Ben Kensell

[Mario Harpershite 20]

Notice periods rarely relate to length of service. More often linked to seniority and for someone of his seniority a month’s notice is VERY short. 
 

I’m drawing my own conclusions as to what that means. 

[PurpleCanary 5,558]

54 minutes ago, Kenny Foggo said:

Regardless of what anyone says, the loud minority will turn it into a master stroke.

I think it makes us weaker, as did losing our best player, scout and financial sponsorship.

Looking forward to some good news

If I were you I would be very wary of slagging off any supposed 'loud minority' of fans...

[chicken 2,624]

Just now, shefcanary said:

Ha, this is a club run by the Stowmarket socialists isn't it?  It will have been very generous.  He's had a nice pay off, everyone has agreed in a legal document to be very nice and Mr Bailey has been used as an "informal" mouthpiece so no-one else has to speak to the press!  I call bull.....

Wow. So now we've jumped from a discussion about notice periods to long notice periods being socialist and our owners being socialists... 

 

[essex canary 496]

Based on the official explanations why would a meeting that he was due to host tonight be cancelled?

How Open and Honest is the Club on such matters?

I think the quality of fan engagement at the Club has been well over hyped but rather than Ben departing in seemingly similar circumstances to Steve Stone, I really would like to see some continuity and teamwork to improve matters. Note Delia was only the.telling us how much better the Club Admin is only 6 weeks ago.

[shefcanary 2,407]

3 minutes ago, chicken said:

Wow. So now we've jumped from a discussion about notice periods to long notice periods being socialist and our owners being socialists... 

 

You missed the tongue in my cheek!  I fully support the club and what has happened, I just don't like the corporate PR.  And I didn't like the accusation from Gammons here that it is people who campaigned against BK8 that got him his departure.  He deserved it, had to go, and Smith & Jones have acted as they should (apart from the crap PR).

Edited June 16, 2021 by shefcanary

[chicken 2,624]

1 minute ago, Mario Harper****e said:

Notice periods rarely relate to length of service. More often linked to seniority and for someone of his seniority a month’s notice is VERY short. 
 

I’m drawing my own conclusions as to what that means. 

Really, in every line of work I have been in, it is linked to length of service.

Sounds very much like the old school deals with golden handshakes at the end which are very much history of the vast majority of jobs these days.

I doubt he'd get a 6 month notice period three days after starting the job. Or even a year. I can tell you now, those more senior to me who have been under the same employer for a decade more are still on the same notice period as me. 

[Bannana Boy 30]

The fact that there are still people disagreeing with the stated facts is a) no surprise and b) as clear an example of all that is wrong with discourse at the moment as you’re likely to find.

You have been given the facts by a reputable journalist with no motive to lie (and indeed a motive to ensure accuracy) but still some believe what they like. Either in outright contradiction to the facts, or by embellishing them to fit their own narrative.

[chicken 2,624]

2 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

You missed the tongue in my cheek!

Perhaps you had it in the wrong cheek? 😅

[chicken 2,624]

Just now, Bannana Boy said:

The fact that there are still people disagreeing with the stated facts is a) no surprise and b) as clear an example of all that is wrong with discourse at the moment as you’re likely to find.

You have been given the facts by a reputable journalist with no motive to lie (and indeed a motive to ensure accuracy) but still some believe what they like. Either in outright contradiction to the facts, or by embellishing them to fit their own narrative.

Spot on.

And then anyone who doesn't agree or dare criticise them is "woke" or a "vocal minority". True colours coming out in this thread that's for sure. 

[TIL 1010 4,746]

Will Ed Balls be asked to fill the void again i wonder. Not been on the tellybox lately so £90K for three months work again could come in handy.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

27 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

That is about as far and as wide a comment you could get. The guy was already leaving and the BK8 thing was cancelled, not because of scantilly clad women - as a line some people seem determined to keep pushing - but to apparent (alleged) connections to the hard core p0rn industry.  So it was not "woke" to be against it, a word which the same people use as an insult, but common sense.  It was a mistake. An error.  Some people need to "wake" up.

BK8 are a betting company. The allegations of hardcore pornography came from the woke activists. Shame on them. 

[PurpleCanary 5,558]

1 minute ago, Indy said:

Only asking the question, did they do the due diligence correctly? I’d be astonished if any major sponsorship deal isn’t signed off by the board! It’s too big a deal to be left for Kensell alone. 
I’m sure they knew the reputation linked with this company, possibly not all the fine details but funny how quick they were highlighted by normal people not involved in due diligence, so makes me think they took a chance for £5 million.

Indy, signed off by the board of course, but they have to assume due diligence has been done by the commercial staff. They are the professionals. As far as I know there was no nasty public 'reputation' associated with this company to be a warning to the directors. I doubt any of the directors had even heard of the company.

I agree as soon as fans did some digging the horror stories emerged but that only shows how lax the due diligence was at the level below the board.

[shefcanary 2,407]

2 minutes ago, chicken said:

Really, in every line of work I have been in, it is linked to length of service.

Sounds very much like the old school deals with golden handshakes at the end which are very much history of the vast majority of jobs these days.

I doubt he'd get a 6 month notice period three days after starting the job. Or even a year. I can tell you now, those more senior to me who have been under the same employer for a decade more are still on the same notice period as me. 

How out of touch are you?  Any senior executive taken on gets a minimum 6 months notice period if it is a permanent appointment (for tax reasons).  After three years service, that notice period doubles.  

[Christoph Stiepermann 1,135]

A lot of upheaval at the moment but all the important people will be focused entirely on recruitment right now. Targets would have been identified well in advance and the scouts/chief operating officer etc have nothing to do with the actual pursuing of targets. 

Saying that we really could do with an incoming to brighten up the mood right now

[lake district canary 4,531]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

BK8 are a betting company. The allegations of hardcore pornography came from the woke activists. Shame on them. 

No the allegations came from different sources - reputable media sources.

[Indy 3,300]

5 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Indy, signed off by the board of course, but they have to assume due diligence has been done by the commercial staff. They are the professionals. As far as I know there was no nasty public 'reputation' associated with this company to be a warning to the directors. I doubt any of the directors had even heard of the company.

I agree as soon as fans did some digging the horror stories emerged but that only shows how lax the due diligence was at the level below the board.

I can’t buy that the due diligence was that poor, surely if a 5 million deal was on the table the team would have carried out a full report on the pros and cons of this sponsor and as you highlight, just a little digging by the fans showed up some questions. I tend to lean on that there’s certainly some level of detail but the money looked pretty good too.

We shall never know, but can all take our guess based on our opinion Purple, you certainly could be right…..👍

PS as a side note if Kensell was already leaving then that could have been reported when this all came to light a few weeks ago, it smacks of a golden handshake, you take responsibility for this. I’m sure all parties will be happy.

Edited June 16, 2021 by Indy

[Mello Yello 2,293]

There's a spare seat now going on the Club board's chartered executive jet to Manchester when we play City away......That's if the covid restrictions are canned.....A lot can happen in a couple of months....

[KeiranShikari 1,410]

The fact he was already on his way out makes me think we absolutely knew about the booba. 'hey, this might go a bit wrong but if we get away with it we'll have a few extra million to spend on football, you know that stuff that is important to football fans'.

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

8 minutes ago, Bannana Boy said:

The fact that there are still people disagreeing with the stated facts is a) no surprise and b) as clear an example of all that is wrong with discourse at the moment as you’re likely to find.

You have been given the facts by a reputable journalist with no motive to lie (and indeed a motive to ensure accuracy) but still some believe what they like. Either in outright contradiction to the facts, or by embellishing them to fit their own narrative.

The media is full of woke activists with toxic agendas and people like Ben Kendall are cannon fodder. A good man taken down and many posters on here joined in the kill 

Edited June 16, 2021 by Rock The Boat

[chicken 2,624]

4 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

How out of touch are you?  Any senior executive taken on gets a minimum 6 months notice period if it is a permanent appointment (for tax reasons).  After three years service, that notice period doubles.  

That is still not the "vast majority" of people is it? As was claimed at the time. I have known executives not to get a 6month notice period. It very much depends upon the size of the company and the roll of the executive. I know someone given the position of a director, but was the only person in their department.

[Bannana Boy 30]

3 minutes ago, shefcanary said:

How out of touch are you?  Any senior executive taken on gets a minimum 6 months notice period if it is a permanent appointment (for tax reasons).  After three years service, that notice period doubles.  

I’m sorry what?

What “tax reasons” influence notice periods?A company is free to set its notice periods as it sees fit so long as they meet the statutory minimum (which iirc is a week during the first year of employment).

Now senior people, or those in highly skilled/hard to recruit for roles, may very well be given long notice periods but that is because of their value to the business (and to make the role more attractive - everyone loves a spot of gardening leave).

[Mello Yello 2,293]

5 minutes ago, TIL 1010 said:

Will Ed Balls be asked to fill the void again i wonder. Not been on the tellybox lately so £90K for three months work again could come in handy.

And there's now also a spare seat going on the board's chartered executive jet....Make room for Balls.....

[Bannana Boy 30]

2 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

The media is full of woke activists with toxic agendas and people like Ben Kendall are cannon fodder. A good man taken down and many posters on here joined in the kill 

Moron

[chicken 2,624]

7 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

BK8 are a betting company. The allegations of hardcore pornography came from the woke activists. Shame on them. 

Failed logic once more. Your argument relies upon the two being mutually exclusive - they're not. As proven. Nothing to do with being "woke" and everything to do with us being a family club and the club being about role models to those families they focus on interacting with.

Probably not best then, to have a betting company who are more than happy to engage in non family friendly imagery that is seen as degrading to a large number of the fan base. 

[shefcanary 2,407]

25 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

So you are saying that the club gives more info to Michael Bailey than it does Paddy Davitt, despite Bailey now writing behind a pay wall to an audience of perhaps a couple of thousand Norwich fans... and Davitt reaching the whole of Norfolk through the Archant website, EDP, Evening News and Pink'un?

And if so, why is it the Pink'un that got the video interview with Webber a few weeks ago?

Not buying that at all. 

Bailey was fed a line by the club because he relies totally on the club for his income.  Archant don't necessarily rely totally on the club for income.  Bailey is a tame reporter.  He will only report badly against the club if it was patently obvious they are in the wrong.  And I like Bailey as a journalist, but he is nice.

[Orly 277]

2 minutes ago, Bannana Boy said:

Moron

You might disagree with the first sentence, but you definitely can't with the second sentence, because I witnessed it with my own eyes.

[Michael Starr 519]

hmmm this is Steve Stone part 2.

[Mello Yello 2,293]

7 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

Indy, signed off by the board of course, but they have to assume due diligence has been done by the commercial staff. They are the professionals. As far as I know there was no nasty public 'reputation' associated with this company to be a warning to the directors. I doubt any of the directors had even heard of the company.

I agree as soon as fans did some digging the horror stories emerged but that only shows how lax the due diligence was at the level below the board.

Meh......"Oh we weren't aware of anything improper concerning the new multi-million sponsorship - all we do is leave it to the experts, we're just the majority shareholders".....

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

3 minutes ago, lake district canary said:

No the allegations came from different sources - reputable media sources.

There are no reputable media sources. They all have agendas. Dafabet had similar websites to BK8 but no one said anything and Kendall would naturally expect no issue to arise. 

Then it reached the attention of the supporters trust who have feminists and LGBT activists among their members and it all kicked off. They cost a good man his job

[Rock The Boat 1,332]

56 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

What key pieces of information is that then, because Archant call it a "surprise" and then Athletic claim he was due to leave in May. Only one of them can be right.

 

 

Bailey is as woke as they come, allegedly