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Just reading about the reluctance from PL players to take the Covid vaccination, and it made me ponder about the Norwich players.

Have our players taken the vaccination or are they also refusing? Perhaps this is why preseason was hit badly?! 
 

Just wondering.

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15 minutes ago, yellow_belly said:

Hi,

Just reading about the reluctance from PL players to take the Covid vaccination, and it made me ponder about the Norwich players.

Have our players taken the vaccination or are they also refusing? Perhaps this is why preseason was hit badly?! 
 

Just wondering.

Vacinnes don't stop you getting the virus, just reduces the impact. 

Privileged footballer again, you have to prove you're double jabbed / negative test to attend a game, but some of the players aren't bothering. Typical. 

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Just how unwell some of our players became over the summer suggests to me that not all were jabbed.  I admit to being a vaccine fascist but if you don't have it one during a pandemic then you are extremely selfish, frankly.

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Thanks. Not beating up the players. Just intrigued and surprised that many footballers haven’t taken the vaccine but most of the population has. Strange. I thought that the percentage would be similar to the population…!

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Placheta may have done his career a world of harm if he is suffering from long covid. As an international sportsman in a game which tests the cardiovascular system, I'd have been begging for a vaccine as soon as I could get one.

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1 hour ago, yellow_belly said:

Thanks. Not beating up the players. Just intrigued and surprised that many footballers haven’t taken the vaccine but most of the population has. Strange. I thought that the percentage would be similar to the population…!

Footballers just confirming they are a different breed to the rest of society and the rules / guidance doesn't apply to them

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I could be wrong, but wasn't there a load of fuss because professional footballers were getting offered the vaccine before some of the age groups? 

I'd like to think that most of our players have been vaccined, as 1902 has said above, Placheta has been seriously hampered by the virus and it could completely derail his career if he can't get his fitness levels back. Also Steipi was struggling with it as well. The vaccines don't necessarily stop you getting long Covid either, but I've seen that studies suggest it can reduce the risk by up to 50%. Why would you not want that on your side? 

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28 minutes ago, AJ said:

I could be wrong, but wasn't there a load of fuss because professional footballers were getting offered the vaccine before some of the age groups? 

I'd like to think that most of our players have been vaccined, as 1902 has said above, Placheta has been seriously hampered by the virus and it could completely derail his career if he can't get his fitness levels back. Also Steipi was struggling with it as well. The vaccines don't necessarily stop you getting long Covid either, but I've seen that studies suggest it can reduce the risk by up to 50%. Why would you not want that on your side? 

Because they are easily lead by the uninformed. Can't think of any other reason, or stupidity. 

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I wonder what the percentage is at the club. Wolves state that all of their team etc have taken the vaccination but Farke previously made comment that,

”In my opinion, significantly fewer Premier League players are likely to be vaccinated than is the case in the Bundesliga.”

At a guess, most NCFC players could not have taken the vaccine and, perhaps, that is why the squad got hit hard in pre season. 
 

Not sure if things changed after they got covid? But I doubt that it changed things.

Rather interesting.

 

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6 hours ago, yellow_belly said:

I wonder what the percentage is at the club. Wolves state that all of their team etc have taken the vaccination but Farke previously made comment that,

”In my opinion, significantly fewer Premier League players are likely to be vaccinated than is the case in the Bundesliga.”

At a guess, most NCFC players could not have taken the vaccine and, perhaps, that is why the squad got hit hard in pre season. 
 

Not sure if things changed after they got covid? But I doubt that it changed things.

Rather interesting.

 

We were Championship for the majority of the pandemic though, and his comments were about premier league players.

Vaccines don't stop serious covid full stop, they are about 97% or whatever the latest research says. As good as that sounds, and it everyone who can should be damnedwell having them, that 3% is still a lot of people. In the population of the UK, that is still 1.8m-ish folks. So before folks jump on any of our players who are or who have suffered from it for not having taken vaccines, perhaps hold your horses a bit.

Stiepermann was early last season, so he would have been before vaccinations were being first offered in Jan. Bearing in mind Placheta is relatively young, if offered the vaccine in line with his age group, it would have been the summer.

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6 hours ago, chicken said:

We were Championship for the majority of the pandemic though, and his comments were about premier league players.

Vaccines don't stop serious covid full stop, they are about 97% or whatever the latest research says. As good as that sounds, and it everyone who can should be damnedwell having them, that 3% is still a lot of people. In the population of the UK, that is still 1.8m-ish folks. So before folks jump on any of our players who are or who have suffered from it for not having taken vaccines, perhaps hold your horses a bit.

Stiepermann was early last season, so he would have been before vaccinations were being first offered in Jan. Bearing in mind Placheta is relatively young, if offered the vaccine in line with his age group, it would have been the summer.

Wasn't jumping on him, just being realistic, also it's kind of a fact that it might have, very sadly, damaged his career.

It's possible that Placheta got serious covid whilst vaccinated, but it's also highly unlikely in someone his age and in good health. 

It may of course be he didn't have the option before contracting it as well, this is true, but he was in Poland for part of the summer wasn't he? He would have probably had the option to get it done there.

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Whatever your views on the vaccine (I’m double jabbed, I’ve got a life to lead) “famous people”, be that footballers, movie stars etc are basically letting the poor people take the vaccine and then seeing how it goes. That’s the reality of the situation.

If you’ve got enough money you can afford to do this. If you work for a living, gets very tricky to justify not having the jab.

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18 hours ago, Greavsy said:

Because they are easily lead by the uninformed. Can't think of any other reason, or stupidity. 

Judging by your previous ( now deleted) comments on another thread, are the comments about people being uninformed and stupid ironic?

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It's against human rights to MAKE people have a jab to do things. It's not law but they will certainly try by manipulating facts and figures. 7.84m cases, 137k deaths. That is such a low amount really, dont really hear of anybody having flu now. All jump on the covid bandwagon. This whole covid passport, vaccination, booster jab is all getting on my tetteys. If you want the jab then go for it  if you don't then it's people like me who choose not to have it, doesn't make us selfish. I'd rather someone elderly and worried have a jab instead of a 29 year old with a good immune system have it. 

This may not sit well with majority on here and I don't want to make an argument over it.

On another note, let's get 3 points today. OTBC 💛💚

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Players who don’t get vaccinated and then contract Covid-19 so cannot play should not be paid for the period they are unavailable. They would be in breach if their contracts of employment that tacitly imply that you are available to do the job you are being paid to do. This later point was made to me by a barrister specialising in employment law. 

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6 hours ago, 1902 said:

Wasn't jumping on him, just being realistic, also it's kind of a fact that it might have, very sadly, damaged his career.

It's possible that Placheta got serious covid whilst vaccinated, but it's also highly unlikely in someone his age and in good health. 

It may of course be he didn't have the option before contracting it as well, this is true, but he was in Poland for part of the summer wasn't he? He would have probably had the option to get it done there.

Probably not, Poland's rollout was far worse than the UK.

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14 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

Players who don’t get vaccinated and then contract Covid-19 so cannot play should not be paid for the period they are unavailable. They would be in breach if their contracts of employment that tacitly imply that you are available to do the job you are being paid to do. This later point was made to me by a barrister specialising in employment law. 

But if they have signed a contract before then they should get paid.

Theoretically what you're saying is, if a player breaks his/her leg, they shouldn't get paid as its not in contracts to break bones?

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19 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

Players who don’t get vaccinated and then contract Covid-19 so cannot play should not be paid for the period they are unavailable. They would be in breach if their contracts of employment that tacitly imply that you are available to do the job you are being paid to do. This later point was made to me by a barrister specialising in employment law. 

Would be an interesting court case, not sure how good your Barrister is. He is arguing that a company can refuse to pay you for normal flu, if you don't take the flu jab or any other medical condition that has a vaccine and in doing, the said company would be  forcing employees to take it and would be liable for any medical issues that arise from taking the vaccine.  

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3 minutes ago, Ward 3 said:

But if they have signed a contract before then they should get paid.

Theoretically what you're saying is, if a player breaks his/her leg, they shouldn't get paid as its not in contracts to break bones?

Braking a limb is an accident, not getting vaccinated is a wilful decision and thus makes the player vicariously liable.

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Both sides of the vaccine “debate” (the pro and anti vaxxers are just so cringey and the people in the middle that just want to live their lives, we wish you’d eat eachother.

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26 minutes ago, Crafty Canary said:

Braking a limb is an accident, not getting vaccinated is a wilful decision and thus makes the player vicariously liable.

Playing the sport is a wilful decision which makes players and clubs liable too then??

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2 minutes ago, The Real Buh said:

Both sides of the vaccine “debate” (the pro and anti vaxxers are just so cringey and the people in the middle that just want to live their lives, we wish you’d eat eachother.

There is no middle ground here.  You can't ignore it and just "live your lives".  A big part of the problem is those people that just want to live their lives and who - vaccinated or not - can still pass the virus around and affect other people's well being. 

Basically, there are people who don't - or won't - think about that side of it and would rather just carry on as if there was nothing to worry about.

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1 hour ago, TheGunnShow said:

Probably not, Poland's rollout was far worse than the UK.

Not by the summer it wasn't, the early roll out was more delayed but by June most EU countries were vaccinating younger people than the UK. That was partly because the EU received a huge boost to supply from Pfizer in May and June and partly because slightly lower vaccine uptake in older generations meant that they moved faster through the age ranges.

Hence the fact that I was double vaccinated in Belgium earlier than any of my friends of the same age in the UK. (Im 30, I had both by 23 June). 

Poland was a particularly interesting case as it was one of the most efficient countries in terms of administration, the delay between recieving vaccines and getting them in arms was very low and had low vaccine uptake. He would have been able to be vaccinated in Poland before the UK without a shadow of a doubt.

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7 hours ago, 1902 said:

Wasn't jumping on him, just being realistic, also it's kind of a fact that it might have, very sadly, damaged his career.

It's possible that Placheta got serious covid whilst vaccinated, but it's also highly unlikely in someone his age and in good health. 

It may of course be he didn't have the option before contracting it as well, this is true, but he was in Poland for part of the summer wasn't he? He would have probably had the option to get it done there.

You need to stop using the "highly unlikely" as an argument point. Improbably, but possible, and until you know the facts this is all assumption and conjecture. We don't know - and it is unfair to suggest otherwise.

As I pointed out - the percentages exist and that still represents the best part of 2m people. Now you are stretching to Poland having administered it to him. Why not have a look at the statistics for Poland and come back with the info? Europe were behind the UK in terms of vaccinations at that point I believe. But again, we don't know.

There could be players in our squad who have declined the vaccine and not fell ill due to natural resilience. One of the fittest people I work with who regularly goes to the gym and goes on runs etc was hit with it and long covid more than anyone else I work with. No underlying conditions. It impacts upon people differently.

And to be honest, I am not really sure of the goal of arguing this other than to criticise players for having the same choices as everyone else. 

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35 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

There is no middle ground here.  You can't ignore it and just "live your lives".  A big part of the problem is those people that just want to live their lives and who - vaccinated or not - can still pass the virus around and affect other people's well being. 

Basically, there are people who don't - or won't - think about that side of it and would rather just carry on as if there was nothing to worry about.

You sound like a maniac

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9 minutes ago, chicken said:

You need to stop using the "highly unlikely" as an argument point. Improbably, but possible, and until you know the facts this is all assumption and conjecture. We don't know - and it is unfair to suggest otherwise.

As I pointed out - the percentages exist and that still represents the best part of 2m people. Now you are stretching to Poland having administered it to him. Why not have a look at the statistics for Poland and come back with the info? Europe were behind the UK in terms of vaccinations at that point I believe. But again, we don't know.

There could be players in our squad who have declined the vaccine and not fell ill due to natural resilience. One of the fittest people I work with who regularly goes to the gym and goes on runs etc was hit with it and long covid more than anyone else I work with. No underlying conditions. It impacts upon people differently.

And to be honest, I am not really sure of the goal of arguing this other than to criticise players for having the same choices as everyone else. 

Yeah fair enough. I didn't intend to blame him for his misfortune and it was unfair to imply it was self inflicted.

I stand by my point on Poland though, it was easier to be vaccinated in your mid 20s in Poland by the summer than the UK. This was because supply had caught up with the UK but loads of people in their 40 to 60s turned it down. That's not propaganda, that's just maths and was a trend seen across the EU bar in exceptionally high uptake countries like Portugal.

My partner's jobs was literally to track these statistics, so Im not just talking out my ****.

 

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Fair does, I had just looked up the percentages. Either way, there isn't really a point to this thread... IMHO. It's possible he caught it from another player who hadn't vaccinated, or an opposition team that had unvaccinated players in it. Not to mention it takes time for the vaccination to get to work. So who knows. I just feel for him, as I do Stiepermann. It's horrible and I wouldn't wish it upon anyone.

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2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

There is no middle ground here.  You can't ignore it and just "live your lives".  A big part of the problem is those people that just want to live their lives and who - vaccinated or not - can still pass the virus around and affect other people's well being. 

Basically, there are people who don't - or won't - think about that side of it and would rather just carry on as if there was nothing to worry about.

What a load of waffle 

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There is no legal obligation to have the vaccine...however those who do choose not to have it, also have to accept that there will be some things that will exclude you from participating in.

 

Playing professional football should be one of those things and it looks like it will be a requirement to be vaccinated to enter Qatar and thus play in the World Cup in December 2022.

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