Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted March 6, 2021 Does anyone think that with Watford, Brentford, Swansea and us being clearly stronger than the rest of the league (and in Swansea's case luckier too!) there's a real chance of more than a couple of teams breaking the 90 points ceiling after 46 games? 🤔 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,423 Posted March 6, 2021 Watford would have to win 8 of their remaining  11 Swansea 9 of their 13 Brentford 9 of their 12   1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary73 146 Posted March 6, 2021 I don't see them doing it especially as there are games between them. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crabbycanary3 994 Posted March 6, 2021 I have pledged £50 to the CSF if 3 or more teams get to 90 points this season. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K Lo 219 Posted March 6, 2021 '97-'98 season saw the top 3 teams on 94 (Forest), 91(Middlesboro')Â & 90 points (Sunderland)Â with 4th placed Charlton on 88 ! [ Same season that Man City got relegated to League 1 or whatever it was called back then ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ken Hairy 3,679 Posted March 6, 2021 84 will get top 2 this season imo, 90 gets you the title. Its a case of when not if now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
birchfest 397 Posted March 6, 2021 Seems unlikely just purely due to the head to heads, they cant all win every match. Whats also worth noting is that Watford have to come to us and we owe them one... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ricardo 7,239 Posted March 6, 2021 34 minutes ago, Crabbycanary3 said: I have pledged £50 to the CSF if 3 or more teams get to 90 points this season. Don't worry, no possibility of you having to pay. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Indy 3,232 Posted March 6, 2021 I think we’ll need more than 84, the three teams chasing are now picking up their game and luck is certainly helping Swansea, three might not make 90 points but I think they’ll be three who are close to that mark.....but who knows? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,821 Posted March 6, 2021 I predict that a couple of teams will be around 86 points. It's not beyond the realms of possibility that one of them might go on an exceptional run and pick up 25 points for a total of around 91. I just can't see *two* of them doing it. Brentford have lost 4 out of 6 so hardly on great form. Swansea have a lot of games to play so I doubt they will be able to sustain their good fortune. Watford do look good, but it's still a significant upturn on their overall form that's required to get that many points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K Lo 219 Posted March 6, 2021 Any team playing Swansea will have to aim to be 2 goals ahead by the 90th to get a win. 1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) Dont think we can discount the fact that without fans in stadiums ...mid table teams could well be on the beach in record time this season, without the need to be accountable for their fans at a game, what motivation is there? You can therefore see Watford and other teams at the top winning most of their remaining games...even when Swansea are looking like they might drop points vs a mid table team, theyre bailed out by the ref. ...the only points those teams might drop will be against another team at the top This could make for a higher than normal points requirement Edited March 6, 2021 by GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yellow Fever 3,684 Posted March 6, 2021 (edited) I take a simple view that 2 points/game is automatic promotion form. With typically 11 to 13 games left that is still a good a average guide. So Watford 66 + 22 = 88 Swansea 65 + 26 = 91 Brentford 63 + 24 = 87 As only 1 of these is likely to meet this average from here (2pts/game is auto promotion form) 87 or 88 points would be enough. 4 wins needed. Edited March 6, 2021 by Yellow Fever Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, K Lo said: '97-'98 season saw the top 3 teams on 94 (Forest), 91(Middlesboro')Â & 90 points (Sunderland)Â with 4th placed Charlton on 88 ! [ Same season that Man City got relegated to League 1 or whatever it was called back then ] Wow! What a season! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted March 6, 2021 1 hour ago, birchfest said: Seems unlikely just purely due to the head to heads, they cant all win every match. Whats also worth noting is that Watford have to come to us and we owe them one... True, but Brentford and Swansea only have one head to head with any of those top 4 clubs. I know they won't all win every game and I'm certain that City are virtually home and hosed but it's interesting to think how many points each of the top 4 will accrue! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shannock1956 7 Posted March 6, 2021 I predicted we'll get 98 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Icecream Snow 761 Posted March 6, 2021 I struggle to see it happening. Watford would need 8 wins from 11 games - and this run-in looks tricky Cardiff(A) Rotherham(A) Birmingham(H) Sheff Wed(H)Â Middlesboro(A) Reading(H) Luton(A) Norwich(A) Millwall(H) Brentford(A) Swansea (H) I think Swansea's fixture congestion is going to catch up with them at some point, and Brentford have lost 4 from their last 6. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sgncfc 1,204 Posted March 7, 2021 Watched the Watford game today. They looked very good in the first half and very bad in the second. With a bit more luck and a bit more ambition from Mr Hughton (where have I heard that before) Forest would have got at least a point. So many teams in this division are not prepared to give it a go. At least Luton tried today. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,351 Posted March 7, 2021 12 hours ago, K Lo said: '97-'98 season saw the top 3 teams on 94 (Forest), 91(Middlesboro')Â & 90 points (Sunderland)Â with 4th placed Charlton on 88 ! [ Same season that Man City got relegated to League 1 or whatever it was called back then ] Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,351 Posted March 7, 2021 (edited) 1 minute ago, Graham Paddons Beard said: 12 hours ago, K Lo said: '97-'98 season saw the top 3 teams on 94 (Forest), 91(Middlesboro') & 90 points (Sunderland) with 4th placed Charlton on 88 ! [ Same season that Man City got relegated to League 1 or whatever it was called back then ] Does anyone know why this happened? Presumably teams at the bottom were poor? It just seems such an anomaly and nothing like it has happened since? Edited March 7, 2021 by Graham Paddons Beard Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,351 Posted March 7, 2021 13 hours ago, Cantiaci Canary said: Does anyone think that with Watford, Brentford, Swansea and us being clearly stronger than the rest of the league (and in Swansea's case luckier too!) there's a real chance of more than a couple of teams breaking the 90 points ceiling after 46 games? 🤔 Looking at last year after 35 games the top 3 teams had 69, 65 and 60 points . The bottom teams had 34,33 and 25 (bottom was Wigan not sure if there is a points deduction in there) This year the top three have 76, 66 and 65 - the bottom clubs have 32,28 and 23 albeit they haven’t played 35 games (Rotherham only 32) but it SEEMS to suggest the top teams are getting more points  .  2018 year we went up after 35 games was more like this year top three (we were top) 69,67,67 bottom 31,26,21(binners).  Suggests this years top teams might get higher than average points ?  We would still be statistically unbelievably unlucky not to go up on 90 points. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K Lo 219 Posted March 7, 2021 7 hours ago, Graham Paddons Beard said: Does anyone know why this happened? Presumably teams at the bottom were poor? It just seems such an anomaly and nothing like it has happened since? Here's the table:https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-championship-1997-1998-spieltag/10/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Graham Paddons Beard 2,351 Posted March 7, 2021 17 minutes ago, K Lo said: Here's the table:https://www.worldfootball.net/schedule/eng-championship-1997-1998-spieltag/10/ Thanks . High scoring points season- even Charlton in 4th got 88 which would often take you up. Teams at the bottom look about normal. Strange . Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
K Lo 219 Posted March 7, 2021 Just now, Graham Paddons Beard said: Thanks . High scoring points season- even Charlton in 4th got 88 which would often take you up. Teams at the bottom look about normal. Strange . If I had the time, I'd do a points distribution curve, with points plotted against team's position and also sum the total points and work out the average pts/gameband then the std deviation from that average. Should give you a good picture where the points have been won/lost. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,800 Posted March 7, 2021 I said in another thread that I think 86 will be enough to get a team up. The condensed nature of the season has well and truly kicked in now and I think you're going to see a lot of very tired teams. The ones that are a bit less bothered with injuries or/and have more strength in depth will probably finish far better. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted March 8, 2021 On current form, I think us and Swansea will be the only 2 to breach 90 points Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
It's Character Forming 1,156 Posted March 8, 2021 On ‎06‎/‎03‎/‎2021 at 20:40, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: Dont think we can discount the fact that without fans in stadiums ...mid table teams could well be on the beach in record time this season, without the need to be accountable for their fans at a game, what motivation is there? You can therefore see Watford and other teams at the top winning most of their remaining games...even when Swansea are looking like they might drop points vs a mid table team, theyre bailed out by the ref. ...the only points those teams might drop will be against another team at the top This could make for a higher than normal points requirement Good point. It'll be interesting to see how it goes from here. Personally I'm not really convinced by Swansea, Watford or Brentford and I can see none of them getting to 90 points. But at the same time I can see some teams, especially mid-table, folding over the last few games due to lack of fans. In which case things could still be a bit interesting. Can't see us losing it from here TBH. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuff Said 4,936 Posted March 8, 2021 It would be nice to beat Leeds' 93 (?) last season. Not that that would stop Bielsa being the best manager in the history of football ever of course. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Grando 256 Posted March 8, 2021 I have a hunch we'll need 89 to guarantee second and 92 to win it. For what that's worth – which isn't very much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites