Cantwell ready for Brighton

[lake district canary 4,531]

49 minutes ago, 1902 said:

50 minutes ago, Jim Smith said:

Sounds like we are agreed then. If we play the 3-5-2 then it needs to be Gilmour or Todd for one of PLM or Kenny and Tzolis/Rashica/Todd for Sargent?

I fear we will see the same team as Burnley. I will not be happy if so. 

This is exactly my feeling.

It was a good team.

Imo Tzolis and Rashica have not yet proved worthy of a start yet and it could be that they stake their claim to a start, from the bench.  Gilmour will need to be assessed fitness wise after a strenuous couple of weeks and may be rested for this one and Cantwell cannot be fully match fit after his break, so a repeat of the Burnley line up is a logical place to start - with developing it through the match with subs, ending the match with Rashica/Tzolis/Cantwell all on the pitch.

Start strong and get stronger.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

4 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

It was a good team.

Imo Tzolis and Rashica have not yet proved worthy of a start yet and it could be that they stake their claim to a start, from the bench.  Gilmour will need to be assessed fitness wise after a strenuous couple of weeks and may be rested for this one and Cantwell cannot be fully match fit after his break, so a repeat of the Burnley line up is a logical place to start - with developing it through the match with subs, ending the match with Rashica/Tzolis/Cantwell all on the pitch.

Start strong and get stronger.

We don't ever develop anything through the match. Farke does not appear capable of it, at least not at the right time anyway. 

Putting out that starting line up for a home game v Brighton will in my view be hugely negative and disappointing.

[ron obvious 1,501]

The defence has to be tightened. A sound defence is a sine qua non in this division; without it our relegation is guaranteed.

Fixing the defence is what Farke had to do in his first season. He did it, & built the platform for our subsequent success. If you think he'd be happy settling for 0-0 (at best) every week then you haven't been watching. But when you're shipping 2 goals or more every match your main priority has to be to stop conceding.

I don't think the formation is really the issue anyway. It's having the attitude that we must first do everything to stop the opposition scoring before we can progress with our own attacking moves that is important, & that's what we demonstrated at Burnley.

Once we've regained some confidence then I think you'll find Daniel will be more flexible in his formations. We will improve. Have patience.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

9 hours ago, ron obvious said:

The defence has to be tightened. A sound defence is a sine qua non in this division; without it our relegation is guaranteed.

Fixing the defence is what Farke had to do in his first season. He did it, & built the platform for our subsequent success. If you think he'd be happy settling for 0-0 (at best) every week then you haven't been watching. But when you're shipping 2 goals or more every match your main priority has to be to stop conceding.

I don't think the formation is really the issue anyway. It's having the attitude that we must first do everything to stop the opposition scoring before we can progress with our own attacking moves that is important, & that's what we demonstrated at Burnley.

Once we've regained some confidence then I think you'll find Daniel will be more flexible in his formations. We will improve. Have patience.

We haven’t got time to wait another two months whilst we grind out a few 0-0s. We have winnable home games coming up snd we have to try and win them. After the excuses were laid in his press conference yesterday I fully expect the same team as at Burnley to run out today and whilst I obviously hope I’m wrong, I think that would be a huge mistake. We don’t need to play 9 defensive players and purge the team of any pace or creativity in order to defend better. I got it at Burnley because we wanted to match them physically and needed to stop the rot but I will be hugely disappointed if we see the same today. 

[Petriix 2,834]

9 hours ago, ron obvious said:

The defence has to be tightened. A sound defence is a sine qua non in this division; without it our relegation is guaranteed.

Fixing the defence is what Farke had to do in his first season. He did it, & built the platform for our subsequent success. If you think he'd be happy settling for 0-0 (at best) every week then you haven't been watching. But when you're shipping 2 goals or more every match your main priority has to be to stop conceding.

I don't think the formation is really the issue anyway. It's having the attitude that we must first do everything to stop the opposition scoring before we can progress with our own attacking moves that is important, & that's what we demonstrated at Burnley.

Once we've regained some confidence then I think you'll find Daniel will be more flexible in his formations. We will improve. Have patience.

I agree with a lot of this. But I think the formation *is* important. We can play the 4-2-3-1 in a highly defensive way by getting the attacking players to start deeper and be more disciplined when we lose the ball.

By keeping the midfield tight, we can be really hard to break down. But, without the attacking players on the pitch, we can't hurt other teams.

I hope I'm wrong, but I don't see us winning a single game until we stop messing around with these negative formations and actually try to impose our own style on the pitch.

[Capt. Pants 4,202]

Expect a very hard game today, they won't be coming here for a point. We can learn a lot from Brighton as they also play 3-5-2 and it will be interesting to see how they retain possession and create chances.

In typical Farke tradition I would be surprised if Todd starts, but him, and possibly Gilmour, are players we need in top form if we are to survive.

[RugbyCanary 94]

Reading some very good points that are well written and discussed. Something stuck out for me 'we should try to impose how we play' this exactly.....we should we match teams up or try to nullify them. Let's try to play our game on them! Let them try to break us down. I'm not saying gung ho all out against Liverpool, city. But against teams like Watford, Newcastle....we can play our game and win I believe! Attack (sometimes) is the best defense

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

53 minutes ago, Capt. Pants said:

Expect a very hard game today, they won't be coming here for a point. We can learn a lot from Brighton as they also play 3-5-2 and it will be interesting to see how they retain possession and create chances.

In typical Farke tradition I would be surprised if Todd starts, but him, and possibly Gilmour, are players we need in top form if we are to survive.

I for one can't wait for our resident 'you finishing bottom again hahahaahahahahahahahahahahah' Brighton fan to appear again on here the second when/if we lose to them..

Edited October 16, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[Samwam27 519]

If we stick with 3-5-2, which I suspect we will, I'd like to see

Krul

Hanley Kabak Gibson

Aarons Normann PLM Gilmour Gian

 Pukki Cantwell

Normann & Gilmour to provide a bit of creativity, and PLM to add physical defensive support. Allows you to bring on Tzolis, Rash, Sargent to freshen things up, but wish Farke would learn to bring them on earlier. No point in 88 min cameo's

[Deptford Yellow 258]

Toddy to score the winning goal today !

[Yelloow Since 72 54]

31 minutes ago, Samwam27 said:

If we stick with 3-5-2, which I suspect we will, I'd like to see

Krul

Hanley Kabak Gibson

Aarons Normann PLM Gilmour Gian

 Pukki Cantwell

Normann & Gilmour to provide a bit of creativity, and PLM to add physical defensive support. Allows you to bring on Tzolis, Rash, Sargent to freshen things up, but wish Farke would learn to bring them on earlier. No point in 88 min cameo's

Agree with the lineup but would keep Normann in the centre as he's the specialist DM. He's shown that he can contribute to the attack from there while still screening the defence when they have the ball. His ability to do both is vital to our chances of success this season. If Gilmour is considered fit enough to start then he may replace Lees-Melou rather than McLean, who is our only left-footed midfielder and can also cover defensively when needed.

Brighton also use a 3-5-2 and have achieved 6th place doing so. It also allows us to play two strikers while evening up the midfield. This is not the time to go gung ho.

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

On 14/10/2021 at 16:59, Greavsy said:

Looking at the initials on his jacket it can only be one person. 

@Van wink😉 

If I were Lotus I would be upset that VW is also on our kit

[Greavsy 2,412]

1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said:

If I were Lotus I would be upset that VW is also on our kit

Well played KGD sir. 

[ron obvious 1,501]

3 hours ago, Jim Smith said:

We haven’t got time to wait another two months whilst we grind out a few 0-0s. We have winnable home games coming up snd we have to try and win them. After the excuses were laid in his press conference yesterday I fully expect the same team as at Burnley to run out today and whilst I obviously hope I’m wrong, I think that would be a huge mistake. We don’t need to play 9 defensive players and purge the team of any pace or creativity in order to defend better. I got it at Burnley because we wanted to match them physically and needed to stop the rot but I will be hugely disappointed if we see the same today. 

Neither can we go another 2 months losing 2 or 3 nil every week. As I said I don't think it's a question of formation so much as attitude; previously we just looked to be waiting for the inevitable every week, against Burnley we defended like tigers, especially during the initial onslaught. 

All good teams defend as a team when under the cosh, & you need forwards willing (& able) to tackle back & get stuck in when the situation demands it. They then need other attributes - athleticism, skill, guile etc. - to get the attack going again. And, likewise, having a player like Kabak who can storm up the field is a huge bonus, having defenders who can attack is as beneficial to team performance as attackers who can defend. The ability to do the unexpected thing & catch the opposition unawares is priceless.

But this needs time, learning how your team members work is not an instantaneous process. Give it some time.

[Jim Smith 2,314]

22 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

Neither can we go another 2 months losing 2 or 3 nil every week. As I said I don't think it's a question of formation so much as attitude; previously we just looked to be waiting for the inevitable every week, against Burnley we defended like tigers, especially during the initial onslaught. 

All good teams defend as a team when under the cosh, & you need forwards willing (& able) to tackle back & get stuck in when the situation demands it. They then need other attributes - athleticism, skill, guile etc. - to get the attack going again. And, likewise, having a player like Kabak who can storm up the field is a huge bonus, having defenders who can attack is as beneficial to team performance as attackers who can defend. The ability to do the unexpected thing & catch the opposition unawares is priceless.

But this needs time, learning how your team members work is not an instantaneous process. Give it some time.

That’s all fine and I don’t disagree at all but if we do not play a couple of more creative players we will not win games. I don’t mind the formation but it needs more attacking threat 

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

Nevermind then not even on the teamsheet..

[Ken Hairy 3,760]

Not even in the squad. 

[Petriix 2,834]

Unbelievable. This is an admission of defeat before we've kicked a ball. So negative.

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

Just now, Petriix said:

Unbelievable. This is an admission of defeat before we've kicked a ball. So negative.

No it isn’t. And no it isn’t.

[cambridgeshire canary 6,680]

3 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

Not even in the squad. 

Heard he's been spotted in Nandos in Leeds 😉

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

I don’t know the reason he’s not included but Farke will not have kept him out lightly (same as last year with him and Emi). No one is more important than the club (and Todd’s been pretty awful this season when he’s played) and he has to earn the right, in more than just ability, to start any game

[keelansgrandad 6,679]

1 minute ago, Fiery Zac said:

I don’t know the reason he’s not included but Farke will not have kept him out lightly (same as last year with him and Emi). No one is more important than the club (and Todd’s been pretty awful this season when he’s played) and he has to earn the right, in more than just ability, to start any game

He can't earn it if he isn't in the squad.

[TheBaldOne66 681]

There’s been a lot worse performers than Todd this season but as always Farke picks them. It’s such a negative team for a home game!

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

6 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said:

He can't earn it if he isn't in the squad.

Best he earns the right to be in the squad first then. 

[curious yellow 184]

18 minutes ago, Fiery Zac said:

I don’t know the reason he’s not included but Farke will not have kept him out lightly (same as last year with him and Emi). No one is more important than the club (and Todd’s been pretty awful this season when he’s played) and he has to earn the right, in more than just ability, to start any game

He's out for fitness reasons. He's been nowhere near awful. 

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

2 hours ago, curious yellow said:

He's out for fitness reasons. He's been nowhere near awful. 

In your opinion. Fair enough. I think he has.
 

He wouldn’t have hassled and worked as hard as Sargent did today. The open goal opportunity wouldn’t even have been presented to Todd because he’s not that sort of player. Playing in the midfield 3 (as some have suggested) would have been suicidal.

in my opinion 

[ron obvious 1,501]

Something very odd about Todd this season. When he's played he's begun like he doesn't give a monkey's, then perks up a bit after ten minutes or so. I don't think he's a happy bunny (or pony, as my wife likens him to).

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

12 minutes ago, ron obvious said:

Something very odd about Todd this season. When he's played he's begun like he doesn't give a monkey's, then perks up a bit after ten minutes or so. I don't think he's a happy bunny (or pony, as my wife likens him to).

Agreed. He just hadn’t been fully committed. And we cant afford to carry anyone that isn’t 100% buying into our way of playing.

The 11 today all worked their socks off and never gave up.

We need Todd’s creativity and goal threat but fitting him in somewhere is becoming a conundrum

[curious yellow 184]

26 minutes ago, Fiery Zac said:

Agreed. He just hadn’t been fully committed. And we cant afford to carry anyone that isn’t 100% buying into our way of playing.

The 11 today all worked their socks off and never gave up.

We need Todd’s creativity and goal threat but fitting him in somewhere is becoming a conundrum

You can run around as much as you like but you need to convert simple chances. Awful finishing. 

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

7 minutes ago, curious yellow said:

You can run around as much as you like but you need to convert simple chances. Awful finishing. 

I fully agree. Based on his season so far, I don’t think Todd being in there would have made any difference. 

Edited October 16, 2021 by Fiery Zac