Seems like the Tories don't want football to come home

[Too Bad 6]

  Privileged athletes taking a knee is empty virtue signalling. It's also insulting to the society that welcomed in millions of migrants from Africa, Asia, eastern Europe and the Caribbean. Do they take a knee in Kenya or Zimbabwe? Hatred against fellow countrymen of different ethnicities runs deep there. How about in India? Or Russia? That would take real balls. Doing it in safe Western arenas isn't brave. 

[Herman 9,754]

Apologies for carrying this on but it has been explained simply and succinctly why our footballers are taking the knee to make it really easy to understand yet people are still coming up with utter nonsense like above. You simply don't want to understand and it's sad to see fellow countrymen showing willful ignorance.

[TheGunnShow 5,937]

2 minutes ago, Herman said:

Apologies for carrying this on but it has been explained simply and succinctly why our footballers are taking the knee to make it really easy to understand yet people are still coming up with utter nonsense like above. You simply don't want to understand and it's sad to see fellow countrymen showing willful ignorance.

I can accept the argument (which I think Les Ferdinand and Ian Wright have made) that there's a degree of slacktivism to it, but at the same time how anyone would have a problem with footballers taking a knee for a few seconds before a game is amusing beyond belief. I'd be more inclined to ask "ok, there's an issue, now how can we resolve it?"

Of course, my favourite is the one where they say it "disrespected the flag" or "disrespected the anthem". What, like booing that of the other country before a football match??

[TopTory 4]

It is either 'take a knee' or have their social media standing trashed by wokemongering Twitter trolls.

 

It's as simple as that.

 

 

[kirku 1,332]

41 minutes ago, TopTory said:

It is either 'take a knee' or have their social media standing trashed by wokemongering Twitter trolls.

 

It's as simple as that.

 

 

Why don't you use your real account?

[TopTory 4]

10 minutes ago, kirku said:

Why don't you use your real account?

Oh dear.... and along comes Sherlock.

 

 

 

 

[TheGunnShow 5,937]

47 minutes ago, kirku said:

Why don't you use your real account?

Obvious. Too much of a coward.

[TopTory 4]

Ha ha... playground stuff.

[king canary 7,603]

Imagine being such a weirdo that you join a Norwich City football forum with a username entirely about your politics. Bizarre. 

[TopTory 4]

Obsessed with me or what?

 

Play the ball... not the man laddie.

[king canary 7,603]

12 minutes ago, TopTory said:

Obsessed with me or what?

 

Play the ball... not the man laddie.

There isn't really much of a ball to play is there? It'll just be all the hits in varying orders...

'waah waah waah woke people waah waah elites waah waah take back control waah waah did you know the ****'s were actually socialists waah waah.'

I'll pass.

[Jerzy Krukowski 5]

10 hours ago, Too Bad said:

  Privileged athletes taking a knee is empty virtue signalling. It's also insulting to the society that welcomed in millions of migrants from Africa, Asia, eastern Europe and the Caribbean. Do they take a knee in Kenya or Zimbabwe? Hatred against fellow countrymen of different ethnicities runs deep there. How about in India? Or Russia? That would take real balls. Doing it in safe Western arenas isn't brave. 

Why is it insulting?

[BigFish 1,986]

11 hours ago, Too Bad said:

  Privileged athletes taking a knee is empty virtue signalling. It's also insulting to the society that welcomed in millions of migrants from Africa, Asia, eastern Europe and the Caribbean. Do they take a knee in Kenya or Zimbabwe? Hatred against fellow countrymen of different ethnicities runs deep there. How about in India? Or Russia? That would take real balls. Doing it in safe Western arenas isn't brave. 

 

1 hour ago, Jerzy Krukowski said:

Why is it insulting?

I think @Too Bad finds the victims of racism expressing solidarity with each other and their communities a criticism of his right to abuse people of different nationalities and races, @Jerzy Krukowski. He also seems to think there is something wrong with virtue signalling when sportsmen are encouraged to set a good example. Obviously doesn't believe treating everyone the same is a virtue.

[Too Bad 6]

2 hours ago, Jerzy Krukowski said:

Why is it insulting?

It's insulting because the vast majority of migrants to Western democracies are people of different races and religions who are fleeing real, actual bigotry and abuse, and are generally welcomed. But self-loathing pant wetters try to portray our civilization as cruel when it is the exact opposite. 

[Herman 9,754]

Sign the petition.😀

https://action.labour.org.uk/page/86118/petition/1?locale=en-GB

[BigFish 1,986]

7 hours ago, Too Bad said:

It's insulting because the vast majority of migrants to Western democracies are people of different races and religions who are fleeing real, actual bigotry and abuse, and are generally welcomed. But self-loathing pant wetters try to portray our civilization as cruel when it is the exact opposite. 

We spell it civilisation in the UK, if you can't get that right what chance have you got even understanding the symbolism of taking the knee.

[BigFish 1,986]

8 hours ago, BigFish said:

 

I think @Too Bad finds the victims of racism expressing solidarity with each other and their communities a criticism of his right to abuse people of different nationalities and races, @Jerzy Krukowski. He also seems to think there is something wrong with virtue signalling when sportsmen are encouraged to set a good example. Obviously doesn't believe treating everyone the same is a virtue.

Instructive that you didn't, or couldn't respond to this, @Too Bad.

[Well b back 3,201]

On 08/07/2021 at 21:39, TopTory said:

What a shame that our beautiful Conservative run county of Norfolk is otherwise blighted by such bitter lefties in Norwich.

 

 

 

Thought you were all boycotting the games ? Or has that changed now we are doing so well.

I expect if we win on Monday we will be told how it wouldn’t have happened had they not invested 455 billion pounds in the England team, and how they will be giving grassroots football 350 million pounds a week to ensure that we carry on developing world class footballers.

[kirku 1,332]

I, for one, can't stand those over-privileged Marxist babies giving money to the NHS. It's a disgrace.

They should let the Conservative government starve it of funding like real patriots.

[horsefly 4,297]

On 08/07/2021 at 21:39, TopTory said:

What a shame that our beautiful Conservative run county of Norfolk is otherwise blighted by such bitter lefties in Norwich.

 

 

 

Perhaps you would be happier in a one-party state like North Korea. Just say the word and I'll start a crowd-funding campaign for your one-way ticket.

[lake district canary 4,531]

10 minutes ago, horsefly said:

Perhaps you would be happier in a one-party state like North Korea. Just say the word and I'll start a crowd-funding campaign for your one-way ticket.

Unfortunately we are heading for being a one-party state in this country. The way the right wing has become more prominent should worry all of us.

Unfortunately, the taking of the knee, which started out with good intentions, is now a poisoned chalice and a focal point upon which fascists and racists can make their voice heard at football matches. It's counter productive, but to stop it now would make the racists feel as if they have won. It's a conundrum.

The booing of other nations' national anthems is part of that too. It brings shame on our country and it's image abroad and why this is not condemned by politicians and the media much more, is a mystery to me. If the Italian anthem is booed, it will taint the match from an England point of view, whatever the result.  There is nothing more ugly than the racist side to English nationalism - it attracts the scum element in society who think they can abuse others because they are not the same as them.  They may be a scum minority but as usual that scum minority are ruining it for the rest. 

 

[TheGunnShow 5,937]

[horsefly 4,297]

On 09/07/2021 at 03:14, Too Bad said:

  Privileged athletes taking a knee is empty virtue signalling. It's also insulting to the society that welcomed in millions of migrants from Africa, Asia, eastern Europe and the Caribbean. Do they take a knee in Kenya or Zimbabwe? Hatred against fellow countrymen of different ethnicities runs deep there. How about in India? Or Russia? That would take real balls. Doing it in safe Western arenas isn't brave. 

Perhaps you would like to provide us with a list of those egregious acts footballers are allowed to protest against, and those for which their freedom of speech should be taken away. Clearly you believe that the hideous racist abuse suffered by their fellow players of colour is not something for which they should be allowed to exercise their normal democratic rights to protest against, so I assume you must have some criteria that explains why. 

While you're at it, perhaps you can also explain in what sense these footballers are "privileged" as opposed to being incredibly talented athletes who have earned their position in the team on individual merit. 

Let's not stop there. Do feel free to explain how it is insulting to English "society" for members of the England football team to demonstrate to the fans of other countries that they expect all the players of the England football team to be treated with equal respect irrespective of their ethnicity or colour. 

Finally, do feel to explain what is supposed to be the relevance of the facts that they don't take the knee in Kenya, or Zimbabwe, or India, or Russia. I'm sure you have some evidence to show that what you yourself describe as the, " Hatred against fellow countrymen of different ethnicities [that] runs deep there" should be our guiding principle in stopping the practice of taking the knee to protest against such hatred. I wouldn't want people to think that you are just spouting bone-headed irrelevant "whataboutery".

 

[BigFish 1,986]

2 hours ago, kirku said:

I, for one, can't stand those over-privileged Marxist babies giving money to the NHS. It's a disgrace.

They should let the Conservative government starve it of funding like real patriots.

Agree, nothing but over-privileged Marxist man babies. Particularly, when our impoverished PM doesn't know who is going to pay for his next Caribbean holiday and interior decoration or a £200 million yacht no one wants. Boo their virtue signalling, boo the Eyetie's national anthem, deport their immigrant grand parents and stand up for British decency.

[Badger 2,405]

On 09/07/2021 at 03:14, Too Bad said:

  Privileged athletes taking a knee is empty virtue signalling.

They also sing the national Anthem - is that virtue signalling too?

I buy and wear a poppy near Remembrance Day - virtue signalling?

Bow my head in prayer - virtue signalling?

Give up my seat to old people on the bus - virtue signalling?

What a horrible world you inhabit! 🥴

[horsefly 4,297]

4 minutes ago, Badger said:

They also sing the national Anthem - is that virtue signalling too?

I buy and wear a poppy near Remembrance Day - virtue signalling?

Bow my head in prayer - virtue signalling?

Give up my seat to old people on the bus - virtue signalling?

What a horrible world you inhabit! 🥴

You'll be telling us next Badger, that you sometimes donate money to charity. You would never find a true patriot like Too Bad doing something so egregious as that. 

[wcorkcanary 4,334]

Once again Badgero, you've  nailed it with far rewer words than I could. I feel sorry  for cretins like that, they really must have low self esteem to feel the need to criticise people this way.

Kneel or not , it's their choice and I would no more criticise Sterling for doing it than I would Zimbo for not.

The only rules in such circumstances  are tolerance and respect. ....its what will make the world a better place.

I respect Cambridgeo  for his self depreciation and take it on the chin posting style. Just as I respect   Waveneys  cowardly snideyness about most things  Norwich....it takes all sorts.

[horsefly 4,297]

On 09/07/2021 at 03:14, Too Bad said:

It's also insulting to the society that welcomed in millions of migrants from Africa, Asia, eastern Europe and the Caribbean.

I love old photos. I don't suppose you have any of yourself holding up banners welcoming in the immigrants of whom you speak?

Edited July 10, 2021 by horsefly

[kirku 1,332]

44 minutes ago, BigFish said:

Agree, nothing but over-privileged Marxist man babies. Particularly, when our impoverished PM doesn't know who is going to pay for his next Caribbean holiday and interior decoration or a £200 million yacht no one wants. Boo their virtue signalling, boo the Eyetie's national anthem, deport their immigrant grand parents and stand up for British decency.

Finally, someone is saying what we're all thinking. Did you get your GB News slot sorted? I heard they're short after the founder did a runner.

[ron obvious 1,502]

What exactly does kneeling before, bowing before, or indeed (in extreme cases) prostrating yourself before someone actually symbolize? It means you consider that person or institution in some way superior to yourself (e.g. God as the ultimate being or The Queen representing the UK).

So who is meant to be the person or institution we should kneel before in this case? It appears to be a career criminal who became a victim & therefore, bizarrely, a hero. Insane.