EMBARASSED BY THUGS IN THE N&P LOWER

[FilletTheFishWife . 0]

[quote user="macdougalls perm"]

FTFW,

So some supporters are ''neanderthal and immature'', but then other fans simply cant ''refrain from their impulses'' which is okay. With this kind of contradiction and double standard in the space of two lines, perhaps you should be speech writing for George W. 

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I think the impulsive reaction to celebrate your team''s success is quite a contrast to the repulsive reaction of the braindead who considers it as the slightest provocation for violence and/or intimidation.

I''ve seen Norwich supporters in the away section at away matches and I wouldn''t be surprised if some of those on this post condoning this behaviour are not hypocrites (or would be given the occassion and opportunity).

Perhaps, these are the same sort, who goad a player throughout a match and then run bleating to officialdom when they get an unfavourable response.

 

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Dicky"][quote user="Saint Canary"]

Any idiot in the home end of a passionate local derby who decides to cheer when the scum score deserves whatever they get - unless of course we want to sanitise football and take away the passion that I for one love.

That is the typical knuckle-scraping troglodyte post/attitude that gives football supporters a bad name.  What exactly would they deserve Dicky?  Did the Leeds fan who was stabbed in Turkey a few years back "deserve" what he got, just because he didn''t support the local team?  Nobody deserves that.

I think there is more than enough room for rivalry and ribbing without being threatening, or is violence and abuse part of passion that you for one love.

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In my opinion they would deserve a good slap.  And that''s my opinion to which I am entitled, no matter what the namby pambies say. 

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Of course you are entitled to an opinion but just because you spout some ignorant rubbish it does not mean you have a valid one.

Give them a slap?  Fighting in the crowd is just what football is all about really isn''t it?

[beelsie 0]

Dicky you sound to be a man full of courage, You go round slapping people do you, 60 Years ago I fought for the right of British people to live in peace and have the right of free speech and travel and welcome in any part of these British Isles.  You may pay for a seat in a stand at a football club, and you think that makes you some sort of judge over who deserves a slap.  I suppose that on the field of conflict you would decide to ask for an identity card from your comrade in arms to see where he came from so you could make up your mind whether he was worthy of your support, do''nt forget Dicky with all due respect to your opinion, those who are judging are also being judged. I am glad the likes of you class me as a namby pamby, especially as it seems to give you some sort of kick.

[GJD 0]

Seems to me if you sit with the homes fans and give it the large, then you can’t really complain if you receive some stick back. I suspect you would have received equal treatment celebrating within the Ipswich section!

Having sat with Crewe fans and celebrated when Norwich scored in our promotion winning season I know how hard it is not to celebrate a goal.  Infact I failed miserably and was nearly thrown out and one would not have complained. Still they were in a happy mood and let it be! I would not have done that at Millwall, Cardiff or Ipswich and expected to have been treated so fairly and in some ways why should I? I would have used discretion and saved me the hassle.

Football is about passion, rivalry and sometimes harsh words. Violence one can not condone, but let’s not get carried away here. Sounds like these fans got some verbals and that’s it. They will no doubt be talking the talk today at work and be the local hero. Times have been a lot worse at football in the early 80’s when I started going, so let’s be not over-react here…

[beelsie 0]

Like many fans you are so weak that you must be part of a gang to feel proud, sounds like an inferiority complex.  It also shows a lack of self discipline in your case and the same goes for the Ipswich fan. 

[Marty 0]

I think it OK to have to odd aways fan in the home end (we''ve all done it) but only if the fans have respect and don''t over celebrate if the score, if they go over the top they deserve whats coming! I don''t see why there can''t be friendly banter between fans.

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well what do you expect.

The most important game in the season in many norwich fans eyes, and an ipswich fan starts cheering when they score! They should stick to their own end.

We have that sort of trouble in the n and p lower with spurs fans last season and that was bad, so what do you expect with ipswich, our biggest rivals!!!!!!![:@][8o|]

[Mook 0]

Namby Pambies??

Deserve a good slap???

What kind of tabloid-reading tripe is that? Passion? Since when did passion mean aggression and threats of violence?

I''d love to meet your other half, Dicky, if that''s what you think "passion" is.

I bet you believe whatever the Daily Mail tells you to believe.

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

[quote user="Mook"]

Namby Pambies??

Deserve a good slap???

What kind of tabloid-reading tripe is that? Passion? Since when did passion mean aggression and threats of violence?

I''d love to meet your other half, Dicky, if that''s what you think "passion" is.

I bet you believe whatever the Daily Mail tells you to believe.

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Dicky/Squit innit??  I agree mook but people have had a few too many in some cases...

[Trent Canary 0]

The simple fact is 95% of football fans could happily sit with other fans and enjoy the game. Its just the minority who wouldnt be able to handle it and Im sure would instigate a brawl, because thats what Passion + Football is equal too apparently..

I went to England V Wales this weekend and had a great laugh with a bunch of pissed up Welsh fans. Not a hint of trouble anywhere. Same goes for practically every sport across the globe.

[gazzathegreat 0]

[quote user="Dicky"]

I have been in the home end many times watching Norwich play away, when I couldn''t get tickets for the away end.  At these, I have always shown respect to the home fans, at their ground  and sat on my hands and kept my mouth shut.  The only exception to this being Fulham when we were 5-0 down (sung solo OTBC).

Any idiot in the home end of a passionate local derby who decides to cheer when the scum score deserves whatever they get - unless of course we want to sanitise football and take away the passion that I for one love.

 

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You must have been near us then Dicky, we were in the home stand at Fulham, as we couldn''t get tickets in the away end.  We didn''t wear obvious colours, just kept them covered.  During the match we revealed our support for Norwich and suffered no abuse, in fact the Fulham fans thought we were great, still cheering our team at 4-0 down and more!

However, I have sat in the Ipswich home areas on occasion and kept very very quiet.  You just have to judge the mood of the occcasion and whose set of supporters you are next to. 

Also, on occasion I have had various fans of different clubs next to me at CR and they have all behaved and been well received by those around me.  It''s all a question of judging the likely reaction of the crowd.  That said, I have also stood in the away section of Carrow Road v Stockport, one wonderful day and they were brilliant, a set of fans it''s hard to beat.  Okay, we just did it to say we''d been in every area of the ground, but obviously picked a game where the fans would be okay and they were.  Fantastic in fact. 

As some of you have said, it''s a real shame we can''t sit together at games - but realistically in some cases this is not going to work. 

[YankeeCanary 0]

Some of the opinions expressed on this thread that are not only tolerant of physical outbreaks at a sporting event, but actually condone it, are disappointing to say the least. If you actually condone such a thing at a sporting event when there are children present then, in my opinion, you have no business bringing children into the world.

Have any of you had the opportunity to experience attending a U.S. college football game? Crowds are very large ( 70-80,000 ) and there are certainly lots of young people present and the level of passion is significant, far more so than most football grounds I have attended in the UK. Supporters of both competing colleges are mixed in the stands but my experience has always been good-natured cheering and passion coming from both sides without physical problems or threats being an issue. This is the way it should be.   

[Trent Canary 0]

Gazza, Dicky.

 I too was in the Fulham end. Front row about seven seats from the Norwich end. They were friendly enough, think they found it all quite amusing really.

[Dicky 0]

Gazza/Trent  

We were one row in from the back, with the Norwich fans in the stand to our left - corporate tickets. 

[milan marcus 0]

If my wife said she was a scummer I would boot her out

Football is all about passion and living for the badge I can''t beleive

how many sad losers are posting about how rivaly is bad and we should

all be friends

Get a life and go a watch hockey or cricket if you want football to say

how it should be than give as much verbal to any scummer anywhere

Up the city

[ManchesterCanary 0]

Anyone else remember celebrating Norwich goals while stood in the North Stand at Portaloo...now that was abuse! Those were the days...

[CatNcfc 0]

I would never condone violence towards other fans but i wouldnt want all the fans mixed together, the point is that its Norwich, the team, with their fans, playing some other team with their fans.  Fans sitting together would just be too confusing, and the mix of chants would sound awful [:)] I''ve sat with away fans, against Forest, when Green managed that highly embarrasing moment, and i still managed to keep quite even when they were all laughing at us, belive me that was not easy.  The point is i knew i shouldnt be there and didnt want to cause any problems, turned out half the row behind me were norwich fans too, but they were being quiet too and although the forest fans twigged in the end they were fine about it because we wernt causing problems (and cos they won...)  I think fans sitting with the opposition fans should just be respectful, if were winning, and have a sense of humor about things when were losing, or sit in depressed silence cos were getting good at that.

One other point, i think on derby days ipswich fans sitting in the norwich seats should really be quiet, and also shouldnt do it if they have any other choice, cos i and many others would have dearly loved to have those seats to watch the most anticpated match of the season.

Really do wish fans could get on better off the pitch tho, some are great (Birmingham fans at the play off final) but i went to watch Notts County (my dads team) against West Ham and we were police escorted to and from the ground and told to wait untill they''d all left before we got on the tube to go home...at the end of the 90mins it is only a game.

[Plastic Scouser 0]

[quote user="beelsie"]Dicky you sound to be a man full of courage, You go round slapping people do you, 60 Years ago I fought for the right of British people to live in peace and have the right of free speech and travel and welcome in any part of these British Isles.  You may pay for a seat in a stand at a football club, and you think that makes you some sort of judge over who deserves a slap.  I suppose that on the field of conflict you would decide to ask for an identity card from your comrade in arms to see where he came from so you could make up your mind whether he was worthy of your support, do''nt forget Dicky with all due respect to your opinion, those who are judging are also being judged. I am glad the likes of you class me as a namby pamby, especially as it seems to give you some sort of kick.[/quote]

 

Nice post Beelsie.

It really worries me that in the 21st century - after the supposed death of hooliganism in the game, that so many of our "fantastic" supporters are talking in terms of giving opposition supporters a "slap"...this is from people who regularly claim the moral high ground when it comes to maturity on this board.   Sad isn''t it?

[Trent Canary 0]

[quote user="milan marcus"]If my wife said she was a scummer I would boot her out

Football is all about passion and living for the badge I can''t beleive how many sad losers are posting about how rivaly is bad and we should all be friends

Get a life and go a watch hockey or cricket if you want football to say how it should be than give as much verbal to any scummer anywhere

Up the city

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So you would happily "Boot" your wife out for something so trivial. If Miss Trent decided to tell me she is an Ipswich fan then I dont think I could really have liked her that much if I told her I couldnt handle it anymore as I might have to live with an Ipswich fan. God Forbid that..

Yes we know football is about passion. As I said on here I went to England V Wales at rugby this weekend, two teams that dont particularly like each other. Theres a lot of passion between the two teams and fans. Yet we can happily sit next to each other without bashing each others heads in. Who said rivalry is bad? I love the rivalry, doesnt mean I want to punch them or shout abuse at them in the streets. They arent a different species or anything.

"give as much verbal to any scummer anywhere" - Im sure your brave enough to do that in the streets if the opportunity arose. With phrases such as "Get a life " and "Sad losers" you come across as a pretty tough bloke.

[ZLF 274]

Astounding - comments such as give them a slap, smack in the gob from apparently intelligent people - explain why our society is such moral decay if we cant tolerate sitting next to another person who happens to support a rival team without feeling the urge for physical violence and then have the audacity/ignorance to claim that they asked for it!

My head is hung in shame - at city fans and humanity alike[:$][U][:(]

[Baldyboy 0]

wow! what a stir i caused with this post. it wasnt my intention to stir up a hornets nest but seems i did.However, it appears to me that a lot of people dont read the original posts when replying after all, i said the ipswich fans were celebrating a goal. they were NOT giving any Norwich fans any grief as some of you seem to think, nor did my wife give any abuse, even to me.

it just shows how sad some people are to say some of the things that have been said and that they dont value human life at all. how many of you, if you were dying and needed mouth to mouth would rather die thatn get help from an ipswich fan? would you ask before accepting their offer of help or rather die? that would be interesting to know the answer to.

i would never turf my wife out for being a "scummer" as many of you call her. that is one thing she most definitely is NOT. i dont consider football to be the most important thing in life and it never would be, especially when seeing some of the things i have seen in recent years. (i am in the military and have seen service in the gulf, before anyone asks) at no time did i refuse to carry out my duty because i was not wanting to help these sad people i just did it because i had to.

some people on here should really think long and hard about the comments they make before submitting them as they can be quite offensive if taken out of context.

i will think long and hard before i post again i think

[milan marcus 0]

Unlike you Trent Canary I served my time on the terraces and on the street of Milan.  City is in my heart and in my blood I cannot switch it off and that’s why I would boot Mrs. Milan out if she said she was a scummer…Some things in life are to important. 

 

I suggest you carry on watching Rugger and leave slagging scummers off to those who you cut yellow and green.

 

Up the City

[Rudolph Hucker 0]

milan marcus wrote:

If my wife said she was a scummer I would boot her out [U]

Football is all about passion and living for the badge I can''t beleive how many sad losers are posting about how rivaly is bad and we should all be friends[:O]

Get a life and go a watch hockey or cricket if you want football to say how it should be than give as much verbal to any scummer anywhere[Y]

Up the city

Issues?

[milan marcus 0]

 

Trent Canary you will never know what real football is all about that’s why you would be happy to be married to an Ipswich fan.  If my wife told me she was a scummer it would be an easy decision...Something’s in life are more important.

 

Unlike you Trent Canary I cut my teeth on the terraces and the streets of Milan.  My blood is yellow and green.  You will never understand how my blood boils when we you mention the scum and that’s why I love my football because nothing else can make you feel that way.  But don’t worry keep enjoying the Rugger and buy the Welsh a beer from me…

 

Up the city...

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="ZippersLeftFoot"]

Astounding - comments such as give them a slap, smack in the gob from apparently intelligent people - explain why our society is such moral decay if we cant tolerate sitting next to another person who happens to support a rival team without feeling the urge for physical violence and then have the audacity/ignorance to claim that they asked for it!

My head is hung in shame - at city fans and humanity alike[:$][U][:(]

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Agreed.  Best Fans in the World, don''t think so.

[Trent Canary 0]

Milan,

Personally I despair.

But each to their own. Agree to disagree etc etc

[Citizen Journalist Foghorn 0]

the violence ui cannot agree with, a bit of banter and swearing perhaps- -especially if they overcelelbrate.

[Mook 0]

Milan Marcus - if people like you were put in a cage, then perhaps football wouldn''t be losing so many fans to the likes of Cricket, Rugby etc etc. I suppose you think that swearing at and manhandling refs is "part and parcel of the passion of football". Which, of course, it isn''t. It''s overgrown babies throwing their rattles.

Personally - my best friend is an Ipswich fan, and he was the first to celebrate on Sunday. However, I didn''t feel the need to end our friendship or have a fight with him.

I don''t appreciate being patronised by the likes of knuckle-draggers such as yourself, glorifying football violence and rivalries, and telling me I like Rugby because I don''t want to throw my wife out for her preference of football team.

Football is my sport, Norwich is my team. But I also like to have a life. You should try one.

[Saint Canary 0]

[quote user="Mook"]

Milan Marcus - if people like you were put in a cage, then perhaps football wouldn''t be losing so many fans to the likes of Cricket, Rugby etc etc. I suppose you think that swearing at and manhandling refs is "part and parcel of the passion of football". Which, of course, it isn''t. It''s overgrown babies throwing their rattles.

Personally - my best friend is an Ipswich fan, and he was the first to celebrate on Sunday. However, I didn''t feel the need to end our friendship or have a fight with him.

I don''t appreciate being patronised by the likes of knuckle-draggers such as yourself, glorifying football violence and rivalries, and telling me I like Rugby because I don''t want to throw my wife out for her preference of football team.

Football is my sport, Norwich is my team. But I also like to have a life. You should try one.

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Big mistake, you should have not used words with more than two syllables.  I don''t really know why I bothered posting on this thread, it was stupid of me to forget that some people are unable to be reasonable.

[beelsie 0]

Well Milan I would suggest that a few years in the military where you would be taught discipline and restraint, however, your remarks show you not to be old enough, or fit enough for active service, any way you could be called upon to protect a homestead in Ipswich.