Cups this season

[lake district canary 4,268]

Given the new players we are getting, it is fairly clear, to me at any rate, that they will not all get lots of minutes in the first few games of the season in the league and that cup games will be a good testing ground for them.  Our squad is going to be very strong this season, from goalkeeper to striker, so a good cup run or two would be very helpful.

Distarction from the league? If we keep clear of major injuries, no reason for that imo. Everything to play for, league and cups.

[Midlands Yellow 3,508]

7 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

Given the new players we are getting, it is fairly clear, to me at any rate, that they will not all get lots of minutes in the first few games of the season in the league and that cup games will be a good testing ground for them.  Our squad is going to be very strong this season, from goalkeeper to striker, so a good cup run or two would be very helpful.

Distarction from the league? If we keep clear of major injuries, no reason for that imo. Everything to play for, league and cups.

Bang on the money, we want top 4 and a cup. 

[TheGunnShow 5,199]

Can probably push a bit harder this season compared to the pandemic-congested 46-match league season pandemonium that was the Championship last time out. At the same time, we know Farke likes a cup run whilst also liking giving players with a bit less match time in the league some more quality match time.

I wouldn't force the issue with the cups, but if we get the luck of the draw here and there, then maybe push a bit harder. Especially if we're on a poor league run.

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,429]

If youre a premier lge team not in europe...and go out of the lge cup early...there are many many weeks that go by with no games in midweek playing sat-sat.

In theory more time to work on the training pitches

[Greavsy 2,345]

Cups are always a tough one. 

We, and clubs our size will have less strength in depth, so a good opportunity for the 'fringe' players to make a show for themselves. 

However if, as some one has stated, we aren't having a good season, do we play the first teamer/s, to build confidence, and get a win etc. But what then happens if one of the first teamers gets an injury in the cup match, people will be saying they shouldve been rested etc. I'm aware they can get injured at any time. 

Who'd be a manager? 

[lake district canary 4,268]

43 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Cups are always a tough one. 

We, and clubs our size will have less strength in depth, so a good opportunity for the 'fringe' players to make a show for themselves. 

However if, as some one has stated, we aren't having a good season, do we play the first teamer/s, to build confidence, and get a win etc. But what then happens if one of the first teamers gets an injury in the cup match, people will be saying they shouldve been rested etc. I'm aware they can get injured at any time. 

Who'd be a manager? 

For me our squad is going to be super strong and virtually any player would be able to step into the first team at any stage, league or cup.  Gone are the slighly older players - Vrancic, Stiepermann, Tettey - and in with new younger and quicker players. I actually think the squad is shaping up nicely and with plenty of attacking  options if we get Tzolis and Sargent on board too. 

The squad even now is virtually the equivalent of two good teams, so with any extras we get, a good season league and cup is possible.

[Greavsy 2,345]

11 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

For me our squad is going to be super strong and virtually any player would be able to step into the first team at any stage, league or cup.  Gone are the slighly older players - Vrancic, Stiepermann, Tettey - and in with new younger and quicker players. I actually think the squad is shaping up nicely and with plenty of attacking  options if we get Tzolis and Sargent on board too. 

The squad even now is virtually the equivalent of two good teams, so with any extras we get, a good season league and cup is possible.

Did you see our team inc the bench on Tuesday?  Doesnt look like 2 decent teams to me, struggled to one out.

[Feedthewolf 4,350]

4 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Did you see our team inc the bench on Tuesday?  Doesnt look like 2 decent teams to me, struggled to one out.

We did have seven first-teamers unavailable due to Covid, though, to be fair.

I started a thread about this earlier in the week, but it didn't really fly... so I'm gonna bump it

https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/143219-the-tried-and-tested-two-team-scenario/

[Year of the tiger 45]

Gunn, Mumba,Hanley, Zimmermann, Byram (ok I know) Sorensen, McLean, Hernandez,  Rashica, Placheta, Pukki.

I’ve seen worse City teams. None started on Wednesday

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Year of the tiger

[Greavsy 2,345]

3 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

We did have seven first-teamers unavailable due to Covid, though, to be fair.

I started a thread about this earlier in the week, but it didn't really fly... so I'm gonna bump it

https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/143219-the-tried-and-tested-two-team-scenario/

Thats my point, there will always be covid, injuries, suspensions, loss of form, etc.

#shamelessplug 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Greavsy

[Feedthewolf 4,350]

4 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Thats my point, there will always be covid, injuries, suspensions, loss of form, etc.

#shamelessplug 

Which, in turn, is the point of having 'two teams'. Obviously you're only starting 11 of them on any given day, so the 'two teams' thing is a measure of how much your nominal 'second XI' is weaker than the nominal 'first XI'.

[Canary Wundaboy 1,289]

We have to stay up this season. Anything that doesn't contribute directly to that objective is a luxury we cannot afford.

[Nuff Said 4,472]

9 minutes ago, Year of the tiger said:

Gunn, Mumba,Hanley, Zimmermann, Byram (ok I know) Sorensen, McLean, Hernandez,  Rashica, Placheta, Pukki.

I’ve seen worse City teams. None started on Wednesday

 

Jeez, what does Hanley have to do to persuade some things posters? You’d pick Big Andy over him?

[Greavsy 2,345]

1 minute ago, Feedthewolf said:

Which, in turn, is the point of having 'two teams'. Obviously you're only starting 11 of them on any given day, so the 'two teams' thing is a measure of how much your nominal 'second XI' is weaker than the nominal 'first XI'.

Exactly,  the 2nd XI is by definition always going to be weaker. But the 2nd XI at say Citeh is potentially stronger than our 1st XI.

I think we are saying the same, or at least very similar things.

[Nuff Said 4,472]

Just now, Canary Wundaboy said:

We have to stay up this season. Anything that doesn't contribute directly to that objective is a luxury we cannot afford.

Exactly. A cup run is nice to have, staying up is essential.

[lake district canary 4,268]

7 minutes ago, Feedthewolf said:

We did have seven first-teamers unavailable due to Covid, though, to be fair.

I started a thread about this earlier in the week, but it didn't really fly... so I'm gonna bump it

https://forum.pinkun.com/index.php?/topic/143219-the-tried-and-tested-two-team-scenario/

Shamelessly copying from your op (with a slight adjustment) to back up my cup team point, because it backs it up perfectly......

                         Krul
Aarons Hanley Gibson Giannoulis
          Gilmour Lees-Melou    
      Rashica Dowell Cantwell
                      Pukki

                        Gunn
Byram Zimmermann Omobamidele Mumba

                 Rupp Sorensen
       Hernandez Maclean Placheta

                          Idah

And that is without Sargent and Tzolis in, so if we get those two, it looks even better. 

[Year of the tiger 45]

2 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

Jeez, what does Hanley have to do to persuade some things posters? You’d pick Big Andy over him?

I was merely demonstrating the players who didn’t start the other night. Hanley would be one of the first names on my team sheet.

[Nuff Said 4,472]

Just now, Year of the tiger said:

I was merely demonstrating the players who didn’t start the other night. Hanley would be one of the first names on my team sheet.

My bad.

[Feedthewolf 4,350]

Just now, Greavsy said:

Exactly,  the 2nd XI is by definition always going to be weaker. But the 2nd XI at say Citeh is potentially stronger than our 1st XI.

I think we are saying the same, or at least very similar things.

Yeah, I think so. I think it was your comment "Did you see our team inc the bench on Tuesday?  Doesnt look like 2 decent teams to me, struggled to one out." that raised my eyebrows. I'd be very surprised to see Tomkinson or Adshead in any matchday squads for PL matches this season, and with a couple more signings in I reckon we'll have a pretty strong second XI with a couple more besides. It should be enough to protect against all but the worst injury/coronavirus crises... *touches wood*

[Capt. Pants 3,535]

I suspect we will make a decent fist of cups as it's a potential revenue stream. Don't forget there is no season ticket money coming in this season and all revenues will come from plastics/casuals.

We'll put out fairly strong teams I would imagine.

[NeymarSmith 130]

2 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Given the new players we are getting, it is fairly clear, to me at any rate, that they will not all get lots of minutes in the first few games of the season in the league and that cup games will be a good testing ground for them.  Our squad is going to be very strong this season, from goalkeeper to striker, so a good cup run or two would be very helpful.

Distarction from the league? If we keep clear of major injuries, no reason for that imo. Everything to play for, league and cups.

I think they is such a good post and question to open to us fans on here.

My head would say off the bat, forget the cups, throw everything at the league and landing 17th - that's a great season!

However, like LDC has stated, squads got some players in it, and they will be needed probably more this year than most premier seasons just as we don't know how the pandemic or pingdemic even will affect first 11 choices.

Also, yeah farke has given the cups a good go and I'd say although disappointed last time to get relegated the great run we had to the semi's was it , was a highlight of the season. And also, let's be honest, this season the cups are our only real hope of silverware

[NeymarSmith 130]

Adding to my above. 

Would anyone take a cup final over staying in the premier League?

[KeiranShikari 1,330]

4 minutes ago, NeymarSmith said:

Adding to my above. 

Would anyone take a cup final over staying in the premier League?

I think a lot of us would.

[HazzaJet 238]

Lambert called the cup an “ugly distraction” but Farke takes the cup seriously. I didn’t mind our cup run two years ago, as with relegation obvious it was something to enjoy. A good cup run does not help with the league, as Leeds proved in our League One season. I wasn’t alive in 1985, but I’ve read that we got relegated that season - I seem to recall there have been some other teams who have also reached a cup final and suffered from relegation since then

If we were a team regularly challenging for a top half finish/possible spot for Europe then I would like a fairly decent cup run, as we’d be expected to do reasonably well and it would be embarrassing to go out to an average Championship side or lower. This season I don’t give a toss about how well we do. We need to concentrate solely on survival and like Mid-Norfolk has said, a PL team not in Europe will play just about all their fixtures seven days apart if they make an early cup exit, allowing more time for training and fatigue recovery.

A lot of you have probably heard about that Leicester player who got a broken leg in a pre-season friendly. How would you like it if Pukki played in our first cup fixture and suffered from the same outcome?

Here is my possible XI for the league:

                          Krul

Aarons      Hanley     Gibson     Giannoulis

                 Gilmour    Lees-Melou

   Rashica            Dowell           Cantwell

                             Pukki

 

And here is my possible XI for the cup:

                                      Gunn

Mumba      Omobamidele     Zimmerman      Byram 

                            Rupp       Sorensen 

          Hernandez        McLean          Placheta

                                      Idah

Any more players we sign (eg Tzolis or Sargent) I would also give a go in our first cup fixture

 

[Big Vince 281]

4 hours ago, lake district canary said:

Given the new players we are getting, it is fairly clear, to me at any rate, that they will not all get lots of minutes in the first few games of the season in the league and that cup games will be a good testing ground for them.  Our squad is going to be very strong this season, from goalkeeper to striker, so a good cup run or two would be very helpful.

Distarction from the league? If we keep clear of major injuries, no reason for that imo. Everything to play for, league and cups.

You're having a laugh mate. We all know Delia's record in the cups and the clause in the manager's contract to say he must get knocked out or face the sack.

Very strong squad - you're having an even bigger laugh. On what basis are they going to finish any higher than bottom? There will be no one to score the goals as Pukki got found out last time. All the defenders are no good. Aarons got turned inside out by boy Danjuma in Chumps, Giannoulis unproven, Gibson too slow, Hanley Championship.

At the very least need £30 million striker and £15 million centre back.

[greendoor 16]

17 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

You're having a laugh mate. We all know Delia's record in the cups and the clause in the manager's contract to say he must get knocked out or face the sack.

I hope you merely play the fool, if not I'm sorry for those that have to experience your pessimism in person.

If I may offer a word of caution, "research shows perseverative negative thinking (e.g. worry, rumination) predicts subsequent depression and worse medical outcomes, suggesting interventions targeting perseverative negative thinking could improve depression and medical outcomes." 

Perseverative definition within psychology, "the continual involuntary repetition of a thought or behavior Perseveration is said to occur when the patient continues to give the answer to the previous question in response". 

[Big Vince 281]

5 minutes ago, greendoor said:

I hope you merely play the fool, if not I'm sorry for those that have to experience your pessimism in person.

If I may offer a word of caution, "research shows perseverative negative thinking (e.g. worry, rumination) predicts subsequent depression and worse medical outcomes, suggesting interventions targeting perseverative negative thinking could improve depression and medical outcomes." 

Perseverative definition within psychology, "the continual involuntary repetition of a thought or behavior Perseveration is said to occur when the patient continues to give the answer to the previous question in response". 

So you think I should check into a sanatorium so that my mind can be altered by doctors working as agents of Delia?

[Haus 234]

56 minutes ago, Big Vince said:

You're having a laugh mate. We all know Delia's record in the cups and the clause in the manager's contract to say he must get knocked out or face the sack.

Very strong squad - you're having an even bigger laugh. On what basis are they going to finish any higher than bottom? There will be no one to score the goals as Pukki got found out last time. All the defenders are no good. Aarons got turned inside out by boy Danjuma in Chumps, Giannoulis unproven, Gibson too slow, Hanley Championship.

At the very least need £30 million striker and £15 million centre back.

I mean, Pukki scored 11 in the Premier League, then got hurt at xmas.  If he'd stayed fit he'd have had a few more for sure.

Harry Kane had 18,

How many do you need our strikers to score ? 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Haus

[Grando 214]

5 hours ago, Midlands Yellow said:

Bang on the money, we want top 4 and a cup. 

Anything less than third and a cup would be a failure in my eyes...

[A Load of Squit 4,641]

10 minutes ago, Grando said:

Anything less than third and a cup would be a failure in my eyes...

Only one cup. Little old Norwich attitude strikes again.