Managerial Merry Go Round

[TheGoogler 595]

Just incredible what's going on at the minute. Having agreed to a 3 yr deal, Lucien Favre has decided to reject Palace. 

Spurs have interviewed Nuno Espirito Santo, leading Spurs fans to flood twitter with #NotoNuno.

Everton are said to be no closer to appointing a manager either.

The Athletic are reporting this morning than an established international player is currently waiting to sign for Tottenham - but Tottenham won't progress the deal until a manager is sorted.

I've never known so many clubs to struggle so massively to find their next manager.

 

[Krul Mistress 36]

I know Farke is seemingly more than happy here but I am surprised he hasn't been mentioned even once in relation to any of these vacancies. Not complaining, mind.

 

OTBC

[sgncfc 1,306]

There is a very limited pool of high quality managers at the moment - especially those without any "questionable" past. Very few young, progressive coaches, especially British ones - Graham Potter, Steve Cooper are the ones always mentioned but neither have achieved enough for a so called "big club" to come calling. Almost nothing coming out of Scotland - home to some of the highest achieving managers we've ever had in England.

A few others on the rise - Scott Parker, Steve Gerrard, Frank Lampard etc but many of the contenders have taken the easier route of television punditry. There is no ready path anymore from Leagues One and Two to the Champs and then the PL - everyone is looking for instant success.

Germany and Spain are producing the best regarded coaches and have done for the last 5-10 years. The PL has largely looked overseas recently and it will take us 10 years to start producing comparable candidates again.

Lots of out of work dinosaurs - Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew; some surviving dinosaurs who are on borrowed time - Bruce, Moyes etc who are always a few defeats away from the sack.

If I was Spurs or Everton I'd be looking at Dyche or Potter, but they probably still think they can do better.

[yellowrider120 886]

1 hour ago, sgncfc said:

There is a very limited pool of high quality managers at the moment - especially those without any "questionable" past. Very few young, progressive coaches, especially British ones - Graham Potter, Steve Cooper are the ones always mentioned but neither have achieved enough for a so called "big club" to come calling. Almost nothing coming out of Scotland - home to some of the highest achieving managers we've ever had in England.

A few others on the rise - Scott Parker, Steve Gerrard, Frank Lampard etc but many of the contenders have taken the easier route of television punditry. There is no ready path anymore from Leagues One and Two to the Champs and then the PL - everyone is looking for instant success.

Germany and Spain are producing the best regarded coaches and have done for the last 5-10 years. The PL has largely looked overseas recently and it will take us 10 years to start producing comparable candidates again.

Lots of out of work dinosaurs - Pulis, Allardyce, Pardew; some surviving dinosaurs who are on borrowed time - Bruce, Moyes etc who are always a few defeats away from the sack.

If I was Spurs or Everton I'd be looking at Dyche or Potter, but they probably still think they can do better.

For someone in this category, I'd suggest the dinosaur Moyes did an outstanding job last season. They finished 6th just two points off Champions League. Even the other dinosaur Bruce had a very impressive run towards the end of the season with Newcastle surviving comfortably having been written off as 'toxic', 'useless', 'lost the dressing room' etc. by some ridiculous so called 'celebrity' pundits earlier.   

[Crabbycanary3 994]

Where's Sam Allardyce when you need him?

[norfolkngood 1,171]

i will make it clear i do not want it to happen 

But Farke is Tailor made for Everton if i were their Board i would do everything possible to get Farke there 

bit of money  , he plays attractive football , young and fresh manager instead of Dinosaur tactics 

, he likes to play youth players and i am sure would build a good side 

i very much Doubt a top club will take a chance on Farke before he moves to the next step up the ladder 

But like i said i am glad they are looking at others 

[TIL 1010 5,122]

You would have thought with the PL being the best league in Europe applicants should have been tripping over each other for one of these jobs.

Even Eddie Howe the media darling seems to have fallen off the radar to get a job.

[Alex Moss 2,166]

13 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

You would have thought with the PL being the best league in Europe applicants should have been tripping over each other for one of these jobs.

Even Eddie Howe the media darling seems to have fallen off the radar to get a job.

That’s because, Tilly, Bournemouth fans round here tell me he’s going to take the England job which apparently is his as soon as he gives the nod 🤣

 

Edited June 25, 2021 by Alex Moss

[Danke bitte 1,144]

3 hours ago, norfolkngood said:

i will make it clear i do not want it to happen 

But Farke is Tailor made for Everton if i were their Board i would do everything possible to get Farke there 

bit of money  , he plays attractive football , young and fresh manager instead of Dinosaur tactics 

, he likes to play youth players and i am sure would build a good side 

i very much Doubt a top club will take a chance on Farke before he moves to the next step up the ladder 

But like i said i am glad they are looking at others 

I want to win the FA cup or the Carabao cup... hell I'd even settle for the Pizza cup before Farke moves on, then we can erect a statue of him outside Carra pointing towards the future of the trail he blazed..

(What bugs me still is the fact the scum have won more than us even if they're regressed behind the scenes the last decade, no matter which way we look at it.)

[crispeduk 282]

Agree with the OP, it is incredible the failure of some established clubs to find new bosses, with training restarting only a couple of weeks or so down the line – add that to the unease created at clubs fearful of having their men headhunted and a biggish chunk of the Prem will be unsettled at the start of the season. A decent opportunity for any of us organised ‘little clubs’ who have a good start (and yes I have seen the fixture list) as even a modest points tally could achieve a healthy position in the table before everyone gets up to pace.

[keelansgrandad 6,680]

I can never get to grips with club's attitude to managers/coaches.

So many of the managers who have had a string of clubs are likely to have negative outcomes of success. Yet other clubs bust a gut to sign them.

Controversially, Villa escaped the drop in their first season back in the Prem, stuck with Smith and got their reward. He had an unremarkable playing career and started at Walsall.

Now how many other clubs wish they had got him as their manager.

We could have easily got rid of DF but having clearly thrown him under the bus in our Prem season, we gave him another chance.

Paul Lambert only had success with us. Yet other clubs believed he was good because of that. How wrong they were.

 

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,234]

Farke won't be on the radar of any PL clubs at the moment as most owners are incredibly risk adverse given how devastating a relegation can be financially.

We all know how good he is, but even with his hands tied behind his back 2 seasons ago it is still generally agreed by outsiders that he was naive with his tactical approach and that his style of football is too open for the bottom half of the PL. Even the clubs who play better football outside of the top6/8 generally rely heavily on a high pressing, counter attacking game and Farke's possession based game won't be immediately successful and you run the risk of getting dragged into a relegation battle before he has time to get his ideas across. 

If Everton or a similar huge club for example were already relegated and wanted to do a rebuild in the Championship and change their philosophy then I have no doubt someone like Farke would be top or near top of their list, but currently he's still seen as too much of a risk. If he can keep us up this year though and maybe augment his style a bit to stop conceding soft goals and be more potent on the counter then I think we'll really struggle to hold onto him going into next season as he will be in high demand 

[chicken 3,004]

11 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

For someone in this category, I'd suggest the dinosaur Moyes did an outstanding job last season. They finished 6th just two points off Champions League. Even the other dinosaur Bruce had a very impressive run towards the end of the season with Newcastle surviving comfortably having been written off as 'toxic', 'useless', 'lost the dressing room' etc. by some ridiculous so called 'celebrity' pundits earlier.   

No mention of Howe either... still jobless yet a couple of seasons ago most of the sports media circuits were banging on about how great a young manager he was.

[sgncfc 1,306]

11 hours ago, yellowrider120 said:

For someone in this category, I'd suggest the dinosaur Moyes did an outstanding job last season. They finished 6th just two points off Champions League. Even the other dinosaur Bruce had a very impressive run towards the end of the season with Newcastle surviving comfortably having been written off as 'toxic', 'useless', 'lost the dressing room' etc. by some ridiculous so called 'celebrity' pundits earlier.   

But they are both dinosaurs in coaching terms and are always a few consecutive losses away from the sack wherever they go, which is the point I was making. They're not going to get the Spurs or Everton jobs are they? 

[wcorkcanary 4,609]

14 hours ago, Alex Moss said:

That’s because, Tilly, Bournemouth fans round here tell me he’s going to take the England job which apparently is his as soon as his mum gives the nod 🤣

 

Fixed that Alexo.👍😇😉

[Alex Moss 2,166]

4 hours ago, wcorkcanary said:

Fixed that Alexo.👍😇😉

Ha ha nice one M! I don’t mind Eddie Howe as a bloke, we’re talking about 20 years ago now plus but he was going out with a girl who was best friends with my then missus, he was playing for Bournemouth at the time. Nice chap, and doesn’t appear to have changed to be fair. However... Bournemouth fans are something else in the value of him as a manager. They honestly believe in their strange little world that he wouldn’t even answer the phone to Tottenham or Palace as the next stage for him after the mighty Bournemouth is the England job ha ha. Not so sure about that myself, but what you saw with him on tv was what you got for sure. 

[wcorkcanary 4,609]

Yah ,no real axe to grind with him. Do feel he's a bit too nice to  be real. A kinda Thunderbirds puppet , head boy, ken and barbie sort of thing, if you get my drift. Would rather have him than Southgate,in as much as I prefer magnolia to off white paint.

Lampard with Jody Morris advising Would be my choice of young English management. 

[TheGoogler 595]

3 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Lampard with Jody Morris advising Would be my choice of young English management. 

I'm not sure exactly what you class as "young", but I'd have Eddie Howe over Lampard right now. Not that I don't like Lampard - I think he should have stayed at Derby a few more seasons before taking on Chelsea job - but I think Howe is just that bit better. I'm surprised that Palace and Everton have not been fluttering their eyebrows at him tbh. 

[wcorkcanary 4,609]

2 minutes ago, TheGoogler said:

I'm not sure exactly what you class as "young", but I'd have Eddie Howe over Lampard right now. Not that I don't like Lampard - I think he should have stayed at Derby a few more seasons before taking on Chelsea job - but I think Howe is just that bit better. I'm surprised that Palace and Everton have not been fluttering their eyebrows at him tbh. 

Maybe they have? Wouldnt be against EH as such for the England job, just liked theLampard /Morris combo. At Chelsea, with a large and talented squad with options ( much as with England), I just thought theyre style of play was good  and often proactive with subs. The England environment would be very familiar to FL.

[PurpleCanary 6,212]

3 hours ago, wcorkcanary said:

Yah ,no real axe to grind with him. Do feel he's a bit too nice to  be real. A kinda Thunderbirds puppet , head boy, ken and barbie sort of thing, if you get my drift. Would rather have him than Southgate,in as much as I prefer magnolia to off white paint.

Lampard with Jody Morris advising Would be my choice of young English management. 

As someone who supports anyone but England I think that duo is a great idea. In fact I strongly suggest they get parachuted in to replace Southgate before the Germany game.🤓