England Squad

[Move Klose 303]

Trent & Greenwood rumoured to be out.

Who else?

 

James Ward-Prowse is in.

I think maybe 1 of Godfrey/White will be in now. Doubts over how fit Maguire will be for the earlier games.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

'James Ward-Prowse is in'

 

As he should be, not just for being a good enough player but for being a midfielder who's one of if not the best free kick and Corner kick specialists England have, man got more curve than Beckham and that's only ever so slightly an exaggeration.

would not be too surprised to see him get a big money move to a top six club soon.

Edited May 31, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[Move Klose 303]

43 minutes ago, Move Klose said:

Trent & Greenwood rumoured to be out.

Who else?

 

James Ward-Prowse is in.

I think maybe 1 of Godfrey/White will be in now. Doubts over how fit Maguire will be for the earlier games.

Ramsdale, Trent, Watkins, Greenwood, Saka, White or Godfrey.

[Move Klose 303]

3 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

'James Ward-Prowse is in'

 

As he should be, not just for being a good enough player but for being a midfielder who's one of if not the best free kick and Corner kick specialists England have, man got more curve than Beckham and that's only ever so slightly an exaggeration.

would not be too surprised to see him get a big money move to a top six club soon.

Scrap that, looks like he's missing out.

[Move Klose 303]

[GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 2,035]

Ward Prowse just isnt international standard, cant pick someone just because he can take a free kick

Saka's versatilty has possibly counted against him...can play in a number of positions but theres better in each one.

Scares me what would happen if Maguire or Stones were unavailable, Mings is dreadful and Coady isnt a back 4 central defender....wonder how far away Gomez was?

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

44 minutes ago, Move Klose said:

Can’t argue too much if it’s those 7 that drop out - though it’s a shame we aren’t taking TAA. I suppose looking at the form of the season he just falls a bit short of the other 3, but he does offer something very different.

[AJ 1,358]

57 minutes ago, Move Klose said:

This seems to be the most likely case assuming those with injuries are all fit enough to play/last the tournament. I like Watkins but he's not got much experience, same with Saka. TAA isn't in the best of form and James just won the champions league 

[Move Klose 303]

Supposedly this is the squad:

Pickford Henderson Johnstone
Walker Trippier James Chilwell Shaw Coady Maguire Stones Mings
Henderson Rice Phillips Mount Bellingham Foden Grealish Saka Sancho Sterling Rashford Watkins Calvert-Lewin Kane

[canarydan23 4,758]

Typical England manager. If you're going on recent form, Sterling does not go ahead of Lingaard by any stretch of the imagination. But, as ever, he picks the name.

Edited June 1, 2021 by canarydan23

[king canary 8,749]

8 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Typical England manager. If you're going on recent form, Sterling does not go ahead of Lingaard by any stretch of the imagination. But, as ever, he picks the name.

Sterling is still an excellent player and his down season has still seen him hit double figures for goals. I'd take him over Lingaard who has had a good 3 months or so.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614]

12 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

Typical England manager. If you're going on recent form, Sterling does not go ahead of Lingaard by any stretch of the imagination. But, as ever, he picks the name.

I really don't get the criticism of Sterling. He still has 10 goals and eight assists this season which is very good, and he is one of the most experienced players available with 14 goals in 61 caps and he's still only 26. Maybe his season was only poor by his own high standards, as he was arguably one of the best forwards in world football a couple of years ago.

Sterling's place really shouldn't be in question, for me.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man

[Branston Pickle 4,145]

Have to say there’s big concerns over Rashford and Sterling given their recent Euro club final performances, neither looked on good form and more like they need a break rather than an international tournament 

[canarydan23 4,758]

27 minutes ago, king canary said:

Sterling is still an excellent player and his down season has still seen him hit double figures for goals. I'd take him over Lingaard who has had a good 3 months or so.

I agree he is an excellent player. If I could choose either to be in the Norwich squad out of Sterling and Lingard, I'd go for the former. 

But the Euros are played over four weeks in June and July, and I would categorically elect Lingard for that. He's just had an absolutely belting few months. Since February he has scored 9 and assisted 5. Sterling in the same timeframe? 4 goals and 3 assists. And 3 of those goals and 2 of those assists happened in February. He's also coming off the back of a, let's be frank, catastrophic Champions League final. Playing that abjectly in arguably the biggest club match of your career to date isn't a great springboard for a major championship.

I'm a big advocate of picking form players, and although Lingard's undoubtedly dipped in the final few games of the season, Sterling's dipped weeks earlier and have shown no sign of picking up in the next 12 days.

It's a congested position for England at the moment. He's a very, very lucky boy to be getting a place and Lingard has every right to feel aggrieved.

I appreciate Sterling has earned the reputation that has got him a place, but my god he's having to dine out on it to justify his place in the squad given his recent performances.

Edited June 1, 2021 by canarydan23

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

21 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

I agree he is an excellent player. If I could choose either to be in the Norwich squad out of Sterling and Lingard, I'd go for the former. 

But the Euros are played over four weeks in June and July, and I would categorically elect Lingard for that. He's just had an absolutely belting few months. Since February he has scored 9 and assisted 5. Sterling in the same timeframe? 4 goals and 3 assists. And 3 of those goals and 2 of those assists happened in February. He's also coming off the back of a, let's be frank, catastrophic Champions League final. Playing that abjectly in arguably the biggest club match of your career to date isn't a great springboard for a major championship.

I'm a big advocate of picking form players, and although Lingard's undoubtedly dipped in the final few games of the season, Sterling's dipped weeks earlier and have shown no sign of picking up in the next 12 days.

It's a congested position for England at the moment. He's a very, very lucky boy to be getting a place and Lingard has every right to feel aggrieved.

I appreciate Sterling has earned the reputation that has got him a place, but my god he's having to dine out on it to justify his place in the squad given his recent performances.

I think one of the main differences in that while Southgate knows and trusts Sterling well Lingard is a bit of an oddity. Yes, he's had a fantastic season at West Ham (some would argue the best of his career) is it red hot form and is being looked at seriously unlike the last few years where he became somewhat a Phil Jones kind of joke/meme player but we all know that Southgate is well known for prefering to play players he knows well (aka 'playing favorites') to players who are inform

Edited June 1, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614]

15 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

I'm a big advocate of picking form players, and although Lingard's undoubtedly dipped in the final few games of the season, Sterling's dipped weeks earlier and have shown no sign of picking up in the next 12 days.

Lingard scored nine and assisted five in his 16 Premier League games for West Ham, and Sterling wasn't that far behind with six goals and four assists in his final 16 league matches. Also, more recently, Lingard made just one assist with no goals in his final six whereas Sterling managed a goal and two assists.

I will admit that Lingard has outperformed Sterling in 2021, but the difference isn't that big and Sterling is a superior player when all is said and done so he should be in the squad ahead of Lingard.

[canarydan23 4,758]

2 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

Lingard scored nine and assisted five in his 16 Premier League games for West Ham, and Sterling wasn't that far behind with six goals and four assists in his final 16 league matches. Also, more recently, Lingard made just one assist with no goals in his final six whereas Sterling managed a goal and two assists.

I will admit that Lingard has outperformed Sterling in 2021, but the difference isn't that big and Sterling is a superior player when all is said and done so he should be in the squad ahead of Lingard.

The difference in stats, whilst it exists, isn't that big, but have you watched either of them in recent months? You have to caveat the fact that Sterling is playing in a team that has scored 46 goals since Lingard signed for West Ham, that rarely plays with a striker and therefore reliant on attacking midfielders as the primary source of goals. West Ham have scored 31 in Lingard's matches, 45% of which Lingard either scored or set up.

He's been a revelation and significantly better than Sterling in the past few months, hence why I think Southgate is making a mistake. Look, form is temporary, class is permanent and going forwards I think Sterling should (and will) be a more worthy fit in future England squads. But for Euro 2020 (as they insist on continuing to call it) I think Lingard is a better bet and a stronger, braver and better manager would have dropped the big name.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614]

1 minute ago, canarydan23 said:

The difference in stats, whilst it exists, isn't that big, but have you watched either of them in recent months? You have to caveat the fact that Sterling is playing in a team that has scored 46 goals since Lingard signed for West Ham, that rarely plays with a striker and therefore reliant on attacking midfielders as the primary source of goals. West Ham have scored 31 in Lingard's matches, 45% of which Lingard either scored or set up.

He's been a revelation and significantly better than Sterling in the past few months, hence why I think Southgate is making a mistake. Look, form is temporary, class is permanent and going forwards I think Sterling should (and will) be a more worthy fit in future England squads. But for Euro 2020 (as they insist on continuing to call it) I think Lingard is a better bet and a stronger, braver and better manager would have dropped the big name.

I've watched bits and pieces of both, and like I said, I'll admit that Lingard has outperformed Sterling this calendar year.

I guess it comes down to whether you prefer to pick players based on form or general ability. For example, Patrick Bamford is the second highest English scorer this season after Harry Kane, but I still wouldn't have chosen him ahead of any other striker in the provisional squad (and others).

A braver manager may have picked Lingard over Sterling but I think most 'better managers' would have gone with Sterling.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

11 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I've watched bits and pieces of both, and like I said, I'll admit that Lingard has outperformed Sterling this calendar year.

I guess it comes down to whether you prefer to pick players based on form or general ability. For example, Patrick Bamford is the second highest English scorer this season after Harry Kane, but I still wouldn't have chosen him ahead of any other striker in the provisional squad (and others).

A braver manager may have picked Lingard over Sterling but I think most 'better managers' would have gone with Sterling.

Another issue of course is where you play Lingard? I mean, sure he can play on the wing but he's more likely to want to play at number 10. And if he feels he's best to play at 10 (As Sterling will want to be on the wing), he's got Foden, maddison, mount, Ali, Barkley and even Grealish for competition at that spot..

Edited June 1, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[dylanisabaddog 6,131]

Extraordinary. Four right backs! 

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614]

I understand that it was hard to leave any of the right backs out, but picking four right backs with only four central midfielders and four centre backs (one of whom is presently injured) in the squad seems a little odd and lop-sided. Hopefully there's enough cover in the rest of the squad to justify picking all four right backs.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,797]

9 minutes ago, dylanisabaddog said:

Extraordinary. Four right backs! 

Four right backs, four defensive midfielders, Mings over Godfrey and Phillips over Ward-Prowse.. Now if I could speak to Southgate would have just one thing to ask

 

 

 

Edited June 1, 2021 by cambridgeshire canary

[sgncfc 1,330]

Interesting that absolutely none of the supposed "this is definitely the squad" posters got it right - big surprise.

As to the squad, if you didn't take injured players there wouldn't be many going!

I'd have had Ings in personally as Kane's back up - if he gets injured we are completely screwed.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614]

The squad overall isn't bad, and I'd have taken 23 of the 26.

Choosing a right back to miss out is incredibly tough; Alexander-Arnold is probably the best one, Walker is an experienced head who is a regular for the English champions, Trippier is an experienced head who is a regular for the Spanish champions and James was fantastic in the Champions League final. 

For me, I'd have left out James, Coady and Saka with Tomori, Ward-Prowse and Ings going instead.

[canarydan23 4,758]

29 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

The squad overall isn't bad, and I'd have taken 23 of the 26.

Choosing a right back to miss out is incredibly tough; Alexander-Arnold is probably the best one, Walker is an experienced head who is a regular for the English champions, Trippier is an experienced head who is a regular for the Spanish champions and James was fantastic in the Champions League final. 

For me, I'd have left out James, Coady and Saka with Tomori, Ward-Prowse and Ings going instead.

James? Really?! I suspect he'll be in the 11 never mind the 26. I thought you'd agree given that he had Sterling firmly in his pocket all game on Saturday.

Southgate scared of upsetting big names again. I'd love to be wrong but I don't see us going deep with him in charge. Too dull, too boring, too defensive, too limited. Good with the media, but that doesn't win you trophies. 

[Capt. Pants 5,003]

Can't argue with our fullbacks they are good, but we're **** poor in central defence. Not expecting much more than round of 16.

[Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 4,614]

12 minutes ago, canarydan23 said:

James? Really?! I suspect he'll be in the 11 never mind the 26. I thought you'd agree given that he had Sterling firmly in his pocket all game on Saturday.

Southgate scared of upsetting big names again. I'd love to be wrong but I don't see us going deep with him in charge. Too dull, too boring, too defensive, too limited. Good with the media, but that doesn't win you trophies. 

I knew someone would say that. But:

If you leave out TAA: "He's the best we've got!"

If you leave out Walker: "He's got loads of experience and he's the regular for the English champions!"

If you leave out Trippier: "He's a regular for the Spanish champions with one of the meanest defences in Europe!"

If you leave out James: "He was fantastic in the Champions League final!"

You simply cannot win, unless you take all four, which seems like overkill.

Also, out of those four and Wan-Bissaka, you could makes a case every weekend for one or two them that their performance makes then impossible to leave out. This is James' week because his performance was brilliant on Saturday, and I think the recency effect may be influencing some.

[AJ 1,358]

Only surprise for me is Trent and Phillips in. Surprised Ward-Prowse didn't get left in for his set piece taking ability, and surprised someone like Watkins didn't make it in as a third choice striker in case Kane or Dom get injured

[Fiery Zac 1,066]

2 hours ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said:

I knew someone would say that. But:

If you leave out TAA: "He's the best we've got!"

If you leave out Walker: "He's got loads of experience and he's the regular for the English champions!"

If you leave out Trippier: "He's a regular for the Spanish champions with one of the meanest defences in Europe!"

If you leave out James: "He was fantastic in the Champions League final!"

You simply cannot win, unless you take all four, which seems like overkill.

Also, out of those four and Wan-Bissaka, you could makes a case every weekend for one or two them that their performance makes then impossible to leave out. This is James' week because his performance was brilliant on Saturday, and I think the recency effect may be influencing some.

No recency effect with James, he’s had a great season and the stats (if you believe in looking at them) show he’s been clearly more effective than Walker. Walkers also not as regular for the champions as some people think.

Edited June 1, 2021 by Fiery Zac

[king canary 8,749]

Walker is in because Southgate likes the option of him in a back three as one of the central defenders- I'm assuming this is also why so right back heavy as Walker may well be playing more as a central defender. 

The right back question is tough but I do slightly wonder if Southgate has fudged this a bit in fear of backlash- you can make a case for James, Trippier or TAA very easily.