Opening a can of worms

[lake district canary 4,531]

That is what happens when you start analysing the situation with our club. You start with saying the manager has to go, but why is he in difficulties..........because Webber didn't get good enough players.......why couldn't Webber get good enough players....because there isn't the money in the club.......why isn't there enough money....because we don't have super rich owners. 

Ok, everyone knows that, but what is the solution?  Some of you would say sack the manager anyway.  But is that te best thing? Really? Could anyone do any better with what we have? Really? 

Then people would say, sack Webber and others go further in saying change the owners.........so it's a can of worms. Sack Farke and you might as well sack Webber too.  Sack Farke and Webber and you might as well sack the owners. In other words change the whole club, get some money in and start all over again.

But here's the thing. In one sense the club is incredibly healthy in the way it is being run, we are way richer than we were four years ago - staggeringly better off actually, with some excellent young talent which is being nurtured by a manager who has top pedigree in bringing youngsters through. We show consistently we can get promoted.  In another sense the difficulties on the pitch remain because we are still miles off the pace in being able to get good enough players to compete at the highest level. 

So do you open the can of worms, or do you stick with what you know will keep the club strong? 

But that takes us back to the manager, the point at which people first look to see change.  Is there any point in changing someone who as proved he can build teams in the most difficult of situations (more tham once)  unless you change the rest of the club?   It's pointless changing one person for another, a person who is loved by many fans, if the situation behind the scenes is the same. But then you are back to the same conundrum. 

The answer?  Stay true to your beliefs and policies and work through them - the alternative is to change the club from top to bottom.....and is it that broken that it needs changing? Some would say yes. I would say no, as many others would too. The scale of the achievement to even get promoted is incredible given the vast resources that even clubs in the championship have compared to us and we have doen it twice - and imo could do it again.  

Not nice at the moment? Of course it isn't, but is the answer change?  Not imo, DF is integral to our success - and the fulcrum of any success we are likely to get (which is why he was given a four year contract) and getting rid could be the start of opening that can of worms......and a downward path. Is that really what we want?

[Coneys Knee 941]

I don’t disagree with most of that if I’m honest. I can accept we’re poor, I can even accept we are favourites for relegation but what I struggle to accept is how we manage to humiliate and embarrass ourselves in the process.
 

There’s a way to get beaten, and a way to get relegated. With fight, pride and effort regardless. But we just whimper and have assembled a squad that appears to be mentally fragile. 
 

I don’t know what the solution is, but I do know that rolling up our sleeves and battling hard would help the situation to some degree but we don’t even really show signs of doing that and that is an embarrassment.

Your last paragraph, lakey, is where I fear we’re at. Soon all we’ll have to show for our acceptance of the yoyo is Neil Adams as sporting director and a kenny jacket as head coach. That’s why this club should be fighting harder against relegation. Re-promotion is not a guarantee.

[Midlands Yellow 3,940]

23 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

That is what happens when you start analysing the situation with our club. You start with saying the manager has to go, but why is he in difficulties..........because Webber didn't get good enough players.......why couldn't Webber get good enough players....because there isn't the money in the club.......why isn't there enough money....because we don't have super rich owners. 

Ok, everyone knows that, but what is the solution?  Some of you would say sack the manager anyway.  But is that te best thing? Really? Could anyone do any better with what we have? Really? 

Then people would say, sack Webber and others go further in saying change the owners.........so it's a can of worms. Sack Farke and you might as well sack Webber too.  Sack Farke and Webber and you might as well sack the owners. In other words change the whole club, get some money in and start all over again.

But here's the thing. In one sense the club is incredibly healthy in the way it is being run, we are way richer than we were four years ago - staggeringly better off actually, with some excellent young talent which is being nurtured by a manager who has top pedigree in bringing youngsters through. We show consistently we can get promoted.  In another sense the difficulties on the pitch remain because we are still miles off the pace in being able to get good enough players to compete at the highest level. 

So do you open the can of worms, or do you stick with what you know will keep the club strong? 

But that takes us back to the manager, the point at which people first look to see change.  Is there any point in changing someone who as proved he can build teams in the most difficult of situations (more tham once)  unless you change the rest of the club?   It's pointless changing one person for another, a person who is loved by many fans, if the situation behind the scenes is the same. But then you are back to the same conundrum. 

The answer?  Stay true to your beliefs and policies and work through them - the alternative is to change the club from top to bottom.....and is it that broken that it needs changing? Some would say yes. I would say no, as many others would too. The scale of the achievement to even get promoted is incredible given the vast resources that even clubs in the championship have compared to us and we have doen it twice - and imo could do it again.  

Not nice at the moment? Of course it isn't, but is the answer change?  Not imo, DF is integral to our success - and the fulcrum of any success we are likely to get (which is why he was given a four year contract) and getting rid could be the start of opening that can of worms......and a downward path. Is that really what we want?

I wish you’d eat the can of worms. 

[lake district canary 4,531]

Just now, Midlands Yellow said:

I wish you’d eat the can of worms. 

I'm a vegetarian.

[Midlands Yellow 3,940]

Just now, lake district canary said:

I'm a vegetarian.

Quorn worms then, they must be available by now. 

[lake district canary 4,531]

2 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Quorn worms then, they must be available by now. 

Yuk.

[kenfoggo 247]

Great! Let’s just drift on with awful performances on the pitch and inevitable relegation.

Just do nothing, that is by far the path of least resistance.

if you are happy to accept that then Farke is your man! 
 

 

[komakino 272]

30 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

That is what happens when you start analysing the situation with our club. You start with saying the manager has to go, but why is he in difficulties..........because Webber didn't get good enough players.......why couldn't Webber get good enough players....because there isn't the money in the club.......why isn't there enough money....because we don't have super rich owners. 

Ok, everyone knows that, but what is the solution?  Some of you would say sack the manager anyway.  But is that te best thing? Really? Could anyone do any better with what we have? Really? 

Then people would say, sack Webber and others go further in saying change the owners.........so it's a can of worms. Sack Farke and you might as well sack Webber too.  Sack Farke and Webber and you might as well sack the owners. In other words change the whole club, get some money in and start all over again.

But here's the thing. In one sense the club is incredibly healthy in the way it is being run, we are way richer than we were four years ago - staggeringly better off actually, with some excellent young talent which is being nurtured by a manager who has top pedigree in bringing youngsters through. We show consistently we can get promoted.  In another sense the difficulties on the pitch remain because we are still miles off the pace in being able to get good enough players to compete at the highest level. 

So do you open the can of worms, or do you stick with what you know will keep the club strong? 

But that takes us back to the manager, the point at which people first look to see change.  Is there any point in changing someone who as proved he can build teams in the most difficult of situations (more tham once)  unless you change the rest of the club?   It's pointless changing one person for another, a person who is loved by many fans, if the situation behind the scenes is the same. But then you are back to the same conundrum. 

The answer?  Stay true to your beliefs and policies and work through them - the alternative is to change the club from top to bottom.....and is it that broken that it needs changing? Some would say yes. I would say no, as many others would too. The scale of the achievement to even get promoted is incredible given the vast resources that even clubs in the championship have compared to us and we have doen it twice - and imo could do it again.  

Not nice at the moment? Of course it isn't, but is the answer change?  Not imo, DF is integral to our success - and the fulcrum of any success we are likely to get (which is why he was given a four year contract) and getting rid could be the start of opening that can of worms......and a downward path. Is that really what we want?

The club is not performing on the pitch and that is what counts. Everything else is fluff.

I like Farke, but he can't perform at this level. If people cannot perform, you sack them. This isn't the boy scouts.

The club is on a downward path and sticking to what got them on that path makes no sense. 

I'm totally embarrassed as a Norwich fan. We were widely criticised - again - this weekend and deservedly so. The problem isn't the EPL, it's Norwich City. The public and press have found us out and we have no defence. 

[Mullet 293]

25 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

That is what happens when you start analysing the situation with our club. You start with saying the manager has to go, but why is he in difficulties..........because Webber didn't get good enough players.......why couldn't Webber get good enough players....because there isn't the money in the club.......why isn't there enough money....because we don't have super rich owners. 

Ok, everyone knows that, but what is the solution?  Some of you would say sack the manager anyway.  But is that te best thing? Really? Could anyone do any better with what we have? Really? 

Then people would say, sack Webber and others go further in saying change the owners.........so it's a can of worms. Sack Farke and you might as well sack Webber too.  Sack Farke and Webber and you might as well sack the owners. In other words change the whole club, get some money in and start all over again.

But here's the thing. In one sense the club is incredibly healthy in the way it is being run, we are way richer than we were four years ago - staggeringly better off actually, with some excellent young talent which is being nurtured by a manager who has top pedigree in bringing youngsters through. We show consistently we can get promoted.  In another sense the difficulties on the pitch remain because we are still miles off the pace in being able to get good enough players to compete at the highest level. 

So do you open the can of worms, or do you stick with what you know will keep the club strong? 

But that takes us back to the manager, the point at which people first look to see change.  Is there any point in changing someone who as proved he can build teams in the most difficult of situations (more tham once)  unless you change the rest of the club?   It's pointless changing one person for another, a person who is loved by many fans, if the situation behind the scenes is the same. But then you are back to the same conundrum. 

The answer?  Stay true to your beliefs and policies and work through them - the alternative is to change the club from top to bottom.....and is it that broken that it needs changing? Some would say yes. I would say no, as many others would too. The scale of the achievement to even get promoted is incredible given the vast resources that even clubs in the championship have compared to us and we have doen it twice - and imo could do it again.  

Not nice at the moment? Of course it isn't, but is the answer change?  Not imo, DF is integral to our success - and the fulcrum of any success we are likely to get (which is why he was given a four year contract) and getting rid could be the start of opening that can of worms......and a downward path. Is that really what we want?

There are more football managers in the world than just DF. The managers are always the ones that are held accountable when the team is under achieving and we are under achieving big time. No other club in any division would have given their manager more time than DF has been given. The players are coached to do a job, to win football matches. Whatever they are being coached is either incorrect or they don't embrace what they are being told. You have a love affair with a man that does not have the solutions for players he has. Give someone else a chance to try and coach them better. 

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

41 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

That is what happens when you start analysing the situation with our club. You start with saying the manager has to go, but why is he in difficulties..........because Webber didn't get good enough players.......why couldn't Webber get good enough players....because there isn't the money in the club.......why isn't there enough money....because we don't have super rich owners. 

'You start with saying the manager has to go', and that's where it ends. 

Farke is having difficulties because he is not good enough at this level, not because Webber hasn't given him the tools. 

Yes, maybe our signings wouldn't have been enough to keep us in the division, but they sure as **** should be able to do the absolute minimum. No amount of poor signings explains a total lack of passion and desire, does it? 

Our resources and club set up has allowed us to compete with the teams in and around us in the PL, just speak to @Badger on that one.

Again, good performance against Leeds or goodbye. 

[Midlands Yellow 3,940]

The club should invite you down to Carrow Road  for a VIP all expenses paid weekend for the Leeds game. Lunch with Delia pre match and some fine claret to wash it down with. Both of you come pitch side at 13.45 hrs to address the home crowd. Finish off by both blasting out On The Ball City which would result in that ‘Who shall I release’ scene from the Life of Brian. The crowd would be in stitches for the full 90 minutes and the result become irrelevant. 

[Dean Coneys boots 1,398]

Lakey - you argue better then devil we know. But I really wonder..what if, in truth, our owners are not actually that good? the club sometimes reminds me of a communist country/ brilliant PR but not much actual growth! The reality is we are one of the best supported sides in the country with massive potential to be an established premiership side but held back by impoverished ownership style that belongs to the 1990s not the current day. I think it needs a change - and I don’t think Farke is- as you suggest- the only option, his record at this level absolutely stinks. 

[lake district canary 4,531]

No-one else is going to keep us up this season. So why change?  Farke will get the team fighting again and the players will know that was unacceptable on Saturday.

[hogesar 9,618]

3 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

No-one else is going to keep us up this season. So why change?  Farke will get the team fighting again and the players will know that was unacceptable on Saturday.

If he does and we start to get results, he'll be given more time. If he doesn't and we are poor against Leeds then I'm not sure what anyone can really expect.

[king canary 7,580]

In some ways you have to respect the sheer brazenness of it all.

Spent the offseason saying we should be aiming higher than 17th, that people predicting a relegation battle aren't being positive enough then 9 games into the season 'nobody is keeping us up so we might as well give up.'

Ridiculous. 

[hogesar 9,618]

2 minutes ago, king canary said:

In some ways you have to respect the sheer brazenness of it all.

Spent the offseason saying we should be aiming higher than 17th, that people predicting a relegation battle aren't being positive enough then 9 games into the season 'nobody is keeping us up so we might as well give up.'

Ridiculous. 

😅 This did make me laugh to be fair

[Canaries north 151]

9 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

No-one else is going to keep us up this season. So why change?  Farke will get the team fighting again and the players will know that was unacceptable on Saturday.

What for me was unacceptable was parking the bus at Burnley. Losing 7 0 at Chelsea is embarrassing but parking the bus at Burnley says it's time to go. 

[Midlands Yellow 3,940]

1 minute ago, king canary said:

In some ways you have to respect the sheer brazenness of it all.

Spent the offseason saying we should be aiming higher than 17th, that people predicting a relegation battle aren't being positive enough then 9 games into the season 'nobody is keeping us up so we might as well give up.'

Ridiculous. 

He’s fantastic isn’t he. You could imagine Lakey on the Titanic refusing to jump in a boat and joining the orchestra. 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

8 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

No-one else is going to keep us up this season. 

If this is true then things are worse than we thought . No one will keep us up? Does this mean the players are simply not good enough to stay in the prem despite who manages them ?

In that case we have had a disastrous window . 
 

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891]

The Slow Jog Back (to help out in defence) of the City Brigade

Premier League, Premier League,
Premier League onward,
Into the valley of relegation,

Rode the Norwich 11.

‘Forward, the City!’
‘Charge for the half-way line!’ Farke said,
Into the valley of relegation,
Rode the Norwich 11.

‘Forward, the City!’
Was the GOAT dismay’d?
No service… for Pukki knew,
Someone had f*cked up:
Delia’s yet to make reply,
Webber’s not bothering to reason why,
The players but to do and die:
Into the valley of relegation,
Rode the Norwich 11.

Chelsea to the right of them,
Man City to the left of them,
Leeds in front of them,
Volley’d and head’d into the back of the net;

OTBC

[Dr Greenthumb 746]

I just saw the poster and a big essay and without reading, can guarantee it’s a load of waffle having a go at the people wanting change

[Uncle Fred 526]

Stop this nonsense Lakey 

with this model it can’t succeed it is the chocolate tea pot of models? It’s sticking feathers to your arms expecting to fly, it can’t work and the longer you and the clappers try and justify it the worse we will get 

Sunday needs to be a really really poisonous atmosphere so we can finally get some meaningful change 

[Danke bitte 965]

9 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

He’s fantastic isn’t he. You could imagine Lakey on the Titanic refusing to jump in a boat and joining the orchestra. 

Having never played so much as a piccolo…

[Disco Dales Jockstrap 1,891]

 

13 minutes ago, Midlands Yellow said:

He’s fantastic isn’t he. You could imagine Lakey on the Titanic refusing to jump in a boat and joining the orchestra. 

 

3 minutes ago, Danke bitte said:

Having never played so much as a piccolo…

He'd be conducting, getting others to try and play his tune...as ever. 

OTBC

[wcorkcanary 4,329]

44 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Yuk.

Berkley... the Angling bait supplies firm do biodegradable  worms 🪱 made from a type if dough. Lobworms, bloodworm and ragworm imitations have all done the job and caught fish for me. I believe  they are  a vegan recipe.  Sea Trout in particular  are fond of them, and have taken Sea Bass  on the Ragworm  variety. 

[Midlands Yellow 3,940]

7 minutes ago, Disco Dales Jockstrap said:

 

 

He'd be conducting, getting others to try and play his tune...as ever. 

OTBC

“Lakey, the captains just shot himself in the head and and everyone’s jumping overboard” 

Reply “Best keep playing lads everything will be all right “

[Hardhouse44 261]

Some people are frightened of change. Usually it’s children. They like the same TV shows over and over they like the same books read time and time again. Some “Adults” are the same terrified of change.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,676]

I don't care about who runs the club too much. I don't care about the manager too much.

 

But what I do care about is our club, my club, the club of my home city, the place I was born, the club I will always support becoming a national laughing stock. A joke. 

 

Is it too much to ask for this club to at least try and be competitive in the top division?

[Midlands Yellow 3,940]

1 minute ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

I don't care about who runs the club too much. I don't care about the manager too much.

 

But what I do care about is our club, my club, the club of my home city, the place I was born, the club I will always support becoming a national laughing stock. A joke. 

 

Is it too much to ask for this club to at least try and be competitive in the top division?

Yes it is. 

[Jim Smith 2,314]

45 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

No-one else is going to keep us up this season. So why change?  Farke will get the team fighting again and the players will know that was unacceptable on Saturday.

I don't accept that nobody else can keep us up this season. Our team, playing as they did most weeks last season but defending a bit better and if Tzolis or Rashica can add a bit more attacking bite would have a fighting chance and its not too late yet as we are not out of touch.