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What Gibson really meant to say was: "the fans' principles" because it is they who want to see the team play open, attractive football even when you can't compete against an opponent of much higher quality. And the fans support the board and the board appoints a coach who the fans will like. Nobody takes a stand at Norwich to point out the harsh truths of being in the EPL. They all pat one another on the back and look the other way instead of addressing what needs to be done in terms of signings and tactics. Which is not really surprising given that no one at Norwich really wants to be in the EPL anyway, they are all content just to have the one season stay, have a tour of the grounds, pick up the broadcasting cash, balance the books and return to the Championship in good shape.

Why did they sign Gilmour and PLM when they are not the kind of players required? It was obvious from the moment Skipp departed that Norwich would need TWO top quality DMs in the EPL. They also need a £15 million rated centre-back and a £35 million rated forward. I don't get why they have spent nearly £50 million without addressing any of the most obvious areas of concern leading into this campaign: central defence, defensive midfielders and a proven, goal-scoring striker. It seems Webber has splashed the cash on players they can get rather than players they need.

It is obvious that Farke has and will not learn any of the lessons of two years' ago. And this is where Gibson's post-match "principles speech" is an indirect criticism of the coach. You simply cannot afford to have full-backs playing as attackers in the EPL. Norwich simply do not have enough quality in their squad to make this work. Norwich might have been the Man City of the Championship, but they are certainly not Man City in this league. For a newly promoted club you have got to realise your limitations and have a game plan to try and counter the opposition. The fact Liverpool got 27 shots off suggests to me there was no plan to stifle them. Dave Stringer would have had a plan. Farke is not anywhere near the club's best manager. He is Delia's best Championship manager. I am sorry, but for a club like Norwich at this level you have got to play with a defensive four at the back with two defensive midfielders in front to pick up the second balls. All the second balls yesterday were falling to red shirts. And the Liverpool boy had oceans of space for the opener. Where was his marker? Every player needs to have a man-marking job to do. An opponent would never get 27 shots off if there was a man on every opposition player.

Why is it that when Norwich win the Championship they turn out to be the worst of the promoted sides in the EPL the next season? Brentford and Watford gunning for a European place already. Norwich heading for bottom place. The way Norwich go about preparing for an EPL season is just fundamentally flawed. But hey, we've got our principles and so we stick to them. See us in Championship next season. Delia's CV, etc.

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The most ridiculous post on this forum in quite some time. 

Brentford and Watford gunning for a European place 😂

You cannot afford to have fullbacks playing as attackers in the Premier League🙄

 

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Have to say I agree in part with Big Vince. Norwich and Farke are top championship but not EPL standard. Delia herself admitted that Aaron's will be a top top player but not with Norwich. Meaning Norwich are not a big enough club.

1 of the 4 smallest in the EPL and the smallest in terms of finance. Yes we will win the odd game but like yesterday be turned over by most.

How you can leave top players completely unmarked in or near your penalty area and expect to not get punished is beyond me. Liverpool were far more mobile flooded our area when in attack and back in numbers to thwart our lone ranger. And You expect to win?

Forget all the feeble excuses made about the disruptions caused by injuries or covid, after all every team suffers.

Yet again it's a case of seeing how the really top teams live and operate and try and enjoy the ride.

As of interest how many of the new signings have relegation clauses in their contracts?

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Holy crap, what a load of utter garbage.  We were playing one of the top sides in Europe (as we will be next week) on the back of a very stilted/stop-start pre-season, just what were you expecting?  We showed plenty of good flashes and when things bed in (which they would have done quicker without the stop-start preseason) we’ll be much more ‘set’.

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1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

What Gibson really meant to say was: "the fans' principles" because it is they who want to see the team play open, attractive football even when you can't compete against an opponent of much higher quality. And the fans support the board and the board appoints a coach who the fans will like. Nobody takes a stand at Norwich to point out the harsh truths of being in the EPL. They all pat one another on the back and look the other way instead of addressing what needs to be done in terms of signings and tactics. Which is not really surprising given that no one at Norwich really wants to be in the EPL anyway, they are all content just to have the one season stay, have a tour of the grounds, pick up the broadcasting cash, balance the books and return to the Championship in good shape.

Why did they sign Gilmour and PLM when they are not the kind of players required? It was obvious from the moment Skipp departed that Norwich would need TWO top quality DMs in the EPL. They also need a £15 million rated centre-back and a £35 million rated forward. I don't get why they have spent nearly £50 million without addressing any of the most obvious areas of concern leading into this campaign: central defence, defensive midfielders and a proven, goal-scoring striker. It seems Webber has splashed the cash on players they can get rather than players they need.

It is obvious that Farke has and will not learn any of the lessons of two years' ago. And this is where Gibson's post-match "principles speech" is an indirect criticism of the coach. You simply cannot afford to have full-backs playing as attackers in the EPL. Norwich simply do not have enough quality in their squad to make this work. Norwich might have been the Man City of the Championship, but they are certainly not Man City in this league. For a newly promoted club you have got to realise your limitations and have a game plan to try and counter the opposition. The fact Liverpool got 27 shots off suggests to me there was no plan to stifle them. Dave Stringer would have had a plan. Farke is not anywhere near the club's best manager. He is Delia's best Championship manager. I am sorry, but for a club like Norwich at this level you have got to play with a defensive four at the back with two defensive midfielders in front to pick up the second balls. All the second balls yesterday were falling to red shirts. And the Liverpool boy had oceans of space for the opener. Where was his marker? Every player needs to have a man-marking job to do. An opponent would never get 27 shots off if there was a man on every opposition player.

Why is it that when Norwich win the Championship they turn out to be the worst of the promoted sides in the EPL the next season? Brentford and Watford gunning for a European place already. Norwich heading for bottom place. The way Norwich go about preparing for an EPL season is just fundamentally flawed. But hey, we've got our principles and so we stick to them. See us in Championship next season. Delia's CV, etc.

Thanks for proving the equation that sometimes A=B

A: A lot of words

B: A lot of nonsense

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7 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Why are we still taking Vince seriously?

Whilst others wear yellow and green spectacles, Vince sticks to the regular ones.  

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4 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Thanks for proving the equation that sometimes A=B

A: A lot of words

B: A lot of nonsense

Genuinely not sure why some people are trying to respond as if it’s a serious post. Just ignore the sad man guys and he might go away, don’t give him the weird hit that he needs via your angry attention. 

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This forum could well be in meltdown after  visiting the Etihad next weekend. The good news is Norwich have signed some proper quality that will get better each week. 

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Farke sent a message to Webber and the board before the game about needing more signings to show we are serious about staying up, and I should imagine one of those would be a DM. 

Not sure we need 2, we have Sorenson.

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1 hour ago, Big Vince said:

What Gibson really meant to say was: "the fans' principles" because it is they who want to see the team play open, attractive football even when you can't compete against an opponent of much higher quality. And the fans support the board and the board appoints a coach who the fans will like. Nobody takes a stand at Norwich to point out the harsh truths of being in the EPL. They all pat one another on the back and look the other way instead of addressing what needs to be done in terms of signings and tactics. Which is not really surprising given that no one at Norwich really wants to be in the EPL anyway, they are all content just to have the one season stay, have a tour of the grounds, pick up the broadcasting cash, balance the books and return to the Championship in good shape.

Why did they sign Gilmour and PLM when they are not the kind of players required? It was obvious from the moment Skipp departed that Norwich would need TWO top quality DMs in the EPL. They also need a £15 million rated centre-back and a £35 million rated forward. I don't get why they have spent nearly £50 million without addressing any of the most obvious areas of concern leading into this campaign: central defence, defensive midfielders and a proven, goal-scoring striker. It seems Webber has splashed the cash on players they can get rather than players they need.

It is obvious that Farke has and will not learn any of the lessons of two years' ago. And this is where Gibson's post-match "principles speech" is an indirect criticism of the coach. You simply cannot afford to have full-backs playing as attackers in the EPL. Norwich simply do not have enough quality in their squad to make this work. Norwich might have been the Man City of the Championship, but they are certainly not Man City in this league. For a newly promoted club you have got to realise your limitations and have a game plan to try and counter the opposition. The fact Liverpool got 27 shots off suggests to me there was no plan to stifle them. Dave Stringer would have had a plan. Farke is not anywhere near the club's best manager. He is Delia's best Championship manager. I am sorry, but for a club like Norwich at this level you have got to play with a defensive four at the back with two defensive midfielders in front to pick up the second balls. All the second balls yesterday were falling to red shirts. And the Liverpool boy had oceans of space for the opener. Where was his marker? Every player needs to have a man-marking job to do. An opponent would never get 27 shots off if there was a man on every opposition player.

Why is it that when Norwich win the Championship they turn out to be the worst of the promoted sides in the EPL the next season? Brentford and Watford gunning for a European place already. Norwich heading for bottom place. The way Norwich go about preparing for an EPL season is just fundamentally flawed. But hey, we've got our principles and so we stick to them. See us in Championship next season. Delia's CV, etc.

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Just now, Branston Pickle said:

I doubt most of us read too far, either - I did, it’s just the usual boring guff.

Give him some credit, that Europe quotation was a new one. Absolutely brilliant! I’m glad the seasons over now and everything’s wrapped up!

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29 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

Whilst others wear yellow and green spectacles, Vince sticks to the regular ones.  

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One game in, and this already........the mind boggles. Yes, not a great early fixture list. But, it is what it is. I thought a few bits to be encouraged from..... gianoulis, rashica, Sargent, plm and Gilmore. 

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Yep. Time to take a break from here for a few days whilst the numbskulls vent about how we didnt destroy Liverpool. 

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1 hour ago, hogesar said:

Yep. Time to take a break from here for a few days whilst the numbskulls vent about how we didnt destroy Liverpool. 

It is not just about Liverpool yesterday. Every time Norwich have been up in the Delia era it has been the same old story, making the same tactical mistakes and wrong signings and failing to compete. Capitulations only matched by the current humiliating withdrawal from Afghanistan.

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@Big Vince and there we have it, anti Delia after all she’s done for the club. By the way in case you are not aware, Delia is the owner not the coach, so you can’t blame the tactics on her. We have one of the best managers and as he just attested in his YouTube video interview, we matched Liverpool pretty well for most of the game.
Think it’s time for you to move on and support another team matey, I’m loving being a Norwich supporter right now 😀

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5 minutes ago, Canary Jedi said:

@Big Vince and there we have it, anti Delia after all she’s done for the club. By the way in case you are not aware, Delia is the owner not the coach, so you can’t blame the tactics on her. We have one of the best managers and as he just attested in his YouTube video interview, we matched Liverpool pretty well for most of the game.
Think it’s time for you to move on and support another team matey, I’m loving being a Norwich supporter right now 😀

If you keep getting relegated as many times as she does then it is obvious they are not doing the right things, including tactics, regardless of who the coach is. Worthy and Neil were also tactically naive. Lambert was a bit better but then he had a lump up top who was competitive and a leader. Hughton was on the right track tactically but made a disastrous signing up top and was hounded out by numpty fans. After all, he went on to do a good job at Brighton before getting sacked for keeping them up.

Okay so because Farke said this it means he is correct, right? What if anyone replays the video and begs to differ?

What has Delia done for the club? Let me see.......hmmm, League 1, failure to expand stadium, half as many fans locked out as inside, Doomcaster, Bob the Grocer, Blarneymeister, Bryan Gunn, Mike Walker2, Neil Adams, multiple EPL relegations, brink of administration, Moxey, ranting at fans whilst intoxicated on cherry trifle, etc.

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Try this - club dead due to Delia not investing, would you prefer that?

Ever since I started support Norwich in the mid 80s we’ve been the David against the Goliath of other clubs. This will never chance. So enjoy the fight, and the occasional upset.

By the way many millionaire business owners are failures, because they tried and failed with many incarnations of their business before getting it right. 
It feels a lot more right with Webber and Farke.

Have faith and enjoy the show

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Yesterday was nothing to panic about and nor will defeat at Man City be. Those results are expected and there were encouraging elements to the performance yesterday. 
 

But how the game went and indeed how we conceded at Newcastle are instructive in terms of what we need to address and I expect it to be acted on.

the set piece marking and defensive organisation side of things is disappointing as you should be able to do that adequately regardless of who plays. 

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Let's be honest about this though - he's not too far off the mark.  Last time we were in the PL we tried to play the same way that got us up and Liverpool took us apart first game. Lots of positive talk about how we played but lots noting the naivety of how we got caught out and having a soft centre. 

We addressed that last season with the Gibson and Skipp signings and while Hanley/Zimbo/Omobambidele were enough at champs level, I feel we're missing a top class partner for Gibson and we need a replacement for Skipp.

Someone made a thread a while back that the successful promoted clubs are the ones that have a solid defensive base and build from that. We've definitely improved in that department from our last PL campaign but still feel we need more.

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By the way, Sprowston Marriott did not help things yesterday at all. If Delia is not going to change tactics, then our local hosts need to be adding a little something extra to the cornflakes of their guests.

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