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2 minutes ago, TheGunnShow said:

Then investing in greatly improved training facilities and focusing heavily on youth and the academy is a very logical start of such a project. Especially when starting from a parlous financial situation. Investing more in the stadium makes more sense if we become pretty established in the Premier League. If we're fortunate, that's a few years down the line.

Get ourselves established as a club that will give youngsters a proper chance to develop, be very well trained in excellent facilities with a coach who will readily trust them, and the club will get a reputation as a, if not the place to go for ambitious youngsters. In fact, if Buendia is sold, we just did that for South American talent in a market that will become increasingly important post-Brexit as let's face it, they're hardly short of promising youngsters around there!

I agree on a number of things you've said but i disagree on stadium expansion. There is never a good time, with player sales and a loan it could be done. Long term it would be there forever, the demographic of norwich fans is getting older the need for extra seats is important now to get younger people use to going. If norwich fell out of the EPL interest amongst younger people who dont go to games is not there.

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4 minutes ago, hogesar said:

He did as soon as he said Norwich will never achieve the successes of Ipswich in another thread.

Just stating facts. League winners and Uefa cup is not something norwich will ever win now unfortunately. 

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3 minutes ago, hogesar said:

He did as soon as he said Norwich will never achieve the successes of Ipswich in another thread.

I reckon he is very upset but less because of Emi but more the fact that our club has such an asset and that a big value will be realised after 3 years with us. Imagine being an Ipswich fan is not great atm when you see what their recruitment ambitions and ability for sales looks like.  The Binners will be looking on very upset. Hence a few threads and posts appearing that talk down the club. The fact that we can even entertain such big transfers just means that the huge gap between our two clubs becomes so glaring. So much so, it hurts their eyes.

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Just now, Ultralk26 said:

I agree on a number of things you've said but i disagree on stadium expansion. There is never a good time, with player sales and a loan it could be done. Long term it would be there forever, the demographic of norwich fans is getting older the need for extra seats is important now to get younger people use to going. If norwich fell out of the EPL interest amongst younger people who dont go to games is not there.

Not completely, as don't forget that whilst gate receipts are not completely inconsiderable income streams, it would be a lot of expenditure for only a relatively small improvement in income over time. Spurs are a much more extreme example, obviously I'm not saying we're going to lash out nine figures or more for a new ground, but they've financially handicapped themselves to the point where they might have to sell Kane to reinforce other parts of the squad.

Facilities and youth on the other hand, you could readily argue they paid for themselves quickly when we took the fans bond for redoing the Nest and then Maddison, Godfrey and Lewis all got sold, not to mention became far more attractive for young talent (hence the likes of Riley, Coker and apparently Downes coming).

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3 minutes ago, Ultralk26 said:

Just stating facts. League winners and Uefa cup is not something norwich will ever win now unfortunately. 

Nor any team outside of the top 6 since about 1993. Leicester an isolated example. Not really an argument that is pertinent here.

The PL is markedly different to the top division in an era 30/40 years ago.

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Just now, TheGunnShow said:

Not completely, as don't forget that whilst gate receipts are not completely inconsiderable income streams, it would be a lot of expenditure for only a relatively small improvement in income over time. Spurs are a much more extreme example, obviously I'm not saying we're going to lash out nine figures or more for a new ground, but they've financially handicapped themselves to the point where they might have to sell Kane to reinforce other parts of the squad.

Facilities and youth on the other hand, you could readily argue they paid for themselves quickly when we took the fans bond for redoing the Nest and then Maddison, Godfrey and Lewis all got sold, not to mention became far more attractive for young talent (hence the likes of Riley, Coker and apparently Downes coming).

That's true, financially is it worth adding a tier to the city stand? short term obviously not. Long term plus image of the club to players and non supporters its worth it. Demand in tickets is to high for the amount of seats, which drives prices higher. From a fans perspective more seats would be nice. Youth is more profitable then infrastructure in the short to medium term but whilst norwich are doing it other clubs are getting bigger Wolves/West ham by getting more supporters committed and loyal by attendance.  

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6 minutes ago, sonyc said:

Nor any team outside of the top 6 since about 1993. Leicester an isolated example. Not really an argument that is pertinent here.

The PL is markedly different to the top division in an era 30/40 years ago.

True.

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1 minute ago, Ultralk26 said:

That's true, financially is it worth adding a tier to the city stand? short term obviously not. Long term plus image of the club to players and non supporters its worth it. Demand in tickets is to high for the amount of seats, which drives prices higher. From a fans perspective more seats would be nice. Youth is more profitable then infrastructure in the short to medium term but whilst norwich are doing it other clubs are getting bigger Wolves/West ham by getting more supporters committed and loyal by attendance.  

Infrastructure also includes training / preparation facilities, not just the stadium though. Don't forget that.

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Just worth pointing out we were relegated with Buendia in our team last time.

 

We aren't good enough to stay up with only one excellent player, if we reinvest and spend 30 million on 3/4 players that keep us up then it might just be worth it... just.

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Just now, TheGunnShow said:

Infrastructure also includes training / preparation facilities, not just the stadium though. Don't forget that.

This is true but how attractive is living in Norfolk to young people? most young players would rather live in big cities pairs/london etc training ground wouldn't convince me to join a club.

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1 minute ago, birchfest said:

Just worth pointing out we were relegated with Buendia in our team last time.

 

We aren't good enough to stay up with only one excellent player, if we reinvest and spend 30 million on 3/4 players that keep us up then it might just be worth it... just.

maybe but Buendia wasnt mentally ready for the last time.

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Just now, Ultralk26 said:

This is true but how attractive is living in Norfolk to young people? most young players would rather live in big cities pairs/london etc training ground wouldn't convince me to join a club.

Or being in a big city may be too distracting? Easier to focus on development in a smaller place like Norwich, and let's face it, it's hardly too far away from London if they want the lights.

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56 minutes ago, Bethnal Yellow and Green said:

Got nothing to do with Delia - Webber is Sporting Director and makes all the sporting decisions. He's already explained the rationale for why a 'more in demand player' might be sold.  

Doesn’t help that the owners don’t put anything into the club though

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1 minute ago, barclayboy1902 said:

Is there any realistic possibility selling emi and using the cash could make the team stronger,?

'using the cash'

 

I mean, I know it sounds depressing but we won't be spending more than 10 million on a single player regardless of Emi leaving us for a record fee

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6 minutes ago, birchfest said:

Just worth pointing out we were relegated with Buendia in our team last time.

 

We aren't good enough to stay up with only one excellent player, if we reinvest and spend 30 million on 3/4 players that keep us up then it might just be worth it... just.

Yep. Life always move on and footballers come and they go. We have had 2 excellent years in particular that have stood out watching  his genius. There's a great value in that. Like having Hoolahan, Holt, Maddison etc etc. We have been blessed as a club to watch such talent.

They move on and as you say we will re-invest. Perhaps we may become more balanced as a team who knows?

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1 minute ago, TheGunnShow said:

Or being in a big city may be too distracting? Easier to focus on development in a smaller place like Norwich, and let's face it, it's hardly too far away from London if they want the lights.

Suppose we will see where norwich are in 5 years and that will decide if we made the most of these years in the EPL.

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1 minute ago, barclayboy1902 said:

Is there any realistic possibility selling emi and using the cash could make the team stronger,?

If we spend the money NOW on players who can deliver NOW. Just for one season please, just forget this fcuking project and have a go at not getting relegated. 

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We have always sold players considered irreplaceable such as Ron Davies, Kevin Reeves and Chris Sutton amongst others. Of course, lifr went on and new players became fan favourites. 
our management model is self-sustainability. This requires selling our best players cor massive fees to finance the acquisition of new players and promising youngsters for development. Did the sale of Gordon and Lewis to be replaced by Gibson and Giannoulis weaken us? Not IMO and Emi will be replaced as well. When he moves on I say thank him for his three seasons with us, the pleasure we have had of watching such a gifted player wear the Y&G and to wish him well for the rest of his career.

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1 minute ago, Capt. Pants said:

If we spend the money NOW on players who can deliver NOW. Just for one season please, just forget this fcuking project and have a go at not getting relegated. 

who though? on low to average wages by premier league standards. Buendia needed time when he signed.

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1 minute ago, Crafty Canary said:

We have always sold players considered irreplaceable such as Ron Davies, Kevin Reeves and Chris Sutton amongst others. Of course, lifr went on and new players became fan favourites. 
our management model is self-sustainability. This requires selling our best players cor massive fees to finance the acquisition of new players and promising youngsters for development. Did the sale of Gordon and Lewis to be replaced by Gibson and Giannoulis weaken us? Not IMO and Emi will be replaced as well. When he moves on I say thank him for his three seasons with us, the pleasure we have had of watching such a gifted player wear the Y&G and to wish him well for the rest of his career.

Are you happy with that though? in another 20 years and we are still Champ/Bottom 3 EPL (or worse) would you look back in hindsight and say we should've took more risks? 

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29 minutes ago, barclayboy1902 said:

Is there any realistic possibility selling emi and using the cash could make the team stronger,?

Of course, but it’s a possibility that relies on a lot of good fortune. It also may make us stronger but not necessarily this year which is the kicker.

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