Serious question, if we had a gay player...

[The Real Buh 3,432]

Just now, Baracouda said:

They should be investgated and banned. Sure they break all data laws in uk, all uk data stored outside of country i believe. Facebook had a 'study' where they change peoples private messaged to see what response people would give. 

They use the same addiction engineers that are used in casinos.

they market directly to children

its sick, and people are wasting their lives on there.

[chicken 2,624]

1 minute ago, The Real Buh said:

The pinkun may have had a facelift but works in essentially the same way as it did 15 years ago or whenever it started

the bottom line is, people who spend all day on social media, they are losers. It’s a waste of human life.

In your opinion... which is a pretty extreme one.

[The Real Buh 3,432]

1 minute ago, chicken said:

Yes, and yes. 

Racial and homophobic hate crime is on the rise and this is reflected in football too.

https://www.kickitout.org/news/discrimination-in-football-on-the-rise
https://theconversation.com/racist-abuse-at-football-games-is-increasing-home-office-says-but-the-sports-race-problem-goes-much-deeper-124467
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jan/30/football-related-racist-incidents-sharp-rise-police-kick-it-out
https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/football-racist-indecent-chanting-increase-201920-season-despite-coronavirus-a4555241.html
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-soccer-idUSKBN25V1NI

And there are sadly, many, many more articles that share the similar findings. 

Is it on the rise or is it higher profile now and being reported more? 
 

this doesn’t discount the need to continue to fight discrimination by the way, I just don’t buy on the whole we are discriminating more now than say the 70’s/80’s, it was just nobody was reporting it.

by the way, everyone, continue to report it.

[The Real Buh 3,432]

1 minute ago, chicken said:

In your opinion... which is a pretty extreme one.

If you quit it you’d feel better

or maybe you can’t quit

[chicken 2,624]

10 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

I dont see the link from FB to forums per se, I have never been on, and never will be on FB. Just cant see the point. 

I do, obviously frequent this forum, and have a twitter / Insta account, albeit with very limit public posts on the latter two.  

Instagram is owned and run by Facebook.

You may not see the link, but it's there. Before facebook in 2004, the way for people to meet other like minded people for various different things from mum's and baby/toddler groups, football supporter groups, walking groups etc etc etc were forums. Forums were mainly the places to join and meet people who shared something in common with you. Some services had multiple forums for different things but you only needed one profile - so you could be a member of multiple groups.

They were a thriving hubbub of activity and interaction.

The only other thing that was about in the early 2000's before facebook and the like were messenger services like yahoo, Microsoft messenger and one or two others. They had chat-rooms for real time interaction with multiple people.

Facebook merely combined a lot of that and added a little bit more. It wasn't even a particularly original idea. US Universities had "face book" programs already which were a directory. 

[NFN FC 1,123]

In response to the OP. Yes, yes and yes. 

I'd tell them that the fans would be behind them. There'd be a backlash on social media (from the knuckle daggers) but overall there'd be more support than hate. 

[chicken 2,624]

6 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

If you quit it you’d feel better

or maybe you can’t quit

Perhaps you should try baring a little less resentment, you'd feel better.

Or maybe you can't?

[The Real Buh 3,432]

Just now, chicken said:

Perhaps you should try baring a little less resentment, you'd feel better.

Or maybe you can't?

You can quit any time, yeah?

spoken like a true addict.

[NFN FC 1,123]

Real Buh is right though. Social media is a toxic cesspit 

[The Real Buh 3,432]

1 minute ago, NFN FC said:

Real Buh is right though. Social media is a toxic cesspit 

It really is, and now it’s a case of people have to “stand their ground” because of discrimination 

no, leave, leave and have a better life and leave the wasters on there laughing at TikTok videos. Brain Dead.

[chicken 2,624]

8 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

Is it on the rise or is it higher profile now and being reported more? 
 

this doesn’t discount the need to continue to fight discrimination by the way, I just don’t buy on the whole we are discriminating more now than say the 70’s/80’s, it was just nobody was reporting it.

by the way, everyone, continue to report it.

Ah, ok. No. I don't think any of those articles are saying that racism is worse than say the 70's/80's, just as back then I am pretty sure people weren't arguing that it was better than during Queen Victoria's reign.

This is more a reflection of recent times and how there has been an increase in recent years. In general, there has been a rise in those sorts of crimes since a certain event a few years ago, which I can't mention as it is political and people don't like that. Whether or not it is linked to that or not is another debate.

Does it have a higher profile now? Is it being reported more? Virtually impossible to say. However, I somehow doubt that reporting of it at football matches has increased for those reasons. In public in general yes - but not at football games which have been relatively hotly policed in that regard for quite some time. After all, the FA can hardly criticise supporters of foreign domestic and international teams if they aren't seen to be keeping on top of it in their own back yard.

[The Real Buh 3,432]

1 minute ago, chicken said:

Ah, ok. No. I don't think any of those articles are saying that racism is worse than say the 70's/80's, just as back then I am pretty sure people weren't arguing that it was better than during Queen Victoria's reign.

This is more a reflection of recent times and how there has been an increase in recent years. In general, there has been a rise in those sorts of crimes since a certain event a few years ago, which I can't mention as it is political and people don't like that. Whether or not it is linked to that or not is another debate.

Does it have a higher profile now? Is it being reported more? Virtually impossible to say. However, I somehow doubt that reporting of it at football matches has increased for those reasons. In public in general yes - but not at football games which have been relatively hotly policed in that regard for quite some time. After all, the FA can hardly criticise supporters of foreign domestic and international teams if they aren't seen to be keeping on top of it in their own back yard.

There’s also multiple avenues in which you can report now which has to have an impact on numbers.

more is better because then rate of change can be quantified 

[chicken 2,624]

3 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

Real Buh is right though. Social media is a toxic cesspit 

It can be a toxic cesspit. It doesn't have to be.

Being a toxic cesspit isn't exclusive to social media nor does anything have to be one to qualify as social media.

Think of it another way. The internet back in the late '90's and early 00's was still something a lot of people were accessing as a relatively new technology. Mobile phones, laptops/netbooks and tablets... hell, even watches, did not have the access that they do now.

The biggest problem with the internet is people. People who were ignored or shunned in society found somewhere their voice could be found by other likeminded people. Information sharing is instant, or very damned close to instant. It all happens in real time now. Where as before, those with extreme views actually had to expend some energy to meet up with someone else with the same views, it's now a few clicks away.

It's dangerous - yes, it's open to abuse - of course, but it does have it's positives too. Helping hand groups throughout the pandemic have helped keep people going. My local village helped to look after the elderly and shielding in that way. Before folks had to have numbers or addresses to call/write to. They could ask for simple things like a pint of milk and be helped out.

I do think that education needs to be increased in regards to social media. Use of things like blocks, reporting bullying and harassment. But yes, much tougher laws as well. The only reason we haven't got them yet is really because it'll take international cooperation to put them together and enforce them. And then you venture into realms of the corrupt etc and we stray way beyond TVB's OP and the intent of the question he posed.

[Mr Angry 1,555]

9 minutes ago, NFN FC said:

Real Buh is right though. Social media is a toxic cesspit 

It’s quite easy to use social media without getting drawn into the cesspit. I’m on Twitter, Instagram and Reddit and I’m very careful about who I follow.

[chicken 2,624]

5 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

There’s also multiple avenues in which you can report now which has to have an impact on numbers.

more is better because then rate of change can be quantified 

I don't think there are drastically more avenues you can report now than say, ten years ago. These articles aren't talking about comparing statistics to that long ago, they'll likely be year on year.

[NFN FC 1,123]

3 minutes ago, chicken said:

It can be a toxic cesspit. It doesn't have to be.

Being a toxic cesspit isn't exclusive to social media nor does anything have to be one to qualify as social media.

Think of it another way. The internet back in the late '90's and early 00's was still something a lot of people were accessing as a relatively new technology. Mobile phones, laptops/netbooks and tablets... hell, even watches, did not have the access that they do now.

The biggest problem with the internet is people. People who were ignored or shunned in society found somewhere their voice could be found by other likeminded people. Information sharing is instant, or very damned close to instant. It all happens in real time now. Where as before, those with extreme views actually had to expend some energy to meet up with someone else with the same views, it's now a few clicks away.

It's dangerous - yes, it's open to abuse - of course, but it does have it's positives too. Helping hand groups throughout the pandemic have helped keep people going. My local village helped to look after the elderly and shielding in that way. Before folks had to have numbers or addresses to call/write to. They could ask for simple things like a pint of milk and be helped out.

I do think that education needs to be increased in regards to social media. Use of things like blocks, reporting bullying and harassment. But yes, much tougher laws as well. The only reason we haven't got them yet is really because it'll take international cooperation to put them together and enforce them. And then you venture into realms of the corrupt etc and we stray way beyond TVB's OP and the intent of the question he posed.

I'm not talking about individuals that spout hate but the wider picture of what makes it tick over. It's literally rigged up to cause divide. Algorithms designed to keep you hooked. 

Yes we have ventured off the OP 

[dsr-burnley 25]

To be fair, the two seasons before he came out, Fashanu had been playing for the Edmonton Brick Men, an unsuccessful team in the Canadian Soccer league.  His career really went downhill with that bad knee injury two years earlier.

[The Real Buh 3,432]

>when I see somebody supporting social media

[The Real Buh 3,432]

7 hours ago, Mr Angry said:

It’s quite easy to use social media without getting drawn into the cesspit. I’m on Twitter, Instagram and Reddit and I’m very careful about who I follow.

[robert choice 24]

11 hours ago, The Real Buh said:

The pinkun may have had a facelift but works in essentially the same way as it did 15 years ago or whenever it started

the bottom line is, people who spend all day on social media, they are losers. It’s a waste of human life.

Saucebox.

[robert choice 24]

The trouble is that this country lost it's sense of humour and the snowflakes have made 'gayness' an angry crusade. Just look at film, music, television and entertainment these days and judge whether being a homosexual holds people back. Clearly it doesn't and nor would it a talented footballer.

 

The troubling thing is, do we want team selections one day to consider such matters?

[Mello Yello 2,289]

11 hours ago, NFN FC said:

In response to the OP. Yes, yes and yes. 

I'd tell them that the fans would be behind them. There'd be a backlash on social media (from the knuckle daggers) but overall there'd be more support than hate. 

....This type of knuckle daggers?.....

[NFN FC 1,123]

25 minutes ago, Mello Yello said:

....This type of knuckle daggers?.....

🤣🤣🤣🤣

No I meant draggers. Could you imagine knuckle draggers with knuckle daggers? Absolute carnage! 

[Chelm Canary 404]

I would say to come out yeah. Lead the way. 

I would definitely advise to come off social media. It's generally a draw for the those with a lower than average IQ.

Edited October 4, 2021 by Chelm Canary

[Midlands Yellow 3,980]

We recently had a trans resident move to our our unit (not the same I know) Stares and a few giggles occurred in the first few days but very quickly this evaporated. Friendships and tolerance quickly followed with zero staff intervention. I hope any gay players feel confident to come out sooner rather than later but ultimately it’s their decision. 

[CirclePoint 200]

17 hours ago, The Real Buh said:

If a Norwich player comes out as gay as a fanbase I’m betting we will go above and beyond to protect them.

I honestly believe it would bring our fanbase together

I agree. But the question was, would you look that player in the eye and recto end that they come out in public?

[robert choice 24]

The problem is he would never be dropped for fear of the Twitter storm that would follow.

 

 

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

17 hours ago, The Real Buh said:

They use the same addiction engineers that are used in casinos.

they market directly to children

its sick, and people are wasting their lives on there.

Twitter and Facebook have been in decline in the West for ages, so clearly aren't doing a very good job. Instagram beginning to turn people off now as well, and Snapchat well past peak. Only one Gen Z are crazy about is TikTok. 

Also, you have to be at least 13 to have a facebook or twitter account. Yes, they are "children", but I find the adverts aimed at 4 year olds on TinyPop to be far more offensive. 

Facebook and Instagram do not target ads to under 18s in the same way that they serve ads to adults. To adults they take into consideration their search/browsing history and interests (all the scary algorithm/AI stuff you are on about), with kids it only takes into consideration age, gender and location. It is no different from a cinema chain approving an ad to be shown in the UK to an audience of a film with a PG rating. Not the slightest bit scary when you look at it like that. Go and watch a PG film and you won't find ads for alcohol or trailers for films rated 18. 

I guess just like gambling a minority develop a gambling problem, most have the self control to moderate their usage and the damage that it does to their lives, just as with alcohol, and I guess recreational drugs, and fast food etc. 

I'm guessing by your committed activism and passionate and emotive posts that you found social media very damaging, I sympathise but most people don't allow it to take over / consume their lives, I personally check my facebook once or twice a week and very few of my several hundred connections ever post anything.There are perhaps half a dozen social butterflies who seem to post daily. 

Facebook as it looks today is, in my opinion, far less dangerous from a safeguarding perspective than Myspace, which put all your info out there for the whole world. Facebook privacy settings give you full control over who sees your posts. I can even group a proportion of my friends into a group called 'relatives' and choose to just show a post to those people. 

Can't help but feel that you are conveying what social media was like perhaps 5 years ago, when the world was mad for it, generation Z aren't interested in facebook, twitter, or pinterest. 

[Mr Angry 1,555]

To be honest, the likelihood of a gay player asking my opinion about whether or not they should come out is pretty remote and if one did, how could I possibly know what to tell him? I’ve never experienced the kind of treatment that members of the LGBT community get on a regular basis so what would I base my recommendation on? There’s a saying about walking a mile in someone else’s shoes that sums it up for me.

[TeemuVanBasten 3,327]

1 minute ago, Mr Angry said:

To be honest, the likelihood of a gay player asking my opinion about whether or not they should come out is pretty remote and if one did, how could I possibly know what to tell him? I’ve never experienced the kind of treatment that members of the LGBT community get on a regular basis so what would I base my recommendation on? There’s a saying about walking a mile in someone else’s shoes that sums it up for me.

Well I would strongly recommend that you don't walk anywhere in somebody else's shoes, because you might catch a fungal infection or something, shoes are not for sharing.