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9 minutes ago, Badger said:
  1. A realist recognises that most newly promoted clubs to the EPL get relegated. The main exception (but not the only one) are clubs, like Newcastle/ Villa who should never really have been in the Championship (but for financial mismanagement). 
  2. A realist would recognise that Norwich are performing slightly above their historical average.
  3. A realist would acknowledge that "investor owners" who "go for it" fail far more often than they succeed and that the best way to improve is through sustainable growth.
  4. A realist would recognise that there are very few multi-billionaires ready to gift Norwich money and that the current model is probably the best we are likely to have.


 

Think you may have confused realist with apologist there. Not wanting to debate the merits and pitfalls of investment again, the timeframe you have used for historical performance may be interesting and no doubt true but sorry, I think we are capable, given the amount of time spent in PL over last 10 yrs to establish in top 17. The thread was actually asking those still fully on board with the project at what point they may start to question it and going over same arguments is derailing somewhat.

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That's all very well and good if we added more money to what we already have. 

But that's not what is being asked for. What people want is to ditch what we have and start afresh with new owners. That takes away what we've done in the last 10 years. Unless of course these shiny new owners want to build on what we have and not do it their own way.

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44 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

If the shares are still worth £100 each it would only take £66 million to buy the club outright with all the shareholders accepting the offer. The new owner would then effectively hold AGMs with himself as the only shareholder in attendance - apart from any other directors appointed who would hold the minimum number of shares in order to serve. Purple is correct. The Suffolk Socialists could not stop a hostile takeover. Given that the value of the club is pretty paltry by today's standards and that it ought to be an attractive proposition given the fan base and being debt-free, the big question therefore remains - why has no such takeover ever been attempted?

I can only assume it revolves around the issue of consent. Other clubs have wanted to find a buyer whereas this one doesn't.  

I think I need to have a little lie-down...

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4 hours ago, Big Vince said:

But Norwich City are not reaping that fruit - it is exported to other clubs in return for cash to sow more seeds which will grow into fruit to be exported ad infinitum. In other words, the self-funding model. It is good for the Suffolk Socialists retaining control, but doesn't get the club any further up the league ladder and competing for major silverware.

Were further up the league  ladder and better off all round the club than when Webber/ Farke took over.  G' night Mince. 

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15 hours ago, wcorkcanary said:

Were further up the league  ladder and better off all round the club than when Webber/ Farke took over.  G' night Mince. 

Nonsense. McNasty had the club further up the league ladder than Webber/Farke. The latter have never finished higher than 20th. And whatever improvements have been made at Colney it is not having any impact on league position.

The McNasty mantra trumps the Webberlution quite comprehensively.

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37 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Nonsense. McNasty had the club further up the league ladder than Webber/Farke. The latter have never finished higher than 20th. And whatever improvements have been made at Colney it is not having any impact on league position.

The McNasty mantra trumps the Webberlution quite comprehensively.

That was then and this is now, suck  it up.  I cannot be ar$ed to continue  with  you. G'night.

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On 19/10/2021 at 19:43, Son Ova Gunn said:

Think you may have confused realist with apologist there.

I gave you four facts which you can't challenge and therefore presumably accept. I can't see any confusion at all, on my part.

Not wanting to debate the merits and pitfalls of investment again, the timeframe you have used for historical performance may be interesting and no doubt true

It would be true for any timeframe - last 10, years, last 20 years, last 30 years, ditto 40, 60, 60, 70, 80 etc

but sorry, I think we are capable, given the amount of time spent in PL over last 10 yrs to establish in top 17.

I agree that we are capable, although am cautious of the word "establish" - every team outside the top 10 or so, is likely to battle relegation every few years and occasionally they drop down as we have seen with other previously "established teams" like Stoke or Middlesbrough.  I haven't given hope hope for this season yet, and even if the worst comes to the worst, as long as we remain financially prudent we will continue to get further opportunities.

The thread was actually asking those still fully on board with the project at what point they may start to question it and going over same arguments is derailing somewhat.

I think that you give the OP too much credit - he has a record of perpetual negativity. I'm not sure what you mean by "the project" if you don't mean the financial aspects - the "self-funded" cliché etc. The only other aspect of the project developing players rather than over-paying for journeymen is really a financial reality as well. Did you have any other specific aspects of the project in mind?

 

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We are not dead certs for relegation. Even the best football statisticians in the world rate it at 70 per cent. The EPL is only 21 per cent played this year. I agree with lakes it's about the next 30 games not the last 8.

I would rather see my club owned by people who care about it and be in the c hampionship than people who whip homosexuals and behead dissidents. Actually come to think of it Dean it's a good job you don't live in Riyadh.  Of course you can criticise the club it's part of what living in a liberal democracy is all about. Just don't expect me to agree with you ever.

Should we get relegated then I will be waiting for next year's fixtures with anticipation. Its called being a supporter.  It is the hope that spurs you on and the hope that kills you.

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