spencer 1970 207 Posted August 31, 2021 Not Sitti has gone that means just 2 players left on the books that are not part of the team(s) No. Pos. Nation Player — GK ENG Aston Oxborough — DF SUI Timm Klose Aston out on loan and Tim on a "mutual" please? That would mean a few of the first teamers/fringe to go out on loan from... Placheta? Idah? Omobamidele/Zimmermann? Any others? ...for the the record I'd only like to see Placheta (and Oxborough) go out from the above althouh I'm still a bit confused on how many loanees we can play in any game, is there a listed difference between Prem and non-Prem loans? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
York Canary 28 Posted August 31, 2021 Think DF may just give Placheta an opportunity this season to see what he can do in the Prem.. unless he’s asking to leave, which I doubt. Idah needs to remain the in the building really as we can’t go with just Pukki/Sargent and he’ll still get minutes with us I’m sure. Can’t see Oma/Zim going either, particularly if we want to try 3 at the back at some point. I must say I like the look of the squad right now. Let’s hope they can gel quickly and get on a roll. Hoping Tzolis recovers well and gets his PL start too Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,844 Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, spencer 1970 said: Not Sitti has gone that means just 2 players left on the books that are not part of the team(s) No. Pos. Nation Player — GK ENG Aston Oxborough — DF SUI Timm Klose Aston out on loan and Tim on a "mutual" please? That would mean a few of the first teamers/fringe to go out on loan from... Placheta? Idah? Omobamidele/Zimmermann? Any others? ...for the the record I'd only like to see Placheta (and Oxborough) go out from the above althouh I'm still a bit confused on how many loanees we can play in any game, is there a listed difference between Prem and non-Prem loans? Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two other goalkeepers head out on loan. Rose seems to be our choice as U23s keeper for this season, so maybe McCracken and Mair could also head out to the lower leagues. I'm not sure about the loan rules for players from abroad. The PL loan rules are well documented: you can have no more than two players on loan from other PL clubs at the same time, no more than four in a season in total, and you can't have two players from the same club on loan at the same time. Exactly how the rules work with regard to loans from English clubs outside the PL (Championship clubs, for example) and foreign clubs, I'm not sure. Are we limited to two in Kabak and Normann, or could we hypothetically sign others? I don't believe there are any PL rules that would stop us from fielding all our loan signings. One would presume that if we can legally loan four (or more?) players, we can legally have them all in the same matchday squad. Wondering if our resident guru @Bethnal Yellow and Green has any insight on this? Or anyone else, for that matter? 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,760 Posted August 31, 2021 (edited) Oxborough and Placheta to be loaned, but definitely not Idah or Omobamidele Edited August 31, 2021 by Ken Hairy Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ROBFLECK 132 Posted August 31, 2021 15 minutes ago, York Canary said: Think DF may just give Placheta an opportunity this season to see what he can do in the Prem.. unless he’s asking to leave, which I doubt. Idah needs to remain the in the building really as we can’t go with just Pukki/Sargent and he’ll still get minutes with us I’m sure. Can’t see Oma/Zim going either, particularly if we want to try 3 at the back at some point. I must say I like the look of the squad right now. Let’s hope they can gel quickly and get on a roll. Hoping Tzolis recovers well and gets his PL start too For me this is crucial , we've got a gem there who can make something happen... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: Wouldn't be surprised to see one or two other goalkeepers head out on loan. Rose seems to be our choice as U23s keeper for this season, so maybe McCracken and Mair could also head out to the lower leagues. I'm not sure about the loan rules for players from abroad. The PL loan rules are well documented: you can have no more than two players on loan from other PL clubs at the same time, no more than four in a season in total, and you can't have two players from the same club on loan at the same time. Exactly how the rules work with regard to loans from English clubs outside the PL (Championship clubs, for example) and foreign clubs, I'm not sure. Are we limited to two in Kabak and Normann, or could we hypothetically sign others? I don't believe there are any PL rules that would stop us from fielding all our loan signings. One would presume that if we can legally loan four (or more?) players, we can legally have them all in the same matchday squad. Wondering if our resident guru @Bethnal Yellow and Green has any insight on this? Or anyone else, for that matter? 🙂 From what I understand of the loan rules, there is a hard limit on two domestic loans, and no more than 1 from any club. The Premier League rules don't mention international loans at all - which makes me think they are still considering 'short-term transfers' as was the case a few years back - and a club can therefore have as many as they like in the matchday squad. I have seen mention there is a cap of 2 international loans, but not sure this is correct. The Premier League do not have any rules that limit the matchday squad. So if they can be registered in the 25 man squad (or are under 21) they can be in the match-day squad. The EFL is different in it doesn't have rules about the overall squad, but limits what a team can put in the match-day squad. So if Norwich can sign Normann, Kabak, Williams and Gilmour - they can all play in the same game. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pete 318 Posted August 31, 2021 2 Foreign loans the max. Placheta sick with covid uncertain prognosis. Idah must stay little striking options. Omodamibele needed for CB cover. Zimm will stay can't see anyone who will want to pay any loan fee or wages. Extra keepers got a few then ripe for loans surprised not yet arranged. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
WSM 62 Posted August 31, 2021 Re the loan rules connundrum as discussed above Domestic and international loans are treated differently. @Feedthewolf is correct in his description of the domestic loans International loans are treated as short term transfers I believe - I think you are only allowed two of these AS WELL, but for clarity, there would be no issue with playing Williams, Gilmour, Kabak, and Normann in the same 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,735 Posted August 31, 2021 Should remember that we have 9 subs available to us...all very well letting everyone out on loan but we dimish our matchday options. It wouldnt take too many injuries until we're calling on the U23's to fill the bench Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,844 Posted August 31, 2021 34 minutes ago, WSM said: Re the loan rules connundrum as discussed above Domestic and international loans are treated differently. @Feedthewolf is correct in his description of the domestic loans International loans are treated as short term transfers I believe - I think you are only allowed two of these AS WELL, but for clarity, there would be no issue with playing Williams, Gilmour, Kabak, and Normann in the same 11 Thanks, that tallies with what @Bethnal Yellow and Green said above. There doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether you can or cannot have more than two foreign loans, though; short of trawling through every PL club's Transfermarkt page to see if any of them have three or more, I'm not sure how we could clarify this. I guess it's a moot point for us, though, as our transfer business appears to have been done now anyway. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted August 31, 2021 5 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said: Thanks, that tallies with what @Bethnal Yellow and Green said above. There doesn't seem to be any consensus on whether you can or cannot have more than two foreign loans, though; short of trawling through every PL club's Transfermarkt page to see if any of them have three or more, I'm not sure how we could clarify this. I guess it's a moot point for us, though, as our transfer business appears to have been done now anyway. Just looked through the Premier League Rules (Yes, I do have better things to do with my time, and no, I don't want to do them). Found the following rule; which means that there is a hard limit on loans at 4. This also means that should Norwich cancel on of the loans in January, they still would not be able to loan in another player. "the maximum number of Temporary Transfers to any one Club registrable in the same Season shall be four and in no circumstances shall more than one be from the same Transferor Club at any one time save there shall be excluded from these numbers any Temporary Transfer of the kind described in V.7.6.1 or V.7.6.2;" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,844 Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Just looked through the Premier League Rules (Yes, I do have better things to do with my time, and no, I don't want to do them). Found the following rule; which means that there is a hard limit on loans at 4. This also means that should Norwich cancel on of the loans in January, they still would not be able to loan in another player. "the maximum number of Temporary Transfers to any one Club registrable in the same Season shall be four and in no circumstances shall more than one be from the same Transferor Club at any one time save there shall be excluded from these numbers any Temporary Transfer of the kind described in V.7.6.1 or V.7.6.2;" Ha! Thanks for that, Bethnal. I guess the only counter-question is whether foreign loans count as 'temporary transfers' rather than the 'short-term deals' that you suggested they might be treated as if they're from overseas clubs. For the purposes of this exercise, though, I'm going to assume that you're right and we can't loan more than four players, period 🙂 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted August 31, 2021 1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said: Ha! Thanks for that, Bethnal. I guess the only counter-question is whether foreign loans count as 'temporary transfers' rather than the 'short-term deals' that you suggested they might be treated as if they're from overseas clubs. For the purposes of this exercise, though, I'm going to assume that you're right and we can't loan more than four players, period 🙂 That is a good point... Basically, the rule is as clear as mud. But in the short-term, Gilmour, Williams, Normann and Kabak can all play in the same team so not much to worry about in the short term. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spencer 1970 207 Posted August 31, 2021 Phew! Well at least we can play the 4 we have and Farke hasn't "done a Roeder" in regard to over-loaning. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,844 Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: That is a good point... Basically, the rule is as clear as mud. But in the short-term, Gilmour, Williams, Normann and Kabak can all play in the same team so not much to worry about in the short term. Indeed. Do we have an option to buy on the two foreign loans? Obviously not for Williams/Gilmour... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bethnal Yellow and Green 1,557 Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Feedthewolf said: Indeed. Do we have an option to buy on the two foreign loans? Obviously not for Williams/Gilmour... Yes, options to buy both Kabak and Normann 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,844 Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Bethnal Yellow and Green said: Yes, options to buy both Kabak and Normann I could totally have JFGI'd that, but I sensed from your earlier comments that you were seeking to procrastinate. Happy to help a fellow procrastinator; we are the leaders of tomorrow, after all... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curious yellow 184 Posted August 31, 2021 I haven't heard the latest on Rocky, I don't think Coventry were interested. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Feedthewolf 4,844 Posted August 31, 2021 4 hours ago, curious yellow said: I haven't heard the latest on Rocky, I don't think Coventry were interested. He ended up in Philadelphia IIRC. (Sorry not sorry) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curious yellow 184 Posted August 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Feedthewolf said: He ended up in Philadelphia IIRC. (Sorry not sorry) Yes, with Fitzpatrick Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigManInTheBarclay 75 Posted August 31, 2021 Klose gone via mutual agreement Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
alex_ncfc 648 Posted August 31, 2021 Timm Klose has just left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spencer 1970 207 Posted August 31, 2021 ...and Aston Ox out on loan (Barnet), is that us done? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
curious yellow 184 Posted August 31, 2021 Good move from the club to bring in Andy Hughes as a coach. Soon shifted them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
KiwiScot 1,436 Posted August 31, 2021 I've got Rocky Bushiri and Aidan Fitzpatrick still to be dealt with, but assume if not loaned out they will be back into the U21; Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Year of the tiger 54 Posted August 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, KiwiScot said: I've got Rocky Bushiri and Aidan Fitzpatrick still to be dealt with, but assume if not loaned out they will be back into the U21; Think Fitzpatrick has been released. Plus young keepers, McCracken & Mair or they are just going to end up not playing at all. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,781 Posted August 31, 2021 I'm also surprised Placheta is still here. I can't see where he's going to get any minutes between now and January, to be honest. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbycanary3 994 Posted August 31, 2021 Serge Aurier has just left Spurs. Surely not..........................? Good night Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,781 Posted August 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, Crabbycanary3 said: Serge Aurier has just left Spurs. Surely not..........................? Good night No, we don't need him. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbycanary3 994 Posted August 31, 2021 Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: No, we don't need him. *cough* Max *cough* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
