Going back to CR - Yes or No

[Greavsy 2,584]

54 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

Full capacity stadia confirmed after July 19th. 

Think they could have done it for the Euros too this week, not sure there's really any difference from 60,000 in a 90,000 stadium to full capacity in regards to less transmission. 

Apart from 1/3 of the seats being empty you mean?! 😉 

[Ken Hairy 4,198]

48 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Apart from 1/3 of the seats being empty you mean?! 😉 

😂You know what I mean, there's hardly going to be social distancing with 60,000 regardless of how many empty seats. 

Good enough for the toff brigade to get full houses for Wimbledon. 

[Greavsy 2,584]

16 minutes ago, Ken Hairy said:

😂You know what I mean, there's hardly going to be social distancing with 60,000 regardless of how many empty seats. 

Good enough for the toff brigade to get full houses for Wimbledon. 

Its not just whilst at the game, its the trains / buses car parks etc getting home. 

[Kenny Foggo 1,172]

Can not make Liverpool as I will be on holiday in Medeira but will most likely go as long as death / hospital rates and variants dictate it's sensible to do so. 

[Ken Hairy 4,198]

Just now, Greavsy said:

Its not just whilst at the game, its the trains / buses car parks etc getting home. 

They've all been back to being rammed for months, still wouldn't make a difference. 

Also if we are to go back to full capacity, then 3 full capacity test events just before the full unlocking would seem a good idea (like at the cricket and tennis, you know the posh toff sports that politicians probably like more). 

[Greavsy 2,584]

I think it takes longer than that to get the results from a test event. 

You seem to have made your mind up irrespective of the facts, ie ignored that they altered some rules re quarantine to allow extra (sponsors and Eufa guests ) into the Euro semis / finals. 

Whilst I take your point re Wimbledon / Cricket are portrayed as that, I know plenty of people who are no way toffs who attend events. (even one who attended the opening day of  Wimbledon last Monday, and then England Germany on the Tuesday). My son who is by no means a toff, or rich has tickets for the cricket next week, so they are available to all, not just the privileged as you alluded to.  

[shefcanary 2,854]

Test events, schmestbadents.  Less than 20% of attendees participate fully in the test so it really is a farce as far as real life confirmation of people's behaviour is concerned.  All its proven is that 80% couldn't give a toss as long as they get access to a sporting event / gig!

[Greavsy 2,584]

3 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

Test events, schmestbadents.  Less than 20% of attendees participate fully in the test so it really is a farce as far as real life confirmation of people's behaviour is concerned.  All its proven is that 80% couldn't give a toss as long as they get access to a sporting event / gig!

Do you have a link to these stats? 

[shefcanary 2,854]

7 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

Do you have a link to these stats? 

Actually was worse than I said.

"All attendees were also asked to take a voluntary pre- and post-event PCR test to aid the programme’s research, but only 15 per cent of people did this, raising the possibility that some individuals may have been infectious or infected at the time of the event but went undetected because of the inaccuracy of the LFTs."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-event-pilots-cases-club-b1872822.html

[Greavsy 2,584]

2 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

Actually was worse than I said.

"All attendees were also asked to take a voluntary pre- and post-event PCR test to aid the programme’s research, but only 15 per cent of people did this, raising the possibility that some individuals may have been infectious or infected at the time of the event but went undetected because of the inaccuracy of the LFTs."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/health/covid-event-pilots-cases-club-b1872822.html

They were voluntary - so hardly a strict test. 

[shefcanary 2,854]

4 minutes ago, Greavsy said:

They were voluntary - so hardly a strict test. 

Indeed, hence my comment above.  What was the point....?  Just a smokescreen to try and placate all parties.  Usual huff and puff, smoke and mirrors.  Either go all in or go all out.  At least as of today we now have the real view of life from this government.  Its down to individual choice!  

[Greavsy 2,584]

I agree, for it to be a fair test it has to have 100% compliance for it to have any relevance. 

[Badger 2,741]

Probably go, but having been classified as CEV I shall be keeping a close eye on the stats for hospitalisations and deaths.

My understanding is that the double-jabbed have between 90 and 95% protection from infection, presumably meaning that between 5 and 10% will be infected. With projections of up to100,000 daily cases the virus will be widespread but current data is not really clear yet.

[City 2nd 192]

So with the extension of self isolation for another six weeks, and with cases rising dramatically, it’s now suggested another two million+ will contract Covid this summer. So is it safe?! And why the delay?

[CANARYKING 694]

I’m leaning towards NO everyday which is a real bummer because I miss it so much

[Capt. Pants 4,773]

It will be high risk attending football grounds at full capacity in terms of being infected. I sit in the Upper Barclay, and the location of the bars and toilets is less than ideal. It's a risk I'm prepared to take but probably not fair on people I subsequently come into contact with, but can't let that rule my life. 

The remainder of the Euros and early part of next season are real live test events. My gut feel is we won't see a full season at full capacity at Carrow Rd.

[Gordon Bennett 863]

I would absolutely go back and feel safe doing so. Its time to start living our lives again alongside covid.

[AJ 1,324]

Can't wait to get my new team strip hazmat suit!

[Bannana Boy 32]

I'll be back, and I can't wait.  I've missed everything that the restrictions have taken away and it really has been wonderful to have a slice of semi-normality back.

That being said I'll be masked up indoors and avoid the concourses before kick off and at half-time (as an aside I really don't know why that restriction is being dropped - evidence from Israel points to it being a reasonably daft thing to do).

We've a long way to go before we get back to "normal normality" and I'm worried, personally, by the blasé attitude of some (not just the government).  We know that long covid affects the young and with 100K+ cases there are many partially or unvaccinated who are going to get ill.  It does feel a little like those under 40, who have sacrified a lot over the last 18 months or so, are being thrown to the wolves a bit.

[lake district canary 4,713]

It's not going to go away and much like flu and other things like norovirus, it is going to be something we just have to accept as part of everyday life. Yes, it will carry on causing deaths, but flu still causes deaths and there is the prospect that flu will be an issue later this year as normal socialising will see instances of that increase. 

The vaccines are the thing that will help everyone going forwards, flu jabs and covid jabs for older people a must and for others who are vulnerable - and as long as people vaccinated, going to sports events should be ok.  Personally, I think everyone of every age should get covid vaccinated as it definitely helps lessen the effects of the virus and may help slow it down too.

I have been as neurotically isolating myself as much as possible over the last year and a half, but recognise I have to get over that and move on and maybe accept that at some stage I, like millions of others, will get a watered down version of the virus, such that it doesn't cause any major problems.  Life has to go on and so does football.......

[Naturalcynic 817]

23 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

It's not going to go away and much like flu and other things like norovirus, it is going to be something we just have to accept as part of everyday life. Yes, it will carry on causing deaths, but flu still causes deaths and there is the prospect that flu will be an issue later this year as normal socialising will see instances of that increase. 

The vaccines are the thing that will help everyone going forwards, flu jabs and covid jabs for older people a must and for others who are vulnerable - and as long as people vaccinated, going to sports events should be ok.  Personally, I think everyone of every age should get covid vaccinated as it definitely helps lessen the effects of the virus and may help slow it down too.

I have been as neurotically isolating myself as much as possible over the last year and a half, but recognise I have to get over that and move on and maybe accept that at some stage I, like millions of others, will get a watered down version of the virus, such that it doesn't cause any major problems.  Life has to go on and so does football.......

Not often I agree with everything you say, but on this occasion I do.  Whether I’ll have the courage of my convictions by mid-August is another matter!

[Lord Horn (again) 148]

49 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

It's not going to go away and much like flu and other things like norovirus, it is going to be something we just have to accept as part of everyday life. Yes, it will carry on causing deaths, but flu still causes deaths and there is the prospect that flu will be an issue later this year as normal socialising will see instances of that increase. 

The vaccines are the thing that will help everyone going forwards, flu jabs and covid jabs for older people a must and for others who are vulnerable - and as long as people vaccinated, going to sports events should be ok.  Personally, I think everyone of every age should get covid vaccinated as it definitely helps lessen the effects of the virus and may help slow it down too.

I have been as neurotically isolating myself as much as possible over the last year and a half, but recognise I have to get over that and move on and maybe accept that at some stage I, like millions of others, will get a watered down version of the virus, such that it doesn't cause any major problems.  Life has to go on and so does football.......

Yes, I think I agree with you too LDC.  Although I haven't been 'neurotically isolating' I have followed all the advice and been cautious unlike some elements of the population.  Think I'll still be wearing a mask in some situations (shops, public  transport, stadium concourses etc) even after the 19th July despite the fact I hate them and they steam my glasses up.  Can't understand why some people are  anti-vaccine as this seems the obvious best protection route.  From not having had any injections for years, (because I am now of a certain age), I feel like a pin cushion this year - two covid jabs, the flu jab and a pneumonia jab which apparently protects me against 23 strains of pneumonia!  Will go back to Carrow Road definitely if allowed but will still remain cautious.

[city4eva 230]

Looks like there will plenty of spare seats for the casuals

[Ken Hairy 4,198]

LDC, possibly your best post in a long while. 👍

[Blofield Canary 12]

Surprised nobody has mentioned that the Premier  League are pushing ahead with Vaccine Passports for all games. This will certainly stop some people attending. Much will depend on what they bring in for under 18s  Some others may not have been double jabbed by the start of the season.

[Capt. Pants 4,773]

20 hours ago, city4eva said:

Looks like there will plenty of spare seats for the casuals

Probably. Plus the average age will come down, which is not a bad thing. 

[Greavsy 2,584]

27 minutes ago, Blofield Canary said:

Surprised nobody has mentioned that the Premier  League are pushing ahead with Vaccine Passports for all games. This will certainly stop some people attending. Much will depend on what they bring in for under 18s  Some others may not have been double jabbed by the start of the season.

Do you have a recent link for that please? all i can find is from April at the latest. 

Thanks BC

Edited July 8, 2021 by Greavsy

[TopTory 4]

I will be there as usual but may skip the bar before hand for a few weeks.

[Upo 91]

Atleast wear a ffp2 mask with a fitter.  No point in participating in BJ's experiment without protection.

https://mobile.twitter.com/COVID19actuary/status/1413159287401156610

[Upo 91]

3 minutes ago, TopTory said:

It is not an 'experiment'... it is normality.

You lefties have had a good run... now it's time the grown ups took over.