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Thanks Bee. I always rated him and wasn’t sure why we signed him to never give him an opportunity.

It’s a great point about the time it takes a player to get up to speed again following an injury as this appears to be lost on some people. It’s particularly relevant this season due to the matches being so regular, players are being needed to fast track recoveries, which rarely works.

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7 hours ago, kirku said:

It really doesn't. At all.

The only thing that table demonstrates is the ignorance of whoever spent their time putting it together.

You don’t think that if you took out someone who has contributed to 32 of their 57 goals this season and is crucial to the way they play it wouldn’t impact them negatively at all?

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22 minutes ago, Pukki Blinders said:

You don’t think that if you took out someone who has contributed to 32 of their 57 goals this season and is crucial to the way they play it wouldn’t impact them negatively at all?

Losing him would definitely impact them, no doubt. However (and it's a big however), that table is completely, utterly and entirely pointless and the only thing it demonstrates is that some idiot has too much time on his hands.

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46 minutes ago, All the Germans said:

Losing him would definitely impact them, no doubt. However (and it's a big however), that table is completely, utterly and entirely pointless and the only thing it demonstrates is that some idiot has too much time on his hands.

This

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10 hours ago, aBee said:

Well, apart from Pontus Janssen (out for the last 3 months not back until end of next month at earliest), Christian Norgaard (out since October maybe back in a couple of weeks), Charlie Goode (out most of the season through illness), Emiliano Marcondes (out a couple of months, not yet in contact training), Shandon Baptiste (out since September, unlikely to return this season), plus shorter term injuries recently for Josh Da Silva and Bryan Mbeumo, that’s spot on. 
 

Everyone has had injuries to key players, but it’s nice when opponents haven’t noticed because the understudies have performed so well!

Cute list. So far this season we've had: Zimmermann (short-term), Gibson (short-term), Pukki (3 separate short-term injuries), Placheta (1 month), Hugill (1 month, so far), Krul (6 weeks and had Covid), McLean (6 weeks and had Covid), Rupp (2 months), Stiepermann (2 months, so far), Mumba (2.5 months), Cantwell (2.5 months), Idah (3 months and had Covid), Dowell (3 months), Quintilla (3 months and had Covid), Hernandez (3 months), McGovern (expected to be out for 4 months), Byram (all season). We've had periods where we've had all of our strikers out injured so have had to play midfielders up front, both our senior goalkeepers injured so we're having to chuck in untested 19 year olds, all our left-backs out so we've spent the whole first half of the season with a right-footed centre midfielder playing there.

As you say every team has had injuries, particularly this season with all the fixture congestion and shorter pre-season. We're one of a number of clubs in the league that have had huge issues with injuries. With all that in mind, looking at your list of a handful of absentee's, it's clear you haven't had anything like the problems that most of the league has had.

Ultimately, Brentford above us at the moment because you deserve to be, I'm not arguing with that. But it's hard not to feel like luck really hasn't been on our side at times this season compared to some of the teams around us. 

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On 12/02/2021 at 09:48, TeemuVanBasten said:

It was only £5m up front though, the rest in add ons. E.g. promotion. 

Even more of a shame in that case.

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6 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

Read somewhere he’s got five bookings, anyone confirm ?

Needs to be 10 for a ban now doesn't it?

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23 minutes ago, CANARYKING said:

Read somewhere he’s got five bookings, anyone confirm ?

A player who receives five yellow cards before the 19th match-week will be issued with a one-match ban. If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban. A total of 15 yellow cards in the duration of the season will result in a three-match ban.

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16 minutes ago, Crabbycanary3 said:

A player who receives five yellow cards before the 19th match-week will be issued with a one-match ban. If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban. A total of 15 yellow cards in the duration of the season will result in a three-match ban.

Yes, what match week are we on? 29?

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2 hours ago, Crabbycanary3 said:

A player who receives five yellow cards before the 19th match-week will be issued with a one-match ban. If a player has accumulated 10 yellow cards by match-week 32 they will be handed a two-match ban. A total of 15 yellow cards in the duration of the season will result in a three-match ban.

Did you even read your own copy and paste? 

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Signing Toney should have been a no brainer for any championship side who could afford to do so, in fact I'm surprised that a lot of prem clubs didn't take a punt on him as now they will be paying 3x what they would have done before he joined Brentford. As for us, as good as it would have been to sign him, it surely would have required letting Pukki go, as it would not have been easy to convince Toney that he would be 1st choice if he was still around. If you combine that, with the £10m fee and decent wages its not a surprise why we didn't go for it.

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What a load of nonsense this table is. Some people must have far too much time on their hands. Let’s compile a table to see where we’d be if Emi was forced to play in two left boots and with his hands tied behind his back...

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2 hours ago, Crabbycanary3 said:

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Why did you bold five yellow cards, when it doesn't apply as were past game week 19? He needs ten before game week 32 for the suspension. 

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33 minutes ago, JF said:

What a load of nonsense this table is. Some people must have far too much time on their hands. Let’s compile a table to see where we’d be if Emi was forced to play in two left boots and with his hands tied behind his back...

To be fair i'd still back him to get a few MOTM awards.

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7 minutes ago, TeemuVanBasten said:

Why did you bold five yellow cards, when it doesn't apply as were past game week 19? He needs ten before game week 32 for the suspension. 

I didn't bold it, I just copied and pasted it. Already bolded. 

I had asked the same question on another Brentford thread. Just trying to help TVB, only trying to help. 

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The table in the original post is hilarious, you can't remove all the goals scored by one teams top player then point at the fact they've dropped 20 positions - you'd need to take the goals scored by all teams top scorers in order to do some kind of comparison...

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On 11/02/2021 at 17:26, Mr Angry said:

This table would have more relevance-but still not much-if you took out the goals scored by the top scorer of each team in the league.

Yes... this!

 But it would have taken him (for we can be sure, dear reader, that it is a ‘he’... as night follows day, or as (R) follows (P)) at least 24 times as long.

We should be excoriating this statty  perpetrator for his too small, not too great, time input

 

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So someone on Twitter has wasted their time and taken all of Emi’s goals and assists away and worked out the table. We would be in 16th place on 35 points

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What it might point to is that if we man mark him when they come to our place their chance of scoring might be somewhat reduced - a bit like Boro did with Cantwell and Buendia. Get Sorensen to do it.

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