This is what happens if you question VAR

[Well b back 3,190]

Hasenhuttl charged by FA. 

An FA statement read: "It is alleged that comments made by the manager during two post-match interviews constitute improper conduct in that they questioned the integrity of the VAR match official and/or implied bias and/or bring the game into disrepute."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58919234

 

[Mr Angry 1,545]

Two f-ing stupid statements-especially as it was Martin Atkinson who made the final decision to change the yellow to red.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

So what ? Let the mangers say what they like . All the precious protection of refs is nonsense . 
If Hansenhuttl talks cobblers then we can be the judge ,  rather than some kn0b in a blazer . 

[Well b back 3,190]

I appreciate this is not the best example, but clearly if you question integrity of some of the strange decisions , you get charged for what the rest of the country think. 
Surely if some of these decisions were discussed by those making them, then trust could be rebuilt. I bet Farke wanted to say after the Arsenal game just like us, had that been at the other end it would have been disallowed.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,777]

It isn't anything new; the rule has been in place for many years. If you question the integrity of a match official or accuse them of bias, whether it's the referee, an assistant, the fourth official or the VAR, you're going to be in trouble.

[canarydan23 4,060]

Fined for calling a spade a spade. Game's dead.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

I wish we’d call it out more often. They even it up if you do. I’d like to think Webber has a dossier of all the calls that have gone against  us so far this season if it’s ever needed.

[Greavsy 2,412]

Why dont the managers and refs get together over zoom on a Monday after the match, when things have calmed down to explain their decisions and reasons. 

At least then it would help everyone understand they whys and wherefores surely and learn from them going into future matches?  

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

1 hour ago, Jim Smith said:

I wish we’d call it out more often. They even it up if you do. I’d like to think Webber has a dossier of all the calls that have gone against  us so far this season if it’s ever needed.

It has also at least twice benefited us by overturning on-field decisions against us.

[CirclePoint 200]

4 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Why dont the managers and refs get together over zoom on a Monday after the match, when things have calmed down to explain their decisions and reasons. 

At least then it would help everyone understand they whys and wherefores surely and learn from them going into future matches?  

Wow…What?…I have to sit down.

This is probably the most sound and immediately applicable solution I have read on this forum.

It would really take nothing at all to make this happen.

Excellent idea.

[1902 1,167]

4 hours ago, CirclePoint said:

Wow…What?…I have to sit down.

This is probably the most sound and immediately applicable solution I have read on this forum.

It would really take nothing at all to make this happen.

Excellent idea.

Ohh please circle point. It's a bad idea precisley because it sounds logical and may create less problems with VAR.

This would deprive thousands of TV stations from Brussels to Brisbane via Bangkok the chance to debate the issues of the game for hours of advertisment friendly debate for days on end afterwards. 

Not that I'm cynical or anything about the footballing authorities commitment to the sanctity of the game.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

7 hours ago, PurpleCanary said:

It has also at least twice benefited us by overturning on-field decisions against us.

Yes snd it’s gone against us or not been used when it should have been about 6 times. Not denying we will get the occasional call in our favour but I’m talking about putting some pressure on the officials by highlighting we’ve been hard done by. 

[1902 1,167]

10 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

So what ? Let the mangers say what they like . All the precious protection of refs is nonsense . 
If Hansenhuttl talks cobblers then we can be the judge ,  rather than some kn0b in a blazer . 

I can't really say I agree with this, cricket and rugby have similar rules and it functions well, partly because everyone accepts that it is subject to both human error and interpretation. 

The issue with football is how inconsistent it is with regard to dissent. Players regularly treat officials terribly, and that is tolerated, but a manager making some relatively inane comments after a game draws sanctions.

It's similar to diving, we now have conclusive on field evidence of 'simulation' in many cases when VAR turns down appeals, but it is treated as in some way accepted that players won't be booked after the event.

Football and it's rules (and how they are applied) are all over the shop nowadays, that makes everything feel arbitrary and absurd.

[First Wazzock 902]

This is another thing that is totally ruining the game. The referees are untouchable.

It's OK if we say a player has had a poor game - you don't get the PFA handing out warnings about criticism, but you can't complain about the ref. The consistency, or lack of it is alarming. We have been on the end of some terrible decisions being little old Norwich, and yes there does appear to be a bias against the smaller sides especially against the bigger teams. But the man in the middle is unaccountable, even if he's had the worst game ever, you as manager could lose your job or see your team get relegated, you can't complain about him/her. And that is not right, no one is above criticism.

[BroadstairsR 2,138]

28 minutes ago, First Wazzock said:

This is another thing that is totally ruining the game. The referees are untouchable.

It's OK if we say a player has had a poor game - you don't get the PFA handing out warnings about criticism, but you can't complain about the ref. The consistency, or lack of it is alarming. We have been on the end of some terrible decisions being little old Norwich, and yes there does appear to be a bias against the smaller sides especially against the bigger teams. But the man in the middle is unaccountable, even if he's had the worst game ever, you as manager could lose your job or see your team get relegated, you can't complain about him/her. And that is not right, no one is above criticism.

I do not think that our perception that the officials tend to favour the big boys is a myth. Exaggerated, perhaps, but it is too frequent to be dismissed without question.

Basically they are cowards, not corrupt. 

'Fat boy fat' Simon Hooper will forever be my hate figure and rivals Kevin Muscat in that respect.

Edited October 15, 2021 by BroadstairsR

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

The phrase "bringing the game into disrepute" does make me laugh. They should charge the refs and administrators with that one.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

2 hours ago, First Wazzock said:

This is another thing that is totally ruining the game. The referees are untouchable.

It's OK if we say a player has had a poor game - you don't get the PFA handing out warnings about criticism, but you can't complain about the ref. The consistency, or lack of it is alarming. We have been on the end of some terrible decisions being little old Norwich, and yes there does appear to be a bias against the smaller sides especially against the bigger teams. But the man in the middle is unaccountable, even if he's had the worst game ever, you as manager could lose your job or see your team get relegated, you can't complain about him/her. And that is not right, no one is above criticism.

I agree. They do not even have to explain their decisions any more. Their is no means to complain. It is a self policed, closed shop. 

[The Great Mass Debater 1,078]

16 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said:

So what ? Let the mangers say what they like . All the precious protection of refs is nonsense . 
If Hansenhuttl talks cobblers then we can be the judge ,  rather than some kn0b in a blazer . 

I disagree. Lack of respect for the ref's ultimate authority from professionals (cant expect it from fans) is what helps breed this:

 

Ugly

[Mr Angry 1,545]

So it's ok for a manager to imply that a decision has been made because it was a certain official and a certain team? Implying that the official is biased against that team?

I'm fed up with managers complaining-bunch of hypocrites-case in point here, Hasenhuttl says that Mike Dean is biased against Southampton-who was it who told Martin Atkinson to check the foul in the build-up to the disallowed Chelsea goal? Well, that was Mike Dean too. I think the disallowed goal was more debateable than the sending off anyway.

[SwindonCanary 455]

I love to watch REF WATCH on sky sports.  Former Premier League referee Dermot Gallagher usually says it as it is 

[The Raptor 1,199]

I get annoyed when stewards rush on to escort the ref off the pitch at the end of the game. Particularly when he's had a poor game. If I screwed up at work there would be consequences. It's seems not for them.

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,131]

19 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Why dont the managers and refs get together over zoom on a Monday after the match, when things have calmed down to explain their decisions and reasons. 

At least then it would help everyone understand they whys and wherefores surely and learn from them going into future matches?  

How exactly would anybody in the game benefit financially from having these meetings?...yeah, that's why nobody's thought of it before. 

[FenwayFrank 2,456]

2 hours ago, SwindonCanary said:

I love to watch REF WATCH on sky sports.  Former Premier League referee Dermot Gallagher usually says it as it is 

All he does is support every decision 

[Greavsy 2,412]

1 hour ago, FenwayFrank said:

All he does is support every decision 

Referees union. 

[SwindonCanary 455]

4 hours ago, FenwayFrank said:

All he does is support every decision 

no he does not

[CANARYKING 634]

Graham Scott today, doesn’t bode well

[Newtopia 517]

16 hours ago, The Raptor said:

I get annoyed when stewards rush on to escort the ref off the pitch at the end of the game. Particularly when he's had a poor game. If I screwed up at work there would be consequences. It's seems not for them.

Really, if the referee feels intimidated, surely they deserve to feel safe, and they shouldn’t be accused of bias.  Every ref has to make decisions almost every fan and coach watches the game through their own teams view, and would make different decisions on a several incidents in each game.  They have to make a judgement, and it is ultimately their judgement matters.  They certainly need support otherwise who is going to choose to be a ref?  Especially when they get paid a tiny fraction of what the players get paid.