season then why say anything at all? 

It was all just blah, I didn't see the point of it as like I've said it's just split everyone further, which of course is classic distraction tactics. He's said **** all we all already didn't know, it was pointless. 

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12 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

Its full of "its unacceptable" "its not down to one man" "300 staff" "make the ground a cauldron" blah blah blah, talk about stating the bloody obvious. 

We know all this, what's the plan? Blind faith? If we're still on target for this idiotic top 26 plan, even if that means going without a win all season then why say anything at all? 

It was all just blah, I didn't see the point of it as like I've said it's just split everyone further, which of course is classic distraction tactics. He's said **** all we all already didn't know, it was pointless. 

300 staff don’t pick the team though so I really did not understand his point. It’s most certainly is down to one man when it is on the pitch issues. 

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If its down to 300 people then DF makes, statistically, only 0.33% of the overall performance level. So could they do a cheeky job swap, perhaps with the guy who cooks the scampi, to see if that makes any difference for the Leeds game? Or does it mean we'd have to fire 299 people, but keep Farke, or maybe fire 151 as that is marginally more than an average chance of improvement? Or perhaps Ken Hairy is right and its all "I need to be seen to say something" claptrap......

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16 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

Its full of "its unacceptable" "its not down to one man" "300 staff" "make the ground a cauldron" blah blah blah, talk about stating the bloody obvious. 

We know all this, what's the plan? Blind faith? If we're still on target for this idiotic top 26 plan, even if that means going without a win all season then why say anything at all? 

It was all just blah, I didn't see the point of it as like I've said it's just split everyone further, which of course is classic distraction tactics. He's said **** all we all already didn't know, it was pointless. 

What did you expect? What "plan" could there be apart from "we need to improve"?  Or did you want, "yes DF has one game to prove he is up to the job, then we'll get Steve Allardyce or Bruce Wayne in or somesuch and we'll kick out all the young players and get in a whole load of new players in January. Oh and by the way the supporters are fantastic and should never be criticised one iota" ? 

And how has it split fans even more?  Surely it was a rallying call we can all buy into?

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7 hours ago, Big Vince said:

Well they are socialists, aren't they? Lifelong Labour Party supporters. Wynnie used to work on The Mirror for pete sake. Was it the 2005 General Election? The EDP had a photo of Delia being kissed on one cheek by Charles Clarke and on the other cheek by the boy Gibson.

 

Delia also used her position as owner of the club to play politics in the more recent past. She campaigned for Remain whilst wearing her City scarf.  I supported Remain too, but other fans didn't and I thought it was out of order.

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10 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

He looked really nervous to me.

Clearly he didn’t believe what he was saying how the rest of us are expected to believe I don’t know 

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His words are all great, but everything is wrong at the moment, no goals scored, leaking goals and plenty of losses.

28 games to go but if we lose again against Leeds, without any goals his words are meaningless. A rallying call is usless without a response.

A poor performance strengthens the argument the players arent playing for Farke.

Another 5-3-2 formation without a good result shows Farke is continuing to get it wrong

A good result changes everything and buys him more time, so thin margins but theres been precious little evidence from those he's picking wach week so far

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56 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

All it's achieved is spilt opinions further

Actually, what it's achieved is to get everyone talking about Webber. If nothing else, he's done a great job of drawing attention away from DF and the players and changing the nature of the conversation. The opposite of passing the buck.

 

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9 minutes ago, Robert N. LiM said:

Actually, what it's achieved is to get everyone talking about Webber. If nothing else, he's done a great job of drawing attention away from DF and the players and changing the nature of the conversation. The opposite of passing the buck.

 

That's actually a valid point Robert I'll grant you, but it's not the opposite, it's exactly as I said before it's deflection, not onto him in the main but 300 staff and 27000 fans. 

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5 hours ago, hogesar said:

“Even if you asked Daniel are we happy at the minute of course none of us are.

"It's unacceptable, you know, unacceptable what happened at Chelsea, and it's unacceptable in terms of our points return, none of us want that.

"But that doesn't come down to one man. You know, we've got 300 staff here, every single one of them has a massive responsibility to step up.

"So this is a time now where this is not about focusing on one man. This is about focusing on the whole and the collective and it starts with me. 

"We have not been good enough, and we need to sort that out. It is not about an individual at this point.” 

 

I don't think you can get more direct than that (especially when shock horror, we aren't actually relegated yet), but each to their own.

Thing is though this is all very well but everyone being accountable ends up with nobody being accountable. It’s like a “force field” around all the key players absolving them of responsibility. I’m seeing regular technical and tactical issues on the pitch that I think are unacceptable for any professional footballers, let alone premier league footballers. So unless that changes very quickly, someone needs to be held to account for it and something or someone needs to be changed. 

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5 hours ago, wcorkcanary said:

There is no evidence either way Jim, I didnt ask you for any, butif you wish to provide some bona fide evidence that what you propose will defo work then id be on board with that too. Good luck with your evidential research.

Sorry? I think 2 points from 19 games and Rick nothin of the league is fairly decent evidence that we are unlikely to stay up. 

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1 minute ago, Jim Smith said:

Sorry? I think 2 points from 19 games and Rick nothin of the league is fairly decent evidence that we are unlikely to stay up. 

Not what I asked  and your reply doesn't seem  to make sense,  who is Rick nothin?

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Just now, wcorkcanary said:

Not what I asked  and your reply doesn't seem  to make sense,  who is Rick nothin?

Got it!! Rock bottom!!  I asked for evidence  that sacking Farke would guarantee  we stay up,  you can't,  it's impossible ( a bit like us staying  up )

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7 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Not what I asked  and your reply doesn't seem  to make sense,  who is Rick nothin?

Should say rock bottom. 

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Its an odd thing to say when we won the championship it wasnt just about Farke, it was also 300 staff etc, and we're not doing well so 300 staff, players etc must do better.

So where does responsibility lie. Also suggests Farke didnt play as great a role last season andcequally isnt to blame for this seasons failings. Again, makes it sound Farke plays an inferior role, so who will get this team playing, and once again, if not, where does responsibility for failure lie?

It cant go on indefinitely but Webber seems to suggest it can

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