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From the start Ill say im usually a positive person, so feel free to tell me Im talking rubbish, but I really think we could do well next season. If we look at our possible starting lineup I think we are one or two players away from a top side.

GK - Green. We know all about him. If he goes we have two internationals available.

LB - Drury, Enough said.

CB - Doherty. Player of the year this season? Either him or Safri. Has improved greatly.

CB - Shackell. Have missed him this season. He impressed me in the Premiership.

RB - Colin/AN other. I think Colin has potential, however others who can make it every week dont. Am I being realistic, overly-positive, or is everyone too negative about him on here? Is he the real deal?

LM - Huckerby. Again, enough said.

CM - Safri. At least he wont be assing about in Egypt for a month or so, either way he is a class act

CM - AN other. Etuhu is a good player, otherwise we all wouldnt have been going on about how we wanted him at the start of the season. If we cant get good form from him we must look elsewhere. As Derby are doing badly how about A cheeky bid for Inigo Idiakez?

RM - JJ/WLY - Two good players. I read JJ wants to stay here, and I rate him.

S - Earnshaw, one of the best in this division.

S - 1 from Thorne/WLY/JJ/Jarvis/Mckenzie etc. Take your pick. Maybe JJ and Earnie up front with WLY on the wing?

Ill forget the Worthy situation for now. I think the real key is continuity. In the championship year we had the same team winning week in week out. This season we have been chopping and changing. However just looking at the players we have, I really do think we have a quality line-up, and I am very optimistic about next season. (Yes I know, it should have been this season, but Im trying to forget about it!)

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I really have to agree with the gist of this post. Although the situation isn''t great at the moment, I think with a bit more consistency in team selection available we do have the basis of a quality team. As you say, a lot of the recent dismal displays have coincided with Saf''s ''arseing about in Egypt'' and obviously some of Worthington''s tactics/subs seem a bit stubborn/crazy at times but, leaving these issues to one side I think that there is enough quality in our squad to perform to a far higher standard than they have been. I agree that there are positions over which doubt hangs (ie RB, RM and CM alongside Safs - although I suspect with a bit more shrewdness in selection we may have the personnel at the club to balance the team in these positions). I would like to see Robinson and Safri given time to form a partnership in central midfield and I think that when fitter JJ2 can do a more than adequate job on the right or up front and would like to see us sign him. Yes this is an optimistic post but that seems to be the point of this thread (?), and the success of the squad we have may depend on a change of manager to fulfill its potential but I would have to agree that we do have the basis for a good team ( a fact which, in itself, obviously exacerbates many peoples frustration with Worthington). I have to say that I have been impressed with the performance of the 3 January ''signings'' so far and think that if we can manage to keep a settled side for a few games we may start to see a very welcome upswing in the levels of performance.  

Also as you say, with Huckerby, ''nuff said - I think he showed that yesterday.         

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[quote user="King Canary"][quote user="Trent Canary"]

S - Earnshaw, one of the best in this division.

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What?! Dont you mean THE best in the division
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Nope, Id have Johnson over Earnshaw. But just my opinion.

MC''d - I too have been impressed with the three signings, and Worthy ought to be applauded for it. Unfortuanetly like the signing of Ashton its come to late in the season.

Sorry about the "Assing about in Egypt" comment, Im just bitter that we have been rubbish without him! And during his time their his team didnt win a game (I think?) in a continental tournament that takes place six months before the world cup...   SPITE!

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I think if we can sort out the right back slot and robinson (whom has been promoted with sunderland and portsmouth) can play alongside saffers we must have a chance next season. Howevber a better guide will be upcoming matches against Sheff Utd, Palace, Preston and leeds. if we lose most of these games I really would worry about the state of the side.  We have only got 1 win against a top 6 side at the moment and lots of defeats against them.... that is a worrying trend

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Of course there is lots to be optimistic about Trent; but then we had an equally good squad on paper this summer and it gots us nowhere - its not the squad, which will be no different, that has to improve but the style of football we are playing at the matching of tactics to our strengths.      

We have to sharpen up and play passing football with movement from the middle of the park and the back line pushed far further up to make a challenge.

But if we dont sign  a couple of quality midfielders, including a highest priority right sided midfielder we will be in or action replay o this season, a good squd on paper playing poorly on the pitch.

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I think if we sign Rehman and JJ permanently we will have the makings of a cracking squad for next season. If we sign a top class right back and central midfield partner for Safri (and perhaps a striker to play up front with Thorne) over the summer with the money we have left from the Ashton sale + a bit extra, then we will have a great team well capable of getting us out of this division next season! I think there are still reasons to be optimistic.

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dear trent , city where 12 points clear at xmas in the prem in 92 the first year of the prem , with players that nobody wanted , culverhouse, bowen, goss, now goss was getting nowhere p*****g about in the res , one paced, useless, until williams got hold of him and turned him into a household name ,so its not about names its about training why cant the city fans get that into their heads ?                                                                                             GET THE IDIOT OUT  WILLIAMS IN (THE MAGIC)                               

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I agree ZLF. Im surprised no has come on and turned this into a worthy out thread yet! The fact is he has been shocking this season, but he has also won the league. Which of the extremes will he be next season? As mentioned early, I think it comes down to consistent team selection. And I think we have 8 or 9 right now who are straight on the team sheet.

Also with the players he has signed (Earny, JJ possibly?) it suggests a more pacey passing game, less long balls. But we can only hope...

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I agree we have a good firm basis and with 3 million parachute money coming and the rest of the ashton sale we should be able to compete transfer wise. All we need is a good right side and a target man and we have a superb chance, saying that look at the teams who are possibly coming down pompey have a russian billionare birmingham are a strong side and sunderland are a very good championship side (shame they are so poor in the prem) so it will be a hard season but with the right signings and attiude we should reach the play offs and hopefully push for automatic promotion.

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[quote user="ray ducker"]dear trent , city where 12 points clear at xmas in the prem in 92 the first year of the prem , with players that nobody wanted , culverhouse, bowen, goss, now goss was getting nowhere p*****g about in the res , one paced, useless, until williams got hold of him and turned him into a household name ,so its not about names its about training why cant the city fans get that into their heads ?                                                                                             GET THE IDIOT OUT  WILLIAMS IN (THE MAGIC)                               [/quote]

Ok, you sound like a nice happy person. So may I ask whats the difference in training between this season and the championship winning season? Seeing as though its all about the training.

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Dear trent i am a happy person , but when your heart is breaking seeing the team you loved for close on 50 years you have to make it known ,when we won the league 2 seasons ago it was the weakest leauge ever ,no ifs or buts the facts are there befor you ,if it had not been for a rank bad team in southampton all 3 team that went up would have been rel soon after xmas .look at the facts the league do:n;t lie.  GET IDIOT OUT WILLIAMS IN (THE MAGIC)

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I was very optimistic at the start of this season. I went on record and predicted us going straight back up - so what do I know! And once again, on paper, we look good for next season. But we do need to address a number of issues in the summer.

Firstly, we need to sort out our right hand side. That means a new right back, and a new right winger/right midfielder on permenant deals. I''m not convinced with Jurgen Colin. He''s okay, but inconsistent. Right backs at the very least need to be consistently solid. Maybe Fleming could do a job for us there next season in his last hurrah, with planning put in place to replace him for the season to follow. As for wide right, Johansson may do a job there for us if we sign him permanently. But if we could get a young specialist right winger then we could be heading in the right direction.

The rest of the squad is certainly, on paper, good enough to finish in the top 6, but we need a consistent team, playing consistently well. It''s no surprise that when Hucks and McVeigh play well, we more than often win. The problem is, when they don''t play well, we don''t tend to win. We need to stop relying on them so much for next season, with other players coming up to the plate and taking more responsibility for creating chances. A new centre mid may be required, but if Etuhu can sort his attitude out and discovers unfound ambition (i.e. he realises that if he puts some effort in he can actually be a good player) then maybe we won''t need any more centre mids.

Also if we can get Zack Rehman in permanently that will also be a bonus. We''ll have to wait and see.

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It all boils down to team momentum and confidence. If we can get a good start next season after a positive summer and ride high at the top end of the league watch how our busy injury room will empty. When we won the league we had barely a scraped knee when we were under the cosh this and last season look how inconsistant our line up was/is. Look at Reading - they have pretty much fielded the exact team all season ... how I wish we could have had the option of doing the same!

 

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Next season will start with the optimism of this  - which way the cookie crumbles from then on will depend on tactics, a new midfielder and a following wind of luck.

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I still think that we need a partner for Safri also a replacement for when he goes to the African nations. I think JJ2 would be a good permanent signing. i would also like to see WLY used more. Some competition for Hucks could also see him show a bit more hunger on occasion. I think Earnie will score loads given some decent service which I think hucks and mcveigh could provide.

My starting XI for next year would be:

                               Green

 

A.n Other         Doherty    Shackell      Drury

 

McVeigh         Safri         A.N Other      Hucks

 

                     Eanie            JJ2

 

 

This does require us to start playing the ball on the deck again, which I''m not sure is Worthy''s strength.

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We''ve been poor this season, a failure in the Premiership last season, and yet people still think we''re going to do well NEXT season. Astounding.

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I think there have been some excellent points made so far which I agree with.  For me the major points for next season are: 

1) We do rely on Hux and McVeigh too much, you will not find a game we have won this season that does not involve one or both of them having a good game.  This needs to be sorted next year.
2) We need to build some momentum and confidence for next year by winning and playing well in the majority of our remaining games.
3) Either Jarrett, Etuhu or both need to find some form, for me one of these two could be the key for next year.  Safri is a must in the side but I think that one of either Jarrett or Etuhu should parter him to link with and support the attack.  Playing Saf with Robinson or Hughes makes our midfield in the centre very defensive, which often pushes our whole team backwards.
4) The potential on paper needs to be seen on the pitch much more.  There can be no room for excuses next year, you can''t ask for parachute money because you had injuries.
5) Most importantly we need some who "plays" right midfield, not someone "who can play" right midfield.  There is a big difference.

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[quote user="LinkNR9"]

We''ve been poor this season, a failure in the Premiership last season, and yet people still think we''re going to do well NEXT season. Astounding.

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Well sorry for being so positive, Perhaps ill just have a big whinge next time instead. I mean why bother coming on the thread and just saying that?? At least give some reasons...

The simple fact is we won the league two seasons ago, and we have a better team now. I think this is a good post above from someones name I cant spell, something I briefly mentioned in my opening post: -

"It all boils down to team momentum and confidence. If we can get a good start next season after a positive summer and ride high at the top end of the league watch how our busy injury room will empty. When we won the league we had barely a scraped knee when we were under the cosh this and last season look how inconsistant our line up was/is. Look at Reading - they have pretty much fielded the exact team all season ... how I wish we could have had the option of doing the same!"

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Gaggers, "I still think that we need a partner for Safri also a replacement for when he goes to the African nations".

Is ANC every two or four years? Something tells me two, either way we have a bit of time to find a replacement by the time he is off again! (Assuming he is still in the Morocco squad)

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It is every two years trent... if he hasnt got a parner in the summer can anyone see him staying if he gets some interest from a team playing in europe?

 

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Ok you''re right it is every 2 years, could add when he is suspended too though.

I still think we are a little light in midfield with none of the recent signings cutting the mustard for me.

 

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[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

It is every two years trent... if he

hasnt got a parner in the summer can anyone see him staying if he gets

some interest from a team playing in europe?

 

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Wouldn''t worry about that, I believe he will be a ripe old 31 by the season after next (as will Hux).

Someone mentioned the teams coming down being strong, wouldn''t worry

about that either, look at how well the teams that came down last

season have done! And W.Ham didn''t bounce straight back up either.

I think we need a little right sided re-inforcement, but would rather

we spend big on 1 good, good player than small on severed "meh" players.

For me we have to bring in JJ2 (who as things stand will be available on a free) and Greg Halford.

Feed Etuhu way too much sugar and we''re away!

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[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

It is every two years trent... if he hasnt got a parner in the summer can anyone see him staying if he gets some interest from a team playing in europe?

 

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Cheers for that. To answer your question I cant see him leaving this summer. I think our "Morrocans all over the world" chant has genuinely touched him, and he appears to really enjoy playing here. Another poor season however and we might find him departing.

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it can''t be worse than this season.  we''ve seen hamilton style performances from a team of quality players - consistent underperformances  don''t instill confidence in either the team or the supporters.  even the recent performances have been less than convincing and if you''d seen them trent you''d probably be less bullish about next year.the next few games against serious champ teams will tell us all where this team is.

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Fingers crossed Trent - finding him a partner has been hard enough let alone getting a new central & right midfielder... 

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[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]Fingers crossed Trent - finding him a partner has been hard enough let alone getting a new central & right midfielder... [/quote]

As I said in the first post here, I think we should see if Idiakez may be available. Derby are struggling, and he is better than a division one relegation battler (Not that we are currently much better!)

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[quote user="Trent Canary"]

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]Fingers crossed Trent - finding him a partner has been hard enough let alone getting a new central & right midfielder... [/quote]

As I said in the first post here, I think we should see if Idiakez may be available. Derby are struggling, and he is better than a division one relegation battler (Not that we are currently much better!)

[/quote]don''t think idiakez has the work-rate necessary for worthy. his style of play is also prone to unnecessary showboating (skill) and falling over at the slightest touch to try and win a free kick.  

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I''ve already stated my reasons - we have been going backwards for the last season and three quarters. Yes, we did win the League two seasons ago, but that was then and this is now. I think that the current Worthington management team has gone stale and, unless we get in a whole host of new players instead next season, then we''ll not get anywhere near the play offs again.

As for the ''better team now'', that''s a matter of subjective opinion, isn''t it? Worthy got in a host of new players in the summer, yet we''re still reliant on loan players to see us through to the end of the season. Where are Jarrett and Etuhu now? Colin? They''re not his first choice, are they? As for confidence, ask Paul McVeigh how his confidence is right now. And Darren Huckerby, who has (in essence) told Worthy where to go in today''s Telegraph. I have to say that Worthy''s transfer dealings (except no-brainers like Ashton and Earnshaw) and his man-management don''t fill me with confidence.

Incidentally, forums are about expressing one''s opinions; if you don''t happen to agree with mine, that''s fair enough, but do not try to tell me what I can and cannot post.     

 

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[quote user="LinkNR9"]

We''ve been poor this season, a failure in the Premiership last season, and yet people still think we''re going to do well NEXT season. Astounding.

[/quote] What''s the point of supporting a team if you''re not going to be optimistic??? Yes things haven''t been great but we have signed three good players in the window and if we sign JJ and Rehman permanently then I do think there is cause for optimism!!! It might be and probably is unrealistic to suggest that we will suddenly win automatic promotion next year but what''s wrong in daring to dream??? Yes we can all be miserable and spout doom and gloom but what''s the point??? It isn''t going to help!!

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