PurpleCanary 5,557 Posted September 19, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Monty13 said: Those clubs have presumably also paid those managers basketcase amounts though Purple? I’m assuming Farke is the lowest or very close to the lowest paid manager in the PL. Possibly. I don't know. But the reality, no matter how this season is going, or goes, is that the fundamentals at Norwich City are extremely strong and attractive to any would-be manager. Stable ownership, a solid financial position, owning the ground and the training ground, a Category A academy, a reputation with other clubs are being a great place to send young talent etc etc etc. Just to add, if anything the willingness or otherwise to work as a head coach with a sporting -director might be more of a limiting factor. Edited September 19, 2021 by PurpleCanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,231 Posted September 19, 2021 Just now, PurpleCanary said: Possibly. I don't know. But the reality, no matter how this season is going, or goes, is that the fundamentals at Norwich City are extremely strong and attractive to any would-be manager. Stable ownership, a solid financial position, owning the ground and the training ground, a Category A academy, a reputation with other clubs are being a great place to send young talent etc etc etc. Oh I 100% agree with your analysis, I just have a slight doubt whether we would attract an experienced top flight manager as they may want more money than the model provides and may not be comfortable with the limitations of their control that the model demands. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VillaFan 118 Posted September 19, 2021 Villa Fan in Peace... I have commented on this forum a few times and just popped in to see what the view is after yesterday's result. As a supporter on a club other than Norwich I can confidently say and I know this is the feeling of other non Norwich fans but we do not see you as a joke of a club. The view is that the club is reasonably well run but is happy to be a yoyo club and take the PL money every second year. The view would also be that Norwich should be a relatively easy 3 points. My own personal view is that Farke is not up to the job in the PL. I appreciate he has new players etc and is adapting to the PL but so too do every other club in the division including the clubs that Norwich are competing with for 17th or above. I wouldn't write off Farke yet if he hadn't had the experience of promotion 2 years ago. But he has been here and it appears he hasn't learned from it. And it is no much use saying it will come in time etc, you don't have the time. If you fall too far behind then there will be no way to come back. A few thoughts on some of the comments on this thread - I really do not like the reference to fans that complain about the situation being referred to as not real fans. It happens on all forums and I think it is about the biggest insult that could be dished out - Someone said that managers of Leeds, Brentford and Villa were better at adapting. There is probably something to this but equally none of Leeds, Brentford or Villa sold their best player on promotion. I appreciate this may be a sore point as it was Villa that bought Emi but cashing in on your best player at promotion is, imo, the wrong thing to do. Club's need to improve on quality and not reduce quality. Sarr for Watford showed first hand exactly why so yesterday - I can't understand why Farke doesn't get a defensive coach in. You look so fragile at the back and he needs help. All managers need specialist help and that is not a negative reflection on Farke. However, the fact hat he hasn't got the help he needs is a huge part of the reason why I think he needs to be replaced if Norwich want to spend more than 1 consecutive season in the PL Everton up next. Some of their fans are a little worried about this game. DCL and Richarlison are both confirmed to be out injured and Pickford is a major doubt. The are hurting after losing yesterday and the fans hate Rafa and could turn on him very quickly. There is hope for a decent result against them. Anyway, best of luck for the season and hopefully u will take 3 points against the Toffees 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said: Possibly. I don't know. But the reality, no matter how this season is going, or goes, is that the fundamentals at Norwich City are extremely strong and attractive to any would-be manager. Stable ownership, a solid financial position, owning the ground and the training ground, a Category A academy, a reputation with other clubs are being a great place to send young talent etc etc etc. I have to respectively disagree with the some of your post. The club's self funding model is built on sand. As we know, the majority shareholders do not invest or attract outside investment. This means realistically that we rely heavily on parachute money - though that may end or be restricted in the future - selling some of our best players and getting promoted in the first or second year of trying. If some or all of that does not work out, then the club is in trouble. I think it would be difficult to find a quality manager to work under the system. Many managers would not work under a D.o.F, but more importantly, working under the limitations of the self funding model. We would end up taking a punt on an up and coming European coach, as we did with Farke, but Norwich City as an attractive proposition? I'm not so sure. Our Academy is good and we have usually had a good reputation of bringing players on. but so have many other clubs too. What I do know is that the longer the club is starved of real investment and its limitations of the club and owners exposed at the highest level, we'll be looked at more as a parochial club that cannot make it at the highest level. That is why we must get it right this season, and that sadly is not happening at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted September 19, 2021 13 minutes ago, VillaFan said: Villa Fan in Peace... I have commented on this forum a few times and just popped in to see what the view is after yesterday's result. As a supporter on a club other than Norwich I can confidently say and I know this is the feeling of other non Norwich fans but we do not see you as a joke of a club. The view is that the club is reasonably well run but is happy to be a yoyo club and take the PL money every second year. The view would also be that Norwich should be a relatively easy 3 points. My own personal view is that Farke is not up to the job in the PL. I appreciate he has new players etc and is adapting to the PL but so too do every other club in the division including the clubs that Norwich are competing with for 17th or above. I wouldn't write off Farke yet if he hadn't had the experience of promotion 2 years ago. But he has been here and it appears he hasn't learned from it. And it is no much use saying it will come in time etc, you don't have the time. If you fall too far behind then there will be no way to come back. A few thoughts on some of the comments on this thread - I really do not like the reference to fans that complain about the situation being referred to as not real fans. It happens on all forums and I think it is about the biggest insult that could be dished out - Someone said that managers of Leeds, Brentford and Villa were better at adapting. There is probably something to this but equally none of Leeds, Brentford or Villa sold their best player on promotion. I appreciate this may be a sore point as it was Villa that bought Emi but cashing in on your best player at promotion is, imo, the wrong thing to do. Club's need to improve on quality and not reduce quality. Sarr for Watford showed first hand exactly why so yesterday - I can't understand why Farke doesn't get a defensive coach in. You look so fragile at the back and he needs help. All managers need specialist help and that is not a negative reflection on Farke. However, the fact hat he hasn't got the help he needs is a huge part of the reason why I think he needs to be replaced if Norwich want to spend more than 1 consecutive season in the PL Everton up next. Some of their fans are a little worried about this game. DCL and Richarlison are both confirmed to be out injured and Pickford is a major doubt. The are hurting after losing yesterday and the fans hate Rafa and could turn on him very quickly. There is hope for a decent result against them. Anyway, best of luck for the season and hopefully u will take 3 points against the Toffees Excellent post with some good points made. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Nawich Fann said: Come on you bed wetters , the win is coming, Burnley it will be.. Or is it just that Norwich fans prefer championship football ?? seriously ask yourselves that question cos you know who you are, you say it all the time, the blood and thunder of the Championship, Oh and at least we will get a win !!, looking at the fixtures Burnley and then ???. Celebrating your first win of the season are you? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted September 19, 2021 This goes round and round in circles. Those who are considered that awful phrase "happy clappers" see things differently from those considered with the equally awful phrase "pant wetters" are never going to agree. But both have season tickets so appreciate the same thing. So why can't we just say what we saw instead? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Monty13 said: Those clubs have presumably also paid those managers basketcase amounts though Purple? I’m assuming Farke is the lowest or very close to the lowest paid manager in the PL. He certainly will be if he relies on a win bonus to bring him up to a decent wage. He knows the score, its not good enough at the moment, can he turn it round? Idk. Should he be given until Christmas? I believe so. I only Boo lack of effort, not lack of quality or organisation. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,975 Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, VillaFan said: Villa Fan in Peace... I have commented on this forum a few times and just popped in to see what the view is after yesterday's result. As a supporter on a club other than Norwich I can confidently say and I know this is the feeling of other non Norwich fans but we do not see you as a joke of a club. The view is that the club is reasonably well run but is happy to be a yoyo club and take the PL money every second year. The view would also be that Norwich should be a relatively easy 3 points. My own personal view is that Farke is not up to the job in the PL. I appreciate he has new players etc and is adapting to the PL but so too do every other club in the division including the clubs that Norwich are competing with for 17th or above. I wouldn't write off Farke yet if he hadn't had the experience of promotion 2 years ago. But he has been here and it appears he hasn't learned from it. And it is no much use saying it will come in time etc, you don't have the time. If you fall too far behind then there will be no way to come back. A few thoughts on some of the comments on this thread - I really do not like the reference to fans that complain about the situation being referred to as not real fans. It happens on all forums and I think it is about the biggest insult that could be dished out - Someone said that managers of Leeds, Brentford and Villa were better at adapting. There is probably something to this but equally none of Leeds, Brentford or Villa sold their best player on promotion. I appreciate this may be a sore point as it was Villa that bought Emi but cashing in on your best player at promotion is, imo, the wrong thing to do. Club's need to improve on quality and not reduce quality. Sarr for Watford showed first hand exactly why so yesterday - I can't understand why Farke doesn't get a defensive coach in. You look so fragile at the back and he needs help. All managers need specialist help and that is not a negative reflection on Farke. However, the fact hat he hasn't got the help he needs is a huge part of the reason why I think he needs to be replaced if Norwich want to spend more than 1 consecutive season in the PL Everton up next. Some of their fans are a little worried about this game. DCL and Richarlison are both confirmed to be out injured and Pickford is a major doubt. The are hurting after losing yesterday and the fans hate Rafa and could turn on him very quickly. There is hope for a decent result against them. Anyway, best of luck for the season and hopefully u will take 3 points against the Toffees You’ve popped in at a decent time. Optimism is relatively high still but top top 4 looks unlikely atm. Players should start gelling any time soon and we will give you a cheeky wave when climbing above you in the table. P.S have you ever heard boos at Villa Park after losing 5 matches on the spin? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Badger 2,405 Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, komakino said: What I do know is that the longer the club is starved of real investment How do you figure this? We have spent more money than we ever had in the recent window and have spent millions on the training ground. I wouldn't turn down a mega rich individual that was happy to just give us tens of millions but there aren't many of them about I'm afraid. I keep getting told that other clubs have them - but most of them don't in fact. There are different models but what many of them do is buy the club sell the ground to another of their companies and then borrow (often at high rates of interest) safe in the knowledge that they own the ground and are covered if it all goes t1ts up. Others lend the club money themselves and charge a higher rate of interest that they would get elsewhere; others like the Burnley owners use the club's own cash to + debt to buy the club. These investors actually result in the club having less money, not more. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,771 Posted September 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Badger said: No there were a variety of different demonstrations - to which were you referring? Were there any when they booed their team - I can't recall any? My apologies I misinterpreted what you were replying, I thought you meant you didn't know of any fans protests with the big 6 clubs in the summer 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Clever Farke 64 Posted September 19, 2021 Booing the performance let’s them know what is expected and how far they are falling short. Totally fine. But the task in front of Farke is monumental so surely he deserves a good deal more time to whip them into shape before we throw the baby out with the bath water. He has worked wonders before and I truly believe he will again. Just hewld yew hard. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
komakino 272 Posted September 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Clever Farke said: Booing the performance let’s them know what is expected and how far they are falling short. Totally fine. But the task in front of Farke is monumental so surely he deserves a good deal more time to whip them into shape before we throw the baby out with the bath water. He has worked wonders before and I truly believe he will again. Just hewld yew hard. Farke has not 'worked wonders' in the EPL before, so he cannot do something again that he has not already done. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shruk4 60 Posted September 19, 2021 11 hours ago, Jim Smith said: Yes how dare fans who’ve seen their team lose 15 premier league games in a row and who are fast becoming a laughing stock express any dissatisfaction. Why does it bother you so much what other people think? If you are embarrassed to be a Norwich fan I hear there are a lot of cheap tickets to man city games Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VillaFan 118 Posted September 19, 2021 2 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said: You’ve popped in at a decent time. Optimism is relatively high still but top top 4 looks unlikely atm. Players should start gelling any time soon and we will give you a cheeky wave when climbing above you in the table. P.S have you ever heard boos at Villa Park after losing 5 matches on the spin? Unfortunately I don't get to Villa Park too often (I don't live in England) but the Villa fans have shown their annoyance with the team after less than 5 losses on the trot. We are not the most understanding bunch (unfortunately I have to say 'we' as I am a Villa supporter, I don't like it too much but I understand it) I admire your confidence with Norwich's prospects this season but I am afraid I don't share it. I really struggle to see how you can turn it around. Yes, players will get better and the team will improve but that applies to all teams. All teams have new players. Bees and Watford are also getting used to the PL and the more they play the more they will gel. So although Norwich will get better so will everyone else. The clear problem at Norwich is the weakness at the back. This must be fixed and as an outsider (I clearly wouldn't know as much as you guys) but there is no improvement. There appears to be a serious problem in coaching and tactics and overall organisation of the defence. Farke is doing a great job overall but this is a huge problem and it appears that he doesn't know how to fix it Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
daly 501 Posted September 19, 2021 8 hours ago, HairyTeeth said: First of all Farke should not get sacked. Yes the result was not great but let the new players gel. Normann, Sargent, Tzolis, Rashica etc.... are all new to the Premier League and need time to adapt. The new lads are top footballers and will only grow and get better each game. Am i concerned right now? Not really as im very confident we will at least stay up. When this team gels they will be a joy to watch. Also he had a horrific injury crisis in his first year in the Premier League which any manager would of struggled with. The man has won us 2 league titles so has something about him. This season we didnt have much of a pre season which would put any team on the back foot and the horrendous fixtures to start has not helped the confidence. We will be fine, some people need to calm down and get behind the manager and team. We will stay up and finish around 12-15th place. Not much of a pre season whose fault was that Second best to Watford in every position What chance against seasoned Premiership clubs Back next season where we belong sorrowfully As stated at Board Meeting we aim to be in the top 26 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
VillaFan 118 Posted September 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, shruk4 said: Why does it bother you so much what other people think? If you are embarrassed to be a Norwich fan I hear there are a lot of cheap tickets to man city games Maybe lots of tickets for Man City games available, not sure they would be cheap 😄 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 495 Posted September 19, 2021 I thought rhinosI are supposed to have thick skins. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gromitt 12 Posted September 20, 2021 23 hours ago, hurricane said: I don't get the not a premier league coach bit. You have to manage in the premier league to get the experience to be one. Reality is, ours has had just over 1 season, and part of that 1st season there were no fans, which there now are so he is now getting that experience of a bad run with actual fans in the stadium voicing themselves over the performances they have seen. Possibly the first time him and the players under this regime have experienced it. Sacking the manager might get a bounce equally it might not and you still get relegated with a new manager who has no experience in the championship and, or don't bounce back straight away, fans get impatient as we don't get promoted then the cycle happens again. This. Life is about continual learning/experience, eg How many league titles would manure been on if fergie hadn't been allowed time when fans were getting on his back 92-93. Disappointed with loss Saturday but also saw positives of before they scored first we looked to have an attacking edge with front 3 and 2-3 balls across Watford box either just behind our players or couldn't set themselves up over ball passing through to make connection with it .Thought in a minute one of these going in. Personally think bit more bite beside Norman than Gilmour in the form of PLM or try Sorenson may give a slightly different edge. May not be as fluid on ball as Gilmour but > than muscle + < fluid may achieve more against more physical teams such as Watford Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
