Graham Paddons Beard 2,430 Posted March 11, 2021 17 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Gambling additions ruin lives. Sorry but that doesn’t add up? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HazzaJet 252 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) Just like alcohol, I would like to see gambling and fast food sponsorship banned - am shocked all 3 topics are permitted for advertisement, as I think none should be allowed due to the problems they can cause Edited March 11, 2021 by HazzaJet 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewNestCarrow 190 Posted March 11, 2021 17 hours ago, cambridgeshire canary said: Gambling additions ruin lives. Addiction to many things ruins lives, including some which are already illegal. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NewNestCarrow 190 Posted March 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, HazzaJet said: Just like alcohol, I would like to see gambling and fast food sponsorship banned - am shocked all 3 topics are permitted for advertisement, as I think none should be allowed due to the problems they can cause Alcohol sponsorship of football (or on shirts) is not banned. There is a voluntary code but there is no actual ban. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
All the Germans 1,075 Posted March 11, 2021 Haven't we got something (anything?) more important to focus on? Don't go half arsed, either make gambling illegal and therefore ban sponsorships or leave it as perfectly legal activity and drop the faux outrage to it. It's either wrong, or it's right, it can't be both. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,657 Posted March 11, 2021 I have no problem with betting companies on shirts other than their logo's are typically completely unsuited to football shirts and look tacky! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxy2600 301 Posted March 11, 2021 Coleman's, Lotus, Aviva. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, Foxy2600 said: Coleman's, Lotus, Aviva. Foxy - are you sponsored by a Bingo company of the same name? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxy2600 301 Posted March 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, Greavsy said: Foxy - are you sponsored by a Bingo company of the same name? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 good work. respect for that! You could be the sleeve or short sponsor! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxy2600 301 Posted March 11, 2021 It's a bit WHU or Villlaaaarrrrggghhhh colours. Anyways as you can tell a slack day at the office - 🙃 🦊 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, All the Germans said: Don't go half arsed, either make gambling illegal and therefore ban sponsorships or leave it as perfectly legal activity and drop the faux outrage to it. It's either wrong, or it's right, it can't be both. Completely disagree with this sentiment. My primary concern is the constant bombardment of gambling ads on young supporters, mainly children, it all over the social media of clubs, in every photo of their favourite players in the media. It completely normalises the idea of people throwing their money on bets every weekend before tuning into football; this is the world that teenagers today are growing up in. It isn't a legal activity for children is it. Just to turn the tables on you, I'd be interested to know where you draw the line, would you be happy if PornHub.com was our sponsor? Presumably not? But that doesn't mean that you think PornHub.com should be banned as a website. Percentage of people that think PornHub.com should be deleted from the internet is probably quite small, percentage of people that would object to it on the front of their teams shirt probably very high, that's your moral argument out of the window. Completely unnecessary to make gambling illegal in order to limit where gambling companies can place their logos. Edited March 11, 2021 by TeemuVanBasten 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 The problem with banning it - like all things - it will just make it go underground. At least being in the open it can be regulated etc. People will always find a way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 11, 2021 If alcohol was invented today, it would probably be deemed illegal after lengthy studies on its effects. Yet we have plenty of sponsorship deals and advertising. Morally, we can number any amount of sponsors that could be questioned. I don't really think we need sponsorship. It hasn't helped bring down the cost. So it ultimately has gone on player's wages and agent's fees. If it wasn't there, they couldn't grab it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, keelansgrandad said: If alcohol was invented today, it would probably be deemed illegal after lengthy studies on its effects. Yet we have plenty of sponsorship deals and advertising. Morally, we can number any amount of sponsors that could be questioned. I don't really think we need sponsorship. It hasn't helped bring down the cost. So it ultimately has gone on player's wages and agent's fees. If it wasn't there, they couldn't grab it. Agreed - but if they took it away, we all know who would be expected to plug the gap KG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, Greavsy said: Agreed - but if they took it away, we all know who would be expected to plug the gap KG I don't know how much the club gets each season from sponsorship compared to the likes of Manure. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TeemuVanBasten 3,327 Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, NewNestCarrow said: When the South Stand was first roofed - 1959 - it was paid for by gambling proceeds. Between 1957 & 1965 Norwich City received - as gifts - £100,000 from the proceeds of gambling. Everton's success in the 1960s coincided with the appointment of John Moores, who had made his fortune from the proceeds of gambling. The League Cup was sponsored by a betting company from 1987-1990. Good, so football had a perfectly balanced and productive relationship with the gambling industry long before they started putting their logos on replica shirts, which means we can safely go back to pre-2002 can't we. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, keelansgrandad said: I don't know how much the club gets each season from sponsorship compared to the likes of Manure. Same here - but I know every times a new one is announced its always 'the biggest deal this club has ever had' spiel........ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Foxy2600 301 Posted March 11, 2021 I predict "Just Eat" will be non-gambling sponsors next season..... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Foxy2600 said: I predict "Just Eat" will be non-gambling sponsors next season..... Why did you have to bring up my motor insurance again😠 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 im sure they have other customers / products too KG Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lewisham Yellow 0 Posted March 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: I don't know how much the club gets each season from sponsorship compared to the likes of Manure. From last season (unsure how accurate, have seen different figures: https://www.statista.com/statistics/254513/value-of-jersey-kit-sponsorships-in-the-barclays-premier-league-by-club/) Remember hearing somewhere that Aviva in the final year where we were sponsored by the Community Fund they were paying virtually nothing for shirt sponsorship. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, Lewisham Yellow said: From last season (unsure how accurate, have seen different figures: https://www.statista.com/statistics/254513/value-of-jersey-kit-sponsorships-in-the-barclays-premier-league-by-club/) Remember hearing somewhere that Aviva in the final year where we were sponsored by the Community Fund they were paying virtually nothing for shirt sponsorship. I believe that to be the case - but no other (suitable) offers had been received is my understanding. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mutley 74 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) I had often wondered how much money is raised by shirt sponsorship, thanks for sharing. We really didn't get a v good deal from our current sponsors when you look at other deals that lower end clubs have in the Premier League. I suppose if we were an established lower end Premier club we could double our current deal - e.g. Burnley, Watford (as then). I would rather not have a sponsorship of a betting company on the shirt and for that reason have chosen not to purchase one since Defabet began their deal. I would not be comfortable advertising gambling as too many people that I know have had their lives ruined through addiction to gambling. I think the bombardment of advertisements from betting companies around each and every football game and other sporting events is actually more concerning than the shirts. Edited March 11, 2021 by Mutley Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted March 11, 2021 So Manure get £75M a year from Adidas for the licence and up to £20M for shirt sales. Plus the £72M shirt sponsorship. And our total turnover for 31 July was £119M. Where do you start to compete? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Greavsy 2,412 Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, keelansgrandad said: So Manure get £75M a year from Adidas for the licence and up to £20M for shirt sales. Plus the £72M shirt sponsorship. And our total turnover for 31 July was £119M. Where do you start to compete? Didnt manure declare their figures this week, and are in debt too....... We arent. I know who id rather be / support. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbycanary3 994 Posted March 11, 2021 Blimey, how many Chevvies are sold each week, to generate that sort of profit? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Evil Monkey 52 Posted March 11, 2021 3 hours ago, TeemuVanBasten said: Just to turn the tables on you, I'd be interested to know where you draw the line, would you be happy if PornHub.com was our sponsor? Presumably not? But that doesn't mean that you think PornHub.com should be banned as a website? That would work better for our friends down the road, since they've spent the last few decades getting shafted like a stepmum stuck in a washing machine... 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted March 11, 2021 This is a conversation the binners won’t be having anymore Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
