Naturalcynic 629 Posted December 8, 2020 29 minutes ago, Alex Moss said: Doesn’t matter. The players are doing this to highlight discrimination towards black people, which is correct. They are not doing it for political reasons. But you already know this 👍 P.s your user name says it all. Make sure you have a coffee this morning, it’ll help stop you falling off the edge of the earth. To reiterate, much as some might wish to pretend otherwise, “taking a knee” is perceived as being inextricably linked with BLM. Many feel it is inappropriate for football to overtly symbolise its support for that particular extremist movement, particularly when there are already highly successful and non-divisive anti-racism campaigns in place such as “Kick it out”. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,835 Posted December 8, 2020 Here's another great article exploring the issue. The author (a Millwall fan), like all reasonable people, agrees that booing an anti-racist gesture is a racist act. Quote ...those involved must realise that booing – not ignoring, but actually pissing all over – a gesture that expresses anti-racism is by its nature a racist act. https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/dec/07/taking-a-knee-is-a-sign-to-minorities-they-are-welcome-at-football-grounds Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Petriix 2,835 Posted December 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, Naturalcynic said: To reiterate, much as some might wish to pretend otherwise, “taking a knee” is perceived as being inextricably linked with BLM. Many feel it is inappropriate for football to overtly symbolise its support for that particular extremist movement, particularly when there are already highly successful and non-divisive anti-racism campaigns in place such as “Kick it out”. Many people use the well-known tactic of pretending that you are saying something different to what you are actually saying in order to give the appearance of defeating your point. It's called a straw man argument. By pretending that making a simple gesture for racial equality is somehow linked to a sinister undercurrent, racists are attempting to silence and undermine the call for change. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 We have one thread on the off topic page and one thread on the Norwich City main discussion page talking about the same thing. Just pointing that out to everyone. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted December 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, Petriix said: Many people use the well-known tactic of pretending that you are saying something different to what you are actually saying in order to give the appearance of defeating your point. It's called a straw man argument. By pretending that making a simple gesture for racial equality is somehow linked to a sinister undercurrent, racists are attempting to silence and undermine the call for change. This. Precisely. 👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,738 Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, The Real Buh said: We have one thread on the off topic page and one thread on the Norwich City main discussion page talking about the same thing. Just pointing that out to everyone. You forgot to mention posters that are bouncing between both threads. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaywick_canery 28 Posted December 8, 2020 2 hours ago, Alex Moss said: Doesn’t matter. The players are doing this to highlight discrimination towards black people, which is correct. They are not doing it for political reasons. But you already know this 👍 P.s your user name says it all. Make sure you have a coffee this morning, it’ll help stop you falling off the edge of the earth. They are doing it to preserve their careers and protect their families from abuse. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaywick_canery 28 Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Petriix said: Many people use the well-known tactic of pretending that you are saying something different to what you are actually saying in order to give the appearance of defeating your point. It's called a straw man argument. By pretending that making a simple gesture for racial equality is somehow linked to a sinister undercurrent, racists are attempting to silence and undermine the call for change. Ahhhh.... that old chestnut. That is called attempted 'reverse psychology' and is as transparent as hell. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, TIL 1010 said: You forgot to mention posters that are bouncing between both threads. I’m thinking this isn’t about taking the knee and more about forcing politics onto the main board to ruin it basically 🤔 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rock The Boat 1,330 Posted December 8, 2020 I'd like to ask all those who want to see footballers continue taking the knee whether they have introduced taking the knee each morning in their places of work? 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FenwayFrank 2,459 Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, The Real Buh said: I’m thinking this isn’t about taking the knee and more about forcing politics onto the main board to ruin it basically 🤔 I don’t think it will be too much longer before this thread is pulled Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, FenwayFrank said: I don’t think it will be too much longer before this thread is pulled But then they’ll start another one its an “issue” now. Pete moves or trims this thread they’ll call him a racist. It’s how they work. That’s why the containment board was set up Edited December 8, 2020 by The Real Buh Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Herman 9,756 Posted December 8, 2020 22 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said: I'd like to ask all those who want to see footballers continue taking the knee whether they have introduced taking the knee each morning in their places of work? Yeah I do. I even raise my fist as I am super militant. Then a quick cup of joe and a peruse of the Morning Star. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 8, 2020 3 hours ago, The Real Buh said: We have one thread on the off topic page and one thread on the Norwich City main discussion page talking about the same thing. Just pointing that out to everyone. Hadn't noticed . Are you a message board community officer...ie not real Board Police, but a wannabe? 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said: Hadn't noticed . Are you a message board community officer...ie not real Board Police, but a wannabe? What are you going to do about what I say on here? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 8, 2020 1 minute ago, The Real Buh said: What are you going to do about what I say on here? Generally roll my eyes with the repetitive nature of most of it, occasionally titter, once I actually laughed . Hows that for a straight answer to a straight question. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 8, 2020 Just now, wcorkcanary said: Generally roll my eyes with the repetitive nature of most of it, occasionally titter, once I actually laughed . Hows that for a straight answer to a straight question. Pretend officer. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 19 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Generally roll my eyes with the repetitive nature of most of it, occasionally titter, once I actually laughed . Hows that for a straight answer to a straight question. Nothing then, yeah? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 8, 2020 14 minutes ago, The Real Buh said: Nothing then, yeah? Why would I? I have no aspirations to be forum police, or Pete's watchpup. Good day to you sir. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 43 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said: Why would I? I have no aspirations to be forum police, or Pete's watchpup. Good day to you sir. What you are is a pu55y mate Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Canary Wundaboy 1,359 Posted December 8, 2020 The topic of this thread is far less tiresome that the bickering of the usual suspects that keep derailing it. Can you guys please take it to private message so you can continue your lovers tiff without the rest of us having to partake? 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Real Buh 3,432 Posted December 8, 2020 5 minutes ago, Canary Wundaboy said: The topic of this thread is far less tiresome that the bickering of the usual suspects that keep derailing it. Can you guys please take it to private message so you can continue your lovers tiff without the rest of us having to partake? “I find it all so tiresome” *faints* *is wafted with fans to regain consciousness* Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wcorkcanary 4,334 Posted December 8, 2020 1 hour ago, The Real Buh said: What you are is a pu55y mate Because I can't be arrised to have a barney online with you? Very good. Well done . Jog on . End of comms for now. Byeee x Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JF 694 Posted December 8, 2020 I presume they are doing this in the champions league matches? Anyway, the PSG match has just been suspended as the players have walked off the pitch after accusations of racism towards a player from the 4th official Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TIL 1010 4,738 Posted December 8, 2020 7 hours ago, FenwayFrank said: I don’t think it will be too much longer before this thread is pulled Peter The Deleter must be on a day off. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jaywick_canery 28 Posted December 8, 2020 7 hours ago, The Real Buh said: But then they’ll start another one its an “issue” now. Pete moves or trims this thread they’ll call him a racist. It’s how they work. That’s why the containment board was set up It is happening on the 'field of play' which makes it a 'football matter'. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ELYOUKAYEE 37 Posted December 8, 2020 15 minutes ago, JF said: I presume they are doing this in the champions league matches? Anyway, the PSG match has just been suspended as the players have walked off the pitch after accusations of racism towards a player from the 4th official Apparently the 4th official said "Just because you're Black, it doesn't mean you deserve special treatment" and all the players walked off because... Equit.. sorry equality. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man 3,820 Posted December 8, 2020 16 minutes ago, JF said: I presume they are doing this in the champions league matches? Anyway, the PSG match has just been suspended as the players have walked off the pitch after accusations of racism towards a player from the 4th official Apparently the fourth official had an argument with the assistant manager of Istanbul, and called the ref over to send him off. When the ref asked who, the fourth official said in English 'the black guy'. At best naive, at worst racist. You'd think that UEFA officials would be savvy enough to avoid any references to skin colour. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hogesar 9,658 Posted December 8, 2020 25 minutes ago, Wacky Waving Inflatable Arm Flailing Tube Man said: Apparently the fourth official had an argument with the assistant manager of Istanbul, and called the ref over to send him off. When the ref asked who, the fourth official said in English 'the black guy'. At best naive, at worst racist. You'd think that UEFA officials would be savvy enough to avoid any references to skin colour. I'll admit to being a bit naive to this sort of situation myself. So is referring to a person's skin when trying to reference someone out of a group racist? Is it only racist if that person is black? Ill admit, its entirely probable if there was one white guy with 4 black guys and I was asked which one I probably wouldn't hesitate saying the white guy. I think a lot of people would be the same without having any racist thoughts so is the comment itself racist? Of course, its upset some of the black players who heard it and they're the ones to say if its hurtful or not. If its hurtful I fully support that; but does that automatically make it racist? 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cambridgeshire canary 6,715 Posted December 8, 2020 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites