TheGunnShow 5,807 Posted August 12, 2021 46 minutes ago, ron obvious said: I suspect Alf-Inge Haaland might disagree. Wasn't that actually his other knee though? Keane hit Haaland's right knee in that tackle, but Haaland had suffered with issues in his left. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1902 1,167 Posted August 12, 2021 Bizarre the Hugill hate. He was bought to be a big, tall striker for if we had to adopt a different shape. We also went out and bought a rapid winger who tends to drift outside and loaned a fullback who liked to (and could) cross. It's pretty clear we thought we might have to mix it up a lot more last season and that there needed to be a second option available to Farke should we not be able to go through the middle. Buendia, Cantwell and Pukki meant we never had to try that tactic for any length of time. Your second or third choice striker, brought in to play your second choice set of tactics, is not going to be 6'2", strong AND have the positional strength, touch and finishing ability of some of our more cultured players (mainly because then his name would be Lukaku and he would be worth about 100 million). Instead he will probably look a bit clumsy, but centre backs won't like marking him and if you are lucky, will score you a goal every three games or so in and he will cost about 4/5 million (the going rate for a 15 goal a season, championship striker with a few years in him). In other words, Hugill was exactly what was expected. Did the job required of him by the club, but thankfully wasn't required very often. We will also probably get some of that money back and what we lose we would have probably had to pay a proportion out for an unproven premier League youngster as a loan fee if we hadn't brought him in. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, 1902 said: Bizarre the Hugill hate. Hate ? That is just you making up stuff Posters on here have merely pointed out that he is not up to the standard expected - in fact, outside of the non league clubs he has shown himself to be useless. I cannot see where that amounts to 'hate'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,807 Posted August 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Bill said: Hate ? That is just you making up stuff Posters on here have merely pointed out that he is not up to the standard expected - in fact, outside of the non league clubs he has shown himself to be useless. I cannot see where that amounts to 'hate'. Non-league? So two solid, average Championship sides in Preston and QPR are non-league? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,516 Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Non-league? So two solid, average Championship sides in Preston and QPR are non-league? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, TheGunnShow said: Non-league? So two solid, average Championship sides in Preston and QPR are non-league? Have a read up on QPR fans view of him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
1902 1,167 Posted August 12, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bill said: Hate ? That is just you making up stuff Posters on here have merely pointed out that he is not up to the standard expected - in fact, outside of the non league clubs he has shown himself to be useless. I cannot see where that amounts to 'hate'. Once again, turn of phrase Bill, partially because it alliterates. Honestly though, talking to you on here is like playing Tetris. It's attritional, can take a lot of time and no real progress is made. Its a forum, say what you will but as you are consistently rude to me, in future I'm not going to engage. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,398 Posted August 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, 1902 said: Once again, turn of phrase Bill, partially because it alliterates. Honestly though, talking to you on here is like playing Tetris. It's attritional, can take a lot of time and no real progress is made. Its a forum, say what you will but as you are consistently rude to me, in future I'm not going to engage. Very well articulated response. #Respect 1902! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, 1902 said: Once again, turn of phrase Bill, partially because it alliterates. Honestly though, talking to you on here is like playing Tetris. It's attritional, can take a lot of time and no real progress is made. Its a forum, say what you will but as you are consistently rude to me, in future I'm not going to engage. No progress ? You've backed down on your guff about hate towards Hugill Now let's see if we can make some progress with your guff about my being "consistently' rude to me" one comment, in one post is not 'consistently' - and your retraction above suggests it was not rude, merely pointing how where you were wrong ie no hate towards Hugill (in fact that might be construed as you making up stuff, again) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bill 1,788 Posted August 12, 2021 17 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Non-league? So two solid, average Championship sides in Preston and QPR are non-league? " Hugill could be extremely profligate, and this was a common criticism of the 27-year-old – “He takes 10 chances to score 1” and “He couldn’t hit a barndoor” were slurs often bellowed from the stands. " Preston media comment Have a look and you will see the delight when he left Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,807 Posted August 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Bill said: " Hugill could be extremely profligate, and this was a common criticism of the 27-year-old – “He takes 10 chances to score 1” and “He couldn’t hit a barndoor” were slurs often bellowed from the stands. " Preston media comment Have a look and you will see the delight when he left We said that about Pukki on occasions in the Premier League last time out, wondering if he was losing his touch or indeed getting overplayed. You'll find critical opinions about players easily. The fact he got a move up to Preston and played there in the Championship for several seasons - and even if it didn't work out at West Ham he still played at a passable level in a very misfiring Middlesborough side and scored a fair few for QPR, both in the Championship, clearly indicate that the Championship is his level. Hugill was bought for peanuts and sold for close to eight figures at Preston. No wonder they were pleased he was sold. On top of that, he'd put in a transfer request due to lack of ambition on their part. Preston are another side that are pretty prudent financially, even though they do have a wealthy owner. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,516 Posted August 12, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: We said that about Pukki on occasions in the Premier League last time out, wondering if he was losing his touch or indeed getting overplayed. You'll find critical opinions about players easily. The fact he got a move up to Preston and played there in the Championship for several seasons - and even if it didn't work out at West Ham he still played at a passable level in a very misfiring Middlesborough side and scored a fair few for QPR, both in the Championship, clearly indicate that the Championship is his level. Hugill was bought for peanuts and sold for close to eight figures at Preston. No wonder they were pleased he was sold. On top of that, he'd put in a transfer request due to lack of ambition on their part. Preston are another side that are pretty prudent financially, even though they do have a wealthy owner. 'lack of ambition' You sure that you're not talking about us/our fans? Really amusing of them to go on about ambiton though when they have never even been in the Prem Edited August 12, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted August 12, 2021 14 minutes ago, Bill said: " Hugill could be extremely profligate, and this was a common criticism of the 27-year-old – “He takes 10 chances to score 1” and “He couldn’t hit a barndoor” were slurs often bellowed from the stands. " Preston media comment Have a look and you will see the delight when he left Considering he was (and still is) Preston's record sale at circa £9m, I doubt he performed badly. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,807 Posted August 12, 2021 Just now, cambridgeshire canary said: 'lack of ambition' You sure that you're not talking about us/our fans? Really amusing of them to go on about ambiton though when they have never even been in the Prem Actually, Preston were the original "Invincibles" back in the early days of the Football League in the 1880s as they were one of the founder members. It rankles with them that Blackburn, Wigan, Burnley, Bolton, and Blackpool have all been in the top flight in recent times, and they haven't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet 293 Posted August 12, 2021 1 hour ago, 1902 said: Bizarre the Hugill hate. He was bought to be a big, tall striker for if we had to adopt a different shape. We also went out and bought a rapid winger who tends to drift outside and loaned a fullback who liked to (and could) cross. It's pretty clear we thought we might have to mix it up a lot more last season and that there needed to be a second option available to Farke should we not be able to go through the middle. Buendia, Cantwell and Pukki meant we never had to try that tactic for any length of time. Your second or third choice striker, brought in to play your second choice set of tactics, is not going to be 6'2", strong AND have the positional strength, touch and finishing ability of some of our more cultured players (mainly because then his name would be Lukaku and he would be worth about 100 million). Instead he will probably look a bit clumsy, but centre backs won't like marking him and if you are lucky, will score you a goal every three games or so in and he will cost about 4/5 million (the going rate for a 15 goal a season, championship striker with a few years in him). In other words, Hugill was exactly what was expected. Did the job required of him by the club, but thankfully wasn't required very often. We will also probably get some of that money back and what we lose we would have probably had to pay a proportion out for an unproven premier League youngster as a loan fee if we hadn't brought him in. I'm sure no one hates Hugill and I for one have nothing personal against him I don't even know the man. I think the main issue with the Hugill debate is not him but the fact that a top championship side looking to bounce back into the Premier league (us) would see Hugill as good business. He is what he is but I think the club got this one wrong and luckily it didn't cost us promotion but it could have. That £5 million could have been better spent on a more capable challenger to Pukki and someone with the potential to develop into a premier league cover striker, Hugill was never going to be that and that has been the frustration, not the player himself Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,516 Posted August 12, 2021 47 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said: Actually, Preston were the original "Invincibles" back in the early days of the Football League in the 1880s as they were one of the founder members. It rankles with them that Blackburn, Wigan, Burnley, Bolton, and Blackpool have all been in the top flight in recent times, and they haven't. The 1880's was also the last time Ipsiwch were a 'big club' #themoreyouknow Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet 293 Posted August 27, 2021 On 10/08/2021 at 20:37, Mullet said: Some of us last season said he offered nothing, some of you argued that his scoring stats were actually pretty good. Some of you said he is good for the dressing room (please refer to Roy Keane's appraisal of a part fit Jordan Henderson being included in the England Euro's squad because he is good for the dressing room). I said during last season give Hugill to the Binners on a free and that he would not be with us next season and I was ridiculed like the village idiot. He was a mistake, some us knew it, we will never see Hugill in Yellow again 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted August 27, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 23:22, Mullet said: I'm sure no one hates Hugill and I for one have nothing personal against him I don't even know the man. I think the main issue with the Hugill debate is not him but the fact that a top championship side looking to bounce back into the Premier league (us) would see Hugill as good business. He is what he is but I think the club got this one wrong and luckily it didn't cost us promotion but it could have. That £5 million could have been better spent on a more capable challenger to Pukki and someone with the potential to develop into a premier league cover striker, Hugill was never going to be that and that has been the frustration, not the player himself And right on cue what happens? A top Championship side looking to bounce back into the Premier League (West Brom) see Hugill as good business (but on a loan basis rather than an outright buy I'll grant you). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted August 27, 2021 On 12/08/2021 at 22:04, Bill said: Hate ? That is just you making up stuff Posters on here have merely pointed out that he is not up to the standard expected - in fact, outside of the non league clubs he has shown himself to be useless. I cannot see where that amounts to 'hate'. And now West Brom rate him at Championship level too. So that Farke and his coaching team, Preston and their coaching team, QPR and their coaching team and West Brom + their coaching team. All of those above, or Bill the anonymous PinkUn troll who doesn't think formations are real. I think I know where to hedge my bets on this one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,657 Posted August 27, 2021 6 minutes ago, hogesar said: And now West Brom rate him at Championship level too. So that Farke and his coaching team, Preston and their coaching team, QPR and their coaching team and West Brom + their coaching team. All of those above, or Bill the anonymous PinkUn troll who doesn't think formations are real. I think I know where to hedge my bets on this one. Wasting your energy in typing that hoggy as it appears Bill/ City1st/Pockthorpe Pete is banned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted August 27, 2021 5 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Wasting your energy in typing that hoggy as it appears Bill/ City1st/Pockthorpe Pete is banned. Just need Horsey for a full house 😉 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,503 Posted August 27, 2021 25 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said: Wasting your energy in typing that hoggy as it appears Bill/ City1st/Pockthorpe Pete is banned. Oh wow, really? I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised but considering all the stuff he's done and said before what on earth did he do to get banned?! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,825 Posted August 27, 2021 Poor show if Bill got banned, who’s sorting the streams out now? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,657 Posted August 27, 2021 1 minute ago, hogesar said: Oh wow, really? I mean I guess I shouldn't be surprised but considering all the stuff he's done and said before what on earth did he do to get banned?! Pockthorpe Pete popped up last weekend and was chuntering on about somebody being banned in relation to the tabboo subject that our friend often mentions with regard to watching live games ( nudge nudge wink wink ) and it was obvious who he was talking about. He was offering some form of defence and within minutes the thread was deleted. I don't think it helped that the thread title was ' Pink Un Double Standards '. 😂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mullet 293 Posted August 27, 2021 1 hour ago, Thirsty Lizard said: And right on cue what happens? A top Championship side looking to bounce back into the Premier League (West Brom) see Hugill as good business (but on a loan basis rather than an outright buy I'll grant you). Well it appears Hugill will play in yellow again but in my defence I obviously meant he'll never play for us again. I also think West Brom taking a punt on Hugill on loan is different to wasting £5 million as you already pointed out. Interestingly I read today that the West Brom manager has stated since the Hugill loan that he is now looking for goal scorer before the window closes. I had to chuckle at that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,825 Posted August 27, 2021 Hugill got the season going at Rotherham but the fact is that’s about it. Just look at his career stats and the only strange part is transfer fees selling clubs received. Lovely chap but a poor mans Grant Holt any day of the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Six Pack 89 Posted August 28, 2021 Closer analysis is required of the loan of Hugill to WBA. He hasn't gone to just a middle/lower Championship club - he's gone to West Brom who have just come down from the premier league and is now managed by Valerien Ismail - a manager who pulled average Barnsley into the playoff last season with absolutely no resources whatsoever. He has plenty of resources at WBA - massive club with Premier league players & parachute payments. Ismail is a Frankfurt disciple with the same coaching technics as DF. He transformed Carlton Morris from an average league One striker to a player banging in/setting up goals challenging for promotion to the prem. So why has Ismail gone for Hugill ? Can Ismail do something with Hugill that DF couldn't ? DL and Ismail are good friends - what influence has this got to do with the loan ? We had Hugill last season and got promoted right ? Could it be possible that Hugill is recruited solely for the team psychology factor due to his influence in the dressing room ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yobocop 1,083 Posted August 28, 2021 4 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said: Hugill got the season going at Rotherham but the fact is that’s about it. Just look at his career stats and the only strange part is transfer fees selling clubs received. Lovely chap but a poor mans Grant Holt any day of the week. He served his purpose, much like Jordan Rhodes did a few years back scored some vital goals and came on and mixed it up a bit when we needed him too the form of pukki has kept two pedigree championship strikers out of the team for two consecutive championship seasons hugill will score a hatful for wba simply as they play to his strengths Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Midlands Yellow 3,825 Posted August 28, 2021 10 hours ago, Yobocop said: He served his purpose, much like Jordan Rhodes did a few years back scored some vital goals and came on and mixed it up a bit when we needed him too the form of pukki has kept two pedigree championship strikers out of the team for two consecutive championship seasons hugill will score a hatful for wba simply as they play to his strengths How many is a hatful, 20 goals plus? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites