Van wink 2,994 Posted May 8, 2021 Now looking like SNP will have a majority, Indy 2 here we come Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted May 8, 2021 How much deposit do you have to put down for local elections? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BigFish 1,986 Posted May 8, 2021 As the hyperbole subsides it seems that the projected national vote was 36-29 to the Tories and broadly in line with the average of the opinion polls. While this is clearly not a good night and there is little sign of a Labour recovery this result is 4% better for them than in 2017. Let that sink in Johnson did worse than Theresa May. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,349 Posted May 8, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Van wink said: Now looking like SNP will have a majority, Indy 2 here we come Not happening by the look of it. https://news.sky.com/story/conservatives-and-snp-agree-on-one-thing-indyref2-wont-happen-any-time-soon-12300228 Edited May 8, 2021 by ricardo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,349 Posted May 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, BigFish said: As the hyperbole subsides it seems that the projected national vote was 36-29 to the Tories and broadly in line with the average of the opinion polls. While this is clearly not a good night and there is little sign of a Labour recovery this result is 4% better for them than in 2017. Let that sink in Johnson did worse than Theresa May. 11 years into a Tory government the opposition should be miles clear by now. In council seats the Tories now have more than Labour and Lib Dem combined and are adding more. The only analysis I can offer is that all the incumbents are getting a national Covid bounce. Makes little sense otherwise. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Carrow 376 Posted May 8, 2021 Woke mentioned several times here, but keep on believing it's a phantom issue made up by the Right.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/08/labours-khalid-mahmood-says-party-has-become-london-centric?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR1FEpYso_iALSiBcKO8V75XWVjtAIle_haX-uVOIYny3hQZFq2Q8biocUg Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Van wink 2,994 Posted May 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, ricardo said: Not happening by the look of it. https://news.sky.com/story/conservatives-and-snp-agree-on-one-thing-indyref2-wont-happen-any-time-soon-12300228 BBC now predicting SNP will not have a majority. Of course Greens in Scotland support independence but seems to me that the case is less compelling, at least in the short term, without an SNP majority Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted May 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Van wink said: BBC now predicting SNP will not have a majority. Of course Greens in Scotland support independence but seems to me that the case is less compelling, at least in the short term, without an SNP majority I think the appetite for Independence is waning. But the Scottish voters do not want a bar of Boris. He may be bullish about a referendum but its clear he only has England. Whether he tries to bribe them is unlikely with so much Government spending during the pandemic. The SNP is really only Labour supporters with a handful of strays who pretend they might be better off alone. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,326 Posted May 8, 2021 8 hours ago, BigFish said: As the hyperbole subsides it seems that the projected national vote was 36-29 to the Tories and broadly in line with the average of the opinion polls. While this is clearly not a good night and there is little sign of a Labour recovery this result is 4% better for them than in 2017. Let that sink in Johnson did worse than Theresa May. Sorry, I must have missed Thursday's General Election Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
horsefly 4,287 Posted May 9, 2021 15 hours ago, Mr.Carrow said: Woke mentioned several times here, but keep on believing it's a phantom issue made up by the Right.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/08/labours-khalid-mahmood-says-party-has-become-london-centric?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR1FEpYso_iALSiBcKO8V75XWVjtAIle_haX-uVOIYny3hQZFq2Q8biocUg The problem remains that "Woke" is not an "issue". It is a general term that was once simply defined as follows: woke ADJECTIVE US informal alert to injustice in society, especially racism. Interestingly, the Sun newspaper published a quite reasonable account of its historical usage and the present day practice of some people using it as a pejorative term to bundle together a diverse slew of issues under one "convenient" banner https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/10760207/woke-meaning-definition/. Sadly, the pejorative use of this term renders impossible the discussion of distinct phenomena that require serious consideration in their own right. It is perfectly possible to think that there are real problems with institutional racism in this country, and also reject the restriction on free speech advocated by some "no-platforming" groups. In any sensible, grown-up debate it should be possible to discuss these issues separately, however, what we find is that they all get lumped under the label "woke" and serious debate gets cancelled by the very people who like to throw about "cancel culture" in the same way they throw about "woke". It is a great irony that those people describing the dear old National Trust as "woke" for including more historical information about the connections of their properties to the slave trade are actually guilty of trying to "cancel" the NT's attempt to provide more historical fact. So, instead of throwing about "woke" as if it genuinely has a distinct valuable meaning beyond pejorative slander, why not discuss each of the issues it lazily lumps together as separate concerns that deserve serious consideration. Then we might begin to see differences and connections between the various phenomena for what they are and make some actual progress in understanding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,717 Posted May 9, 2021 18 hours ago, Mr.Carrow said: Woke mentioned several times here, but keep on believing it's a phantom issue made up by the Right.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/08/labours-khalid-mahmood-says-party-has-become-london-centric?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR1FEpYso_iALSiBcKO8V75XWVjtAIle_haX-uVOIYny3hQZFq2Q8biocUg Hmmm, now working for a right-wing think tank?! https://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-9558157/ANNA-MIKHAILOVA-Khalid-Mahmood-REALLY-quit-Labours-bench.html Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr.Carrow 376 Posted May 9, 2021 I'm just imagining the response had I posted Sun and Mail articles in support of my claims. Yet again Horsefly, I think you have a fair point about the Woke term. However terms such as "institutional racism" work in much the same way, encompassing many different concepts the meaning of which changes depending on the ideological bias of the person using the term. The main difference is that people who choose to use the Woke term as shorthand for various forms of identity politics authoritarianism don't call others racist bigots if they object to it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jools 584 Posted May 9, 2021 On 08/05/2021 at 16:12, Mr.Carrow said: Woke mentioned several times here, but keep on believing it's a phantom issue made up by the Right.... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/08/labours-khalid-mahmood-says-party-has-become-london-centric?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&fbclid=IwAR1FEpYso_iALSiBcKO8V75XWVjtAIle_haX-uVOIYny3hQZFq2Q8biocUg Firstly, I'm pretty certain Mahmood meant to say 'Social Justice Warriors' rather than 'Social Media Warriors'... Secondly, 'Woke' is a term that refers to awareness of issues that concern social justice, hence, 'Social Justice Warriors'.. So obviously no, it isn't imaginary 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
