Vaccine Passports - October 1st

[Matt Morriss 69]

1 minute ago, Fuzzar said:

Why not fùck off then?

Hahaaha well done Fuzzar for proving my point.

The sanctimony and old fartness is strong with this one 😂

[Badger 2,405]

37 minutes ago, Matt Morriss said:

The point I am making is that it seems like most just blindly believe everything Boris, the MSM and Big Pharma say, and don't question it. Even after they continue to show themselves to be liars.

Zahawi with the vaccine passports, Hancock cheating on his wife and handing out millon £ contracts to his mates. Basically anything Boris says. All liars. And yet the masses continue to follow and believe everything they say like good little compliant sheep.

Whilst you might feel that we have an almost uniquely bad govt (for a "democracy"), what about all the other governments that follow the same line of argument - are they all wrong? If so, is it just you and a small group of cognoscenti who really know the truth?

[Fuzzar 1,702]

1 minute ago, Matt Morriss said:

Hahaaha well done Fuzzar for proving my point.

The sanctimony and old fartness is strong with this one 😂

Nope, incorrect. But the suggestion still stands. 

[Greavsy 2,412]

1 minute ago, Matt Morriss said:

Hahaaha well done Fuzzar for proving my point.

The sanctimony and old fartness is strong with this one 😂

Oh the hypocrisy. 

@Matt MorrissYou could be a politician -  they are good at avoiding the question too - despite how many times its asked. 

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

Just now, Naturalcynic said:

A degree of cynicism and scepticism is probably a fairly healthy mindset to have, but choosing to disregard overwhelming scientific evidence in favour of siding with the likes of Piers Corbyn, Andrew Wakefield, Katy Hopkins and David Icke suggests very strongly a gullible conspiracy theorist.  The majority of your posts tend to support this.

I'm not sure that you can place Katy Hopkins and David Icke in the same category. Hopkins is, I believe, a professional agitator who discovered some time ago that she could make a good living by taking an extreme , contrary view.  I am not convinced that she actually means most of what she says. 

David Icke, however, is a proper nutcase. 

[Badger 2,405]

22 minutes ago, Matt Morriss said:

The vaccines either work or they don't.

No - they have between a 60 and 95% efficacy against all variants and there is evidence that the efficacy declines over time.

I would have thought that someone who seems to know everything would have known that.

[Matt Morriss 69]

2 minutes ago, Nuff Said said:

I don’t believe what Boris says, I think this government is a collection of liars, narcissists and the incompetent, lining their own nests, and those of their mates. 
 

That doesn’t mean I don’t think you and those who espouse similar views are anything other than the lunatic fringe. So am I a sheep or a free-thinker?

The problem with the nonsense you’ve been spouting, as was the case with Brexit and any number of other areas where the mentally challenged congregate, is that you use reductive thinking to make everything a binary, yes or no question. It is entirely possible that the government is highly reprehensible, but at the same time is saying and doing a lot that is absolutely correct. Just as there is lots to criticise about the EU, but on balance we were better off staying in. But no, you’re either pro-government, or anti-vaccination, and pro-Brexit or an EU lover.
 

Life is about shades of grey, and often the best we can do is choose the least worst option. 

This is where I disagree Nuff Said. I am a black and white thinker you are correct in your analogy. But I believe I and we are better served in life with positive, definitive and affirmative actions and decisions.

This is how I live my life. I do not believe wishy washy on the fence, non committal, should I do this but what if I do this,  shades of grey thinking  and rationale is the best way to approach life.

There is a saying I like, that I heard from Bob Proctor. He said successful people make decisions quickly and are slow to change their mind. Unsuccessful people are slow to make decisions and quick to change them. I agree with this 100% and up til now it has served me well.

Until i can't get into Carrow Road of course for choosing not to get the Vax 😔

[Greavsy 2,412]

3 minutes ago, Matt Morriss said:

This is where I disagree Nuff Said. I am a black and white thinker you are correct in your analogy. But I believe I and we are better served in life with positive, definitive and affirmative actions and decisions.

This is how I live my life. I do not believe wishy washy on the fence, non committal, should I do this but what if I do this,  shades of grey thinking  and rationale is the best way to approach life.

There is a saying I like, that I heard from Bob Proctor. He said successful people make decisions quickly and are slow to change their mind. Unsuccessful people are slow to make decisions and quick to change them. I agree with this 100% and up til now it has served me well.

Until i can't get into Carrow Road of course for choosing not to get the Vax 😔

So you'll stand by your principles until it impacts your life choices? is that what you are saying? 

Still waiting for the other questions too................

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

Still don't see anything what makes Soros so bothersome for some people.

[cornish sam 948]

3 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Still don't see anything what makes Soros so bothersome for some people.

It's because he's Jewish, they are in charge of the global cabal that keep the moon N@zis in check don't you know?

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

2 minutes ago, cornish sam said:

It's because he's Jewish, they are in charge of the global cabal that keep the moon N@zis in check don't you know?

I'd rather billionaires financially suppose causes like Soros is doing rather than send giant space dildos into the atmosphere like Bezos.

[Krul Mistress 36]

53 minutes ago, Matt Morriss said:

Errrrr no.

I didn't blindly believe Farage like I'm incapable of thought.

I agreed with his opinion in that I do not believe climate change caused Covid 19, there is a difference. 

Climate change isn't real, just like it wasn't real when it was called Global Warming before the rebrand.

Viruses have been on this earth for billions of years. Climate change did not cause Covid 19.

It's unfair that other people have to live on the same planet as you.

[Greavsy 2,412]

2 minutes ago, Krul Mistress said:

It's unfair that other people have to live on the same planet as you.

Its unfair that he is depriving people of oxygen, and even more of it, if you believe his point of view re not wearing a mask. 

[Mr Apples 1,317]

I especially like the concept that viruses have been on this Earth for billions of years...they must have been infecting the intergalactic squid creatures (long lost relatives of today's ruling lizard elite) which initially colonised Earth with a view to turning the planet into a giant living zoo/evolutionary theme park, for them to then walk amongst us and come on their holidays (a bit like a planetary Centre Parcs)...  🤦‍♂️🤣

Apples

[Creedence Clearwater Couto 1,251]

It's a shame that all people undecided on whether or not to have the vaccine are labelled 'anti vaxxers' and hurled abuse and insults. 

From what I can see, Matt Morriss makes some valid points. This is such an emotive subject and one that's been thrust upon us. Everybody will react differently, and have different views. The science is so blurry from all sides, that no one can sit on the moral high ground and shout down at another. I wish people could respect each other more.

The way our freedom was taking away so easily through lockdowns was, and remains, worrying.  The response to Covid-19 has been completely disproportionate to other illnesses. That's not me being cavalier to Covid-19 either.

I don't buy the whole narrative of get the jab and return to normal.. Most people are only going to have one vaccine (the current one). As pointed out earlier in the thread, its simply not viable to enter a continual vaccination programme. Therefore,  the masses will eventually be exposed to new coronavirus strains, with booster jabs reserved only for the vulnerable, as per the yearly flu jab. 

So are we just spending a fortune now, delaying the inevitable? 

 

Edited July 29, 2021 by Creedence Clearwater Couto

[MORDENCANARY 71]

Welcome to totalitarianism,  did we make huge sacrifices to fight for freedom in WW2.....only for Boris Johnson and Co to introduce it by the backdoor . 

[sgncfc 1,223]

There are some right nutters out there. Climate change isn't real; vaccines don't work. Is that another conspiracy by the lizards in the Royal Family?

If you think this is totalitarianism, I suggest you live in pretty much any Asian country where everything is much more controlled. You still have the freedom to spout all this drivel without repercussion, for example. 

(By the way, in WW2 we actually only fought Nazism because it became expansionist. It's likely that if Hitler had stayed within his borders we would have done nothing other than remonstrate. So whilst we did indeed eventually "make huge sacrifices for freedom" it was kind of forced on us. Claiming that an incompetent government is really a fifth column is a bit of a stretch.)

[CANARYKING 634]

You can argue the pros and cons all day long, the bottom line looks like you’re going to need a certificate for double jabs or negative test to get in, final answer 

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

1 hour ago, Nuff Said said:

I don’t believe what Boris says, I think this government is a collection of liars, narcissists and the incompetent, lining their own nests, and those of their mates. 
 

That doesn’t mean I don’t think you and those who espouse similar views are anything other than the lunatic fringe. So am I a sheep or a free-thinker?

The problem with the nonsense you’ve been spouting, as was the case with Brexit and any number of other areas where the mentally challenged congregate, is that you use reductive thinking to make everything a binary, yes or no question. It is entirely possible that the government is highly reprehensible, but at the same time is saying and doing a lot that is absolutely correct. Just as there is lots to criticise about the EU, but on balance we were better off staying in. But no, you’re either pro-government, or anti-vaccination, and pro-Brexit or an EU lover.
 

Life is about shades of grey, and often the best we can do is choose the least worst option. 

I don't think there's too many shades of grey about whether or not we are contributing to climate change, though.... 

[TheGunnShow 5,933]

It looks like I am still waiting for responses to my question about what makes Soros such a bogeyman. 

Especially when known dictatorial types like Orban are the critics.

[ncfcstar 287]

2 hours ago, Matt Morriss said:

Your just proving my point Sam.

How do you know Reuters and other fact check sites are 100% true? Reuters is an MSM news outlet is it not? Do you believe that the news media always tell the truth? 

The media and news are owned and controlled. And the fat controller controls what info the masses are told. If you don't believe this I cannot help you.

For example are you aware that fullfact is funded by George Soros, Google and Facebook? Millions given to them.

I think some people have a rose tinted view of the world and think no one lies and everyone is good. 

The reality is quite the opposite, and if you dig deep you will find the truth. And it usually has an undercurrent of greed, crime and immorality.

Oh so now we are straying into thinly veiled anti Semitism.  @Pete Raven or @pinkun_admin can you please do the necessary and stop this idiot from spewing any more bile.

[cornish sam 948]

19 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

It looks like I am still waiting for responses to my question about what makes Soros such a bogeyman. 

Especially when known dictatorial types like Orban are the critics.

I've already told you, he's Jewish (and left socialist leaning, but mainly he's Jewish) it's just none of them will admit that.

[Krul Mistress 36]

53 minutes ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

It's a shame that all people undecided on whether or not to have the vaccine are labelled 'anti vaxxers' and hurled abuse and insults. 

From what I can see, Matt Morriss makes some valid points.

 

There aren't credible argument against vaccination. Vaccine passports, masks, social distancing and all the other stuff are more subjective and can therefore be debated but the science and numbers behind vaccinations speak for themselves. It's okay that some people don't get that, but they should just leave it up to others, the others in this case being scientists that have spent their entire lives working on this stuff.

Matt Morriss is a horrible moron that is best ignored, if you've read even a tenth of his posts in this thread and can't see that then good luck to you.

[Matt Morriss 69]

1 hour ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

It's a shame that all people undecided on whether or not to have the vaccine are labelled 'anti vaxxers' and hurled abuse and insults. 

From what I can see, Matt Morriss makes some valid points. This is such an emotive subject and one that's been thrust upon us. Everybody will react differently, and have different views. The science is so blurry from all sides, that no one can sit on the moral high ground and shout down at another. I wish people could respect each other more.

The way our freedom was taking away so easily through lockdowns was, and remains, worrying.  The response to Covid-19 has been completely disproportionate to other illnesses. That's not me being cavalier to Covid-19 either.

I don't buy the whole narrative of get the jab and return to normal.. Most people are only going to have one vaccine (the current one). As pointed out earlier in the thread, its simply not viable to enter a continual vaccination programme. Therefore,  the masses will eventually be exposed to new coronavirus strains, with booster jabs reserved only for the vulnerable, as per the yearly flu jab. 

So are we just spending a fortune now, delaying the inevitable? 

 

Excellent CCC, shame all cant reply with such class.

 

[ncfcstar 287]

1 minute ago, Matt Morriss said:

ncfcstar go **** your self mate. Running to the head teacher. Pathetic. Grow up. 

There is also nothing remotely anti-semitic about what i have said, and your a despicable **** for trying to paint me with that brush.

I am perfectly within my rights to express an opinion that i think the worlds wealthy elite are synonomous with greed, crime and immorality. 

I have also stated a fact that Soros, Google and Facebook are connected with fullfact and funded millions.

I'm just calling you out for what you are, if you don't like it then that is your problem, not mine.  You are the person who brought up Soros, and the only reason he's ever brought up is because he is the figurehead for most of the pathetic anti-semitic tropes out there.  

And if you really are ignorant enough to not know that, then I'd advise you turn facebook off and return to the real world for a bit.

[Matt Morriss 69]

4 minutes ago, Krul Mistress said:

There aren't credible argument against vaccination. Vaccine passports, masks, social distancing and all the other stuff are more subjective and can therefore be debated but the science and numbers behind vaccinations speak for themselves. It's okay that some people don't get that, but they should just leave it up to others, the others in this case being scientists that have spent their entire lives working on this stuff.

Matt Morriss is a horrible moron that is best ignored, if you've read even a tenth of his posts in this thread and can't see that then good luck to you.

I'm a horrible moron?

Interesting. Ok, so in your view somebody that doesnt believe it is fair that those who choose not to be vaccinated, for various reasons, some of which are medical, and well as personal opinon, should be discriminated against?

Further to that, someone who disagrees with the masses, refuses to just accept what is peddled to them by lying politicians, is also a horrible moron?

congratulations KM, you also just proved my point that some on here are sanctimonious, clique ****, and borderline fascists who shout down anyone who dares to post something they disagree with.

Literally by your metric, anyone who posts an opinion you dont agree with is a moron. 

[cornish sam 948]

1 hour ago, Creedence Clearwater Couto said:

It's a shame that all people undecided on whether or not to have the vaccine are labelled 'anti vaxxers' and hurled abuse and insults. 

From what I can see, Matt Morriss makes some valid points. This is such an emotive subject and one that's been thrust upon us. Everybody will react differently, and have different views. The science is so blurry from all sides, that no one can sit on the moral high ground and shout down at another. I wish people could respect each other more.

The way our freedom was taking away so easily through lockdowns was, and remains, worrying.  The response to Covid-19 has been completely disproportionate to other illnesses. That's not me being cavalier to Covid-19 either.

I don't buy the whole narrative of get the jab and return to normal.. Most people are only going to have one vaccine (the current one). As pointed out earlier in the thread, its simply not viable to enter a continual vaccination programme. Therefore,  the masses will eventually be exposed to new coronavirus strains, with booster jabs reserved only for the vulnerable, as per the yearly flu jab. 

So are we just spending a fortune now, delaying the inevitable? 

 

No, people who are undecided are not called anti-vaxers, anti-vaxers are the people who spout guff and conspiracy theories whilst decrying people who have had the jab as being sheep. Some people have justifiable concerns realting to the vaccine (my step dad for instance delayed having his for ages despite the fact he's over 80 and was shielding because he has a propensity towards allergic reactions), however, what Matt morriss is doing is regurgitating baseless conspiracy theories that are actively harming the push to get out of this pandemic.

To address your point about the return to normal and kicking the can down the road, one of the main reasons why mass vaccination will help significantly is it will reduce the host pool, thereby reducing the chances for mutations and adaptations that could make this more of a long-term case with rolling lockdowns. The less chance for mutation the less the virus will move from our existing protection. If we have significant pools of people not vaccinated within a greater population of vaccinated then the virus will mutate within the unvaccinated pool and keep trying to infect vaccinated, when the mutation confers a protection against the immunity given by the vaccine then it will start replicating within the greater vaccinated population and we're back to the current situation. I few pages back I posted a video of an experiment with e-coli that shows this process in action, I would advise anyone to watch it who has doubts as to the benefits of mass vaccination.

[Krul Mistress 36]

Just now, Matt Morriss said:

I'm a horrible moron?

Interesting. Ok, so in your view somebody that doesnt believe it is fair that those who choose not to be vaccinated, for various reasons, some of which are medical, and well as personal opinon, should be discriminated against?

Further to that, someone who disagrees with the masses, refuses to just accept what is peddled to them by lying politicians, is also a horrible moron?

congratulations KM, you also just proved my point that some on here are sanctimonious, clique ****, and borderline fascists who shout down anyone who dares to post something they disagree with.

Literally by your metric, anyone who posts an opinion you dont agree with is a moron. 

No just you in this instance. I have no real issue with what CCC posted before.

[Graham Paddons Beard 2,424]

1 hour ago, MORDENCANARY said:

Welcome to totalitarianism,  did we make huge sacrifices to fight for freedom in WW2.....only for Boris Johnson and Co to introduce it by the backdoor . 

I would make it crystal clear that Boris will not be introducing anything to me via the backdoor. 

 

[Matt Morriss 69]

2 minutes ago, ncfcstar said:

I'm just calling you out for what you are, if you don't like it then that is your problem, not mine.  You are the person who brought up Soros, and the only reason he's ever brought up is because he is the figurehead for most of the pathetic anti-semitic tropes out there.  

And if you really are ignorant enough to not know that, then I'd advise you turn facebook off and return to the real world for a bit.

I am not aware he is the figurehead for most of the pathetic anti-semitic tropes out there.  

Im not even sure i was aware he is Jewish.

What i was doing however is just stating facts to make a point. That point being that FullFact was funded with millons by Google and Facebook, the same firms that have attempted to censor many agaisnt the Govt narrative. Soros is part of the world elite, and has also funded FullFact. I believe he even founded fullfact, though i could be wrong.

My point is you cant take as red internet sites such as FullFact.

there is nothing anti-semitic about what i said and you are out of order for suggesting it.