dylanisabaddog 4,868 Posted July 7, 2021 I've now had 3 people ask me where I'm going to watch the final on Sunday. I hope this feeling of optimism isn't reaching the players. I know England should win but Denmark are no mugs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 114 Posted July 7, 2021 There was an interesting article where the Croatian players noted that in 2014 that the media and noise of England are in the final egged them on to beat England in the semi final. I think it was the chanting of footballs coming home and they said 'hey you have to get through us first I can certainly see teams always upping themselves for England in any case but the type of talk and expectation that follows England is also going to get to other nations. Denmark are on a journey here, hard working, emotion behind them and capable. England know the journey to here has been fortunate as was the 2014 world Cup if I remember correctly. Going to be a good game, hopefully both are not too cagey from the off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MORDENCANARY 71 Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) I 11 minutes ago, smooth said: There was an interesting article where the Croatian players noted that in 2014 that the media and noise of England are in the final egged them on to beat England in the semi final. I think it was the chanting of footballs coming home and they said 'hey you have to get through us first I can certainly see teams always upping themselves for England in any case but the type of talk and expectation that follows England is also going to get to other nations. Denmark are on a journey here, hard working, emotion behind them and capable. England know the journey to here has been fortunate as was the 2014 world Cup if I remember correctly. Going to be a good game, hopefully both are not too cagey from the off. I don't think you do " remember correctly"....It was 2018 not 2014 ! Edited July 7, 2021 by MORDENCANARY Spelling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dylanisabaddog 4,868 Posted July 7, 2021 Fortunate is a bit of an understatement but that's not England's fault. From a football point of view I would have liked to see the best 8 teams in the quarter finals. UEFA need to look at what has happened and do it better in future. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,675 Posted July 7, 2021 Yes, we should have a good enough team to beat Denmark. But end of the day if there is one thing I have learned from watching England my whole life it's to always expect disappointment 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted July 7, 2021 58 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: I've now had 3 people ask me where I'm going to watch the final on Sunday. I hope this feeling of optimism isn't reaching the players. I know England should win but Denmark are no mugs. To be honest I was worried when in the post match press after the Germany match... Southgate spent several minutes talking about how good Sweden are, before they'd played Ukraine. Perhaps that worked by making Sweden feel over confident! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted July 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said: Fortunate is a bit of an understatement but that's not England's fault. From a football point of view I would have liked to see the best 8 teams in the quarter finals. UEFA need to look at what has happened and do it better in future. Eh? No.... They should never attempt to engineer nothing of the sort. They'll have funny ideas about who the 'best 8' are, like the ESL who invited Spurs! Croatia in a final and Greece winning it in modern history. It's UEFA's fault that Belgium have blown their chances by giving their golden generation to Roberto Martinez is it? Ha. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TeemuVanBasten said: Eh? No.... They should never attempt to engineer nothing of the sort. They'll have funny ideas about who the 'best 8' are, like the ESL who invited Spurs! Croatia in a final and Greece winning it in modern history. It's UEFA's fault that Belgium have blown their chances by giving their golden generation to Roberto Martinez is it? Ha. Exactly this. Its hardly UEFA to blame for France and Germany getting knocked out. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,759 Posted July 7, 2021 Today is the first time I've felt nervous before a game, even the Germany game I had no doubts we'd win it. Just something about the Danes which reminds me of '92 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
smooth 114 Posted July 7, 2021 50 minutes ago, MORDENCANARY said: I I don't think you do " remember correctly"....It was 2018 not 2014 ! Ha ha I was pushing back in my mind ha ha Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Norfolk Dan 308 Posted July 7, 2021 You have to take the chances that present themselves. I'm supporting with hope with hope we do it. Other than that... It over to the gods of football..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, dylanisabaddog said: I've now had 3 people ask me where I'm going to watch the final on Sunday. I hope this feeling of optimism isn't reaching the players. I know England should win but Denmark are no mugs. Yeah, the arrogance already is a bit, well, arrogant! My hopes for winning the thing went down considerably as soon as I saw the ‘it’s coming home’ suit being made for Gareth Southgate! Kaspar Schmeichel did make me laugh though, didn’t he say ‘It’s coming home? It’s never actually been home has it?’ Ha ha 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted July 7, 2021 I fear that England will win and precipitate a massive wave of Tubthumping nationalism . 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
king canary 7,578 Posted July 7, 2021 Yeah lots of talk yesterday about who we'd rather play in the final before we're even there got me a touch worried. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Monkey 52 Posted July 7, 2021 Personally I always prefer to remain optimistic - but a lifetime supporting Norwich and England can put the dampers on a little bit. More than that, I have never in my lifetime seen England get past the semi finals... Its not so much that I expect to lose, but more that I have never seen us win at this stage... Not sure if that makes any sense. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Fuzzar 1,702 Posted July 7, 2021 No, I feel strangely confident about tonight. 2-0 in normal time. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fuzzar said: No, I feel strangely confident about tonight. 2-0 in normal time. Fuzzar I was thoroughly enjoying a nice little doom laden coffee until you showed up cheers mate 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,618 Posted July 7, 2021 Really enjoyed this tournament, been great seeing fans back. Desperate for us to make the final but we shouldn't be making any assumptions. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BobLoz3 492 Posted July 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, Alex Moss said: Yeah, the arrogance already is a bit, well, arrogant! My hopes for winning the thing went down considerably as soon as I saw the ‘it’s coming home’ suit being made for Gareth Southgate! Kaspar Schmeichel did make me laugh though, didn’t he say ‘It’s coming home? It’s never actually been home has it?’ Ha ha Yeah he totally blitzed the reporter there! 🤣 He then said, "Well we won in 1966!" To which Kaspar replied "Wasn't that the World Cup?!" 🤣 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 7, 2021 1 minute ago, BobLoz3 said: Yeah he totally blitzed the reporter there! 🤣 He then said, "Well we won in 1966!" To which Kaspar replied "Wasn't that the World Cup?!" 🤣 Yeah, football allegiance aside, his banter did make me laugh, Bob - ‘it’s never actually been home has it?’ 😂😂😂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,777 Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Alex Moss said: Yeah, the arrogance already is a bit, well, arrogant! My hopes for winning the thing went down considerably as soon as I saw the ‘it’s coming home’ suit being made for Gareth Southgate! Kaspar Schmeichel did make me laugh though, didn’t he say ‘It’s coming home? It’s never actually been home has it?’ Ha ha *Complete pedant alert* "It's coming home" was a reference to the sport itself returning to England as opposed to the trophy, ergo by having the semis and final at Wembley, football already has come home 🙂 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex Moss 2,165 Posted July 7, 2021 Just now, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: *Complete pedant alert* "It's coming home" was a reference to the sport itself returning to England as opposed to the trophy, ergo by having the semis and final at Wembley, football already has come home 🙂 Yep, ha ha, I did point this out to someone yesterday Wacky that the phrase came about as a reference to the origin of the beautiful game rather than where the trophies belong, but KS’s cheeky pop still made me laugh anyway - a good natured bit of banter between rivals in football is always a good thing in my eyes buddy! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Monty13 2,229 Posted July 7, 2021 56 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: I fear that England will win and precipitate a massive wave of Tubthumping nationalism . Not sure why mainly the English, and it’s mainly a class thing, are so scared of English nationalism. Yes there is a moron minority who will inevitably do something stupid, but they are always there, the National team winning hasn’t created them and not sure why we have to let them ruin it for the rest of us. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,160 Posted July 7, 2021 3 hours ago, dylanisabaddog said: I've now had 3 people ask me where I'm going to watch the final on Sunday. I hope this feeling of optimism isn't reaching the players. I know England should win but Denmark are no mugs. I'll be watching the final at home on Sunday with my family. Whether England will be playing is another matter !!! 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gibbo 131 Posted July 7, 2021 Just put my bet on Denmark to win, so feeling more confident now! It works with Norwich... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,089 Posted July 7, 2021 1 hour ago, wcorkcanary said: I fear that England will win and precipitate a massive wave of Tubthumping nationalism . Yeah, but that will be offset by England being managed by Wokey McWokeface. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,195 Posted July 7, 2021 Denmark have form of beating England at Wembley albeit with us having Maquire sent off early on. Those things can happen and we haven't yet had a moment of drama with a sending off this tournament. All of the hype is from the media and the players will know to take nothing for granted. I think we will see a very cagey England tonight. 1-0 or penalties victory for England. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 5,089 Posted July 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: *Complete pedant alert* "It's coming home" was a reference to the sport itself returning to England as opposed to the trophy, ergo by having the semis and final at Wembley, football already has come home 🙂 Good article on The Athletic about the song and how the lyrics are absolutely about the hope in the face of continual failure. But that message gets lost in the nationalist tub-thumping which we see in parts of the media, and it’s that latter aspect that tends to get seen by our opponents. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,329 Posted July 7, 2021 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Monty13 said: Not sure why mainly the English, and it’s mainly a class thing, are so scared of English nationalism. Yes there is a moron minority who will inevitably do something stupid, but they are always there, the National team winning hasn’t created them and not sure why we have to let them ruin it for the rest of us. My problem is with nationalism full stop. Im definitely not scared of it.... its a bit embarrassing really.English, Chinese, outer Mongolian , it matters not. Yeah, a bit of yahooing, but a win in the Euros doesn't change much, in fact I'd go as far as to say its a distraction from what really matters. Edited July 7, 2021 by wcorkcanary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
