lake district canary 4,520 Posted January 30, 2021 All too predictable. Once booked, he's as good as off the pitch. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,516 Posted January 30, 2021 It's not just the price tag that puts teams off of buying Emi And I will leave it at that Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lake district canary 4,520 Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, cambridgeshire canary said: It's not just the price tag that puts teams off of buying Emi And I will leave it at that Why leave it at that? Your implications are disparaging to the player, unnecessarily so. It is down to the manager to take him off. There is no point in having an Emi on the pitch who can't play full on - he needs to be fully snapping at the heels of players, therein lies most of his effectivemess. His effectiveness is his full on game - take that away by expecting him to hold back because he's been booked and he might as well not be on the pitch. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CDMullins 435 Posted January 30, 2021 2 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Why leave it at that? Your implications are disparaging to the player, unnecessarily so. It is down to the manager to take him off. There is no point in having an Emi on the pitch who can't play full on - he needs to be fully snapping at the heels of players, therein lies most of his effectivemess. His effectiveness is his full on game - take that away by expecting him to hold back because he's been booked and he might as well not be on the pitch. He doesn't, He needs to manage his own game and understand he is more important to us on the pitch than leaving us short on it. I also agree that his temprament could be putting teams off parting with big cash. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheGunnShow 5,807 Posted January 30, 2021 7 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Why leave it at that? Your implications are disparaging to the player, unnecessarily so. It is down to the manager to take him off. There is no point in having an Emi on the pitch who can't play full on - he needs to be fully snapping at the heels of players, therein lies most of his effectivemess. His effectiveness is his full on game - take that away by expecting him to hold back because he's been booked and he might as well not be on the pitch. Therein lies some of his effectiveness when we're not in possession. But he's got to learn when not to dive in. If you're on a yellow, don't dive in. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hairy Canary 628 Posted January 30, 2021 If a player has to be substituted every time he gets booked then he’s not worth £40 million. He has to learn to adapt his game once he’s on a yellow if he wants to make the most of his wonderful talent. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newtopia 513 Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Why leave it at that? Your implications are disparaging to the player, unnecessarily so. It is down to the manager to take him off. There is no point in having an Emi on the pitch who can't play full on - he needs to be fully snapping at the heels of players, therein lies most of his effectivemess. His effectiveness is his full on game - take that away by expecting him to hold back because he's been booked and he might as well not be on the pitch. I love EMI, but the point is correct. He has to play on the edge to be effective, yet either his technique when tackling or his judgement is not quite right. Watching him I can’t work it out, I think he is genuinely unlucky, but I suspect that is because of my yellow and green lenses. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
First Wazzock 863 Posted January 30, 2021 Being a dinosaur and a bit of a purist, I really can't understand what enjoyment and pride you can take from trying (and succeeding) in getting your opponents sent off. Where was the skill from Saville? Rolling on the floor as if you have got a broken leg after the most gentle of collisions. It's terribly frustrating when you find the referee has no clue when it comes to reading intent. Darnell Fisher played the man on a few occasions and wasn't even spoken too. The worst one being when he cleaned Cantwell out when making no attempt to play the ball and the commentators seemed to think it was a 'coming together'. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,349 Posted January 30, 2021 Just now, First Wazzock said: Being a dinosaur and a bit of a purist, I really can't understand what enjoyment and pride you can take from trying (and succeeding) in getting your opponents sent off. Where was the skill from Saville? Rolling on the floor as if you have got a broken leg after the most gentle of collisions. It's terribly frustrating when you find the referee has no clue when it comes to reading intent. Darnell Fisher played the man on a few occasions and wasn't even spoken too. The worst one being when he cleaned Cantwell out when making no attempt to play the ball and the commentators seemed to think it was a 'coming together'. The fact that Fisher didn’t even get spoken to was an absolute joke. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,365 Posted January 30, 2021 “We said he’d get sent off” pff, yeah, alright... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Capt. Pants 4,092 Posted January 30, 2021 Play him in the no 10 role. Keep him out of our own half and halfway line. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,703 Posted January 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, lake district canary said: Why leave it at that? Your implications are disparaging to the player, unnecessarily so. It is down to the manager to take him off. There is no point in having an Emi on the pitch who can't play full on - he needs to be fully snapping at the heels of players, therein lies most of his effectivemess. His effectiveness is his full on game - take that away by expecting him to hold back because he's been booked and he might as well not be on the pitch. I don't think his implications are disparaging at all; they're completely accurate. Any club thinking of buying Buendia, or any £40m player, will have reservations about a player who has now been sent off four times in two-and-a-half seasons. As for the rest of your post, I agree with most of it. We know that his attitude and competitive nature makes him susceptible to silly cards, but it's also what turns him from a good player to excellent one. If he gets a yellow, you can't really take him off because he's so important to us, but at the same time you can't tell him to calm down because he won't be so effective. In most cases where the game is close, you have to just leave him to play his natural game and hope that he doesn't get a second. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
percy varco 196 Posted January 30, 2021 I agree, it is a trait of Emi that he needs to work on as it is blackening his obvious talent. He looked frustrated from 10 mins in and disappeared for chunks of the game. Not the Emi we have seen while the Transfer Window had more time left. If Colin was aware then other Managers & Scoits are also aware. Emi will still be with us in the Prem next season Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Cantiaci Canary 556 Posted January 30, 2021 And their bench were roaring at Saville to 'stay down' to ensure Emi got the red. When you're up against that you have to be cleverer when you're on a yellow. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Branston Pickle 3,598 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) It’s hardly ‘disparaging’ when it is true - Emi needs to learn to control himself. He has been sent off 3 times since the restart, all totally unnecessary and no one else comes close. Teams and players will play up to his reputation and it is up to him not to give the ref a decision to make. Edited January 30, 2021 by Branston Pickle 2 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shefcanary 2,341 Posted January 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, First Wazzock said: Being a dinosaur and a bit of a purist, I really can't understand what enjoyment and pride you can take from trying (and succeeding) in getting your opponents sent off. Where was the skill from Saville? Rolling on the floor as if you have got a broken leg after the most gentle of collisions. It's terribly frustrating when you find the referee has no clue when it comes to reading intent. Darnell Fisher played the man on a few occasions and wasn't even spoken too. The worst one being when he cleaned Cantwell out when making no attempt to play the ball and the commentators seemed to think it was a 'coming together'. FW your opening statement, that's a contradiction. It's dinosaurs like Colin that revel in that sort of thing, therefore making you the anti-dinosaur. He has a PhD in playing the player and ref, rather than playing the game. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
keelansgrandad 6,679 Posted January 30, 2021 Boro were going down last season and he did his usual and saved them. Now they are challenging for a play off spot. I don't like that style of football and know most of our supporters don't either. But you can't keep knocking the bloke for turning things around. Its pointless because his record is phenomenal. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted January 30, 2021 Wonder if Farke knew a second yellow would result in a 2 game ban and not 1?? ....if didnt know , I wonder if he'd have subbed him had he found out?? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,311 Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: Wonder if Farke knew a second yellow would result in a 2 game ban and not 1?? ....if didnt know , I wonder if he'd have subbed him had he found out?? Well to be fair he's the manager so he should know Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted January 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, ......and Smith must score. said: Well to be fair he's the manager so he should know ...he 'should' ...but i wonder if all the intricacies and rules are known in rhe heat of the moment? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
......and Smith must score. 1,311 Posted January 30, 2021 1 minute ago, GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary said: ...he 'should' ...but i wonder if all the intricacies and rules are known in rhe heat of the moment? Probably not. We're all human. Fair point. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pukki Blinders 96 Posted January 30, 2021 (edited) You can’t sub him off every time he gets a yellow, because as said above he needs to learn how to manage himself once he gets a booking, and as I said in the match thread really should’ve done that by now, particularly as opposition teams like Boro will look to exploit that. It was silly to dive into a tackle when already booked, even if it was just a mistimed 50/50. That said I do feel a bit for him in the sense that I don’t think either of his red cards this season were actually red cards. The clueless ref was conned into giving him one today and it wasn’t a dissimilar situation when he got sent off against Stoke either. He does need to learn though. We all know how poor our record of winning games is without him in the side (off the top of my head we’ve only won once without him since he made his debut?) and it’s really frustrating that he’s now going to miss our game against Swansea on Friday, the most important game of our season so far. Edited January 30, 2021 by Pukki Blinders Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Crafty Canary 490 Posted January 30, 2021 It does seem that once Emi is booked he then gets sent off. Has anyone done an analysis of the percentage of his bookings that lead to a red card? It would allow an objective view on how much of an issue this actually is Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted January 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, Pukki Blinders said: You can’t sub him off every time he gets a yellow, because as said above he needs to learn how to manage himself once he gets a booking, and as I said in the match thread really should’ve done that by now, particularly as opposition teams like Boro will look to exploit that. It was silly to dive into a tackle when already booked, even if it was just a mistimed 50/50. That said I do feel a bit for him in the sense that I don’t think either of his red cards this season were actually red cards. The clueless ref was conned into giving him one today and it wasn’t a dissimilar situation when he got sent off against Stoke either. He does need to learn though. We all know how poor our record of winning games is without him in the side (off the top of my head we’ve only won once without him since he made his debut?) and it’s really frustrating that he’s now going to miss our game against Swansea on Friday, the most important game of our season so far. Nope - away at Everton in the Premier League and away at Huddersfield this season. Plus a number of FA Cup games such as at home to Coventry this season and away to Preston and Burnley last season. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GJL Mid-Norfolk Canary 1,655 Posted January 30, 2021 Wonder how we might cover his suspension?....could well do two different things for either game... 3 options as i see it? Skipp McLean Cantwell Vrancic Hernandez/Placeta Pukki Skipp McLean Dowell Vrancic Cantwell Pukki Rupp Skipp McLean Cantwell Dowell/Hendz/Plach Pukki Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Essjayess 307 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Branston Pickle said: It’s hardly ‘disparaging’ when it is true - Emi needs to learn to control himself. He has been sent off 3 times since the restart, all totally unnecessary and no one else comes close. Teams and players will play up to his reputation and it is up to him not to give the ref a decision to make. Sorry but that just wont happen, Emi will always be the way he is, its in his make up, in his nature, these things are next to impossible to control. Im sure he himself more than anyone else knows whats happening and im sure he does his best to not let it happen but inevitably he will always have sendings off, its that simple. Similar players who had similar issues also never really got over their moments when red was staring them in the face. Question obviously is, will any Prem side take a chance on buying such a player, knowing that this guy will lose a few matches each season thru suspensions. We will wait and see on that. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AJ 1,218 Posted January 30, 2021 He will learn from it, he's still young. But going back to the dirty tactics, if you were up against Bueno what would do? Of course you'd be trying to aggravate him Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Thirsty Lizard 3,085 Posted January 30, 2021 1 hour ago, lake district canary said: Why leave it at that? Your implications are disparaging to the player, unnecessarily so. It is down to the manager to take him off. There is no point in having an Emi on the pitch who can't play full on - he needs to be fully snapping at the heels of players, therein lies most of his effectivemess. His effectiveness is his full on game - take that away by expecting him to hold back because he's been booked and he might as well not be on the pitch. I'm sorry but this is drivel. What he needs to be doing first and foremost is getting on the ball and setting up and scoring goals with his marvellous vision and skill. Yes, he needs to do his share of defensive work and pressing when we haven't got the ball, but he needs to do this without risking getting booked and sent off. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Pukki Blinders 96 Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Thirsty Lizard said: Nope - away at Everton in the Premier League and away at Huddersfield this season. Plus a number of FA Cup games such as at home to Coventry this season and away to Preston and Burnley last season. He played in that Everton game, so that makes the Huddersfield game on the opening day is the only time we’ve won a league match without him. Our record in the league without Emi: P11 W1 D6 L4 9 points out of a possible 33. Doesn’t bode well (particularly for the Swansea game on Friday). Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mason 47 1,351 Posted January 30, 2021 A collective failing for me. Emi should have worked out by now that going in for challenges like that on a yellow card is begging for trouble, and from that perspective he's let us down today. However, as much as you can't expect Farke to sub him every time he gets a booking, he's played Warnock a few times now and must have known they would be up to those quite specific tricks today. Personally, I'm a little surprised that we didn't have any notable reaction to the aggressive man-marking they were employing on Buendia and Catnwell, which no doubt contributed to the frustrations. The Championship is a wonderfully diverse and competitive league, which makes it so satisfying to get promoted automatically from. We failed as a team to deal with the Warnock playbook today and it's a case of dusting off and going again. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites