Unbeaten in 10 and 24 points in those 10- Can we appreciate just how well we have done so far?

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

Been seeing some complaning about moaning across social media about our point against Coventry. While yes I understand that getting a point at home against a newly promoted side is not quite the best- Given our injury list (and a lack of strikers, Krul and Pukki out and Emi suspended) I don't have too many arguments with a point given the circumstances. 

And yes, I do understand that making it so far 1-nill up and then getting pegged back to 1-1 to get a point in the 90th minute does really suck (hey least we know how the opposition feels wherever we get one of our classic late goals 🙃) can we at least appreciate just how fantastic our 10 game unbeaten run is?

 

10 unbeaten. With the injuries and suspensions we have had.. And given we started the season with 4 points from 4 I will happily take a 10 game unbeaten run into December. 

 

We all need a little more positivity me thinks 😉

 

Edited November 29, 2020 by cambridgeshire canary

[HazzaJet 267]

I agree with you CC. 10 games unbeaten consisting of 24pts from 30 is a very good run in my opinion - that’s 80% of the available points. Although due to our injury list it looks like the next month is going to be turn out a bit tricky for us, the way I look at it is that at least we managed to do well when our injury list wasn’t as long

[jaywick_canery 28]

If we fail to look at the injury mess the club has got it's self into it will become just be another self perpetuating circle as before. We have been very lucky with decisions and late goals this season but our luck finally ran out yesterday.

 

Same backroom.... same decimation on the pitch.

 

 

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

1 minute ago, jaywick_canery said:

If we fail to look at the injury mess the club has got it's self into it will become just be another self perpetuating circle as before. We have been very lucky with decisions and late goals this season but our luck finally ran out yesterday.

 

Same backroom.... same decimation on the pitch.

 

 

Binner

[jaywick_canery 28]

Just now, cambridgeshire canary said:

Binner

Oh dear.... what a child.

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

5 minutes ago, jaywick_canery said:

Oh dear.... what a child.

Says the man whos first thoughts on a thread about us going ten unbeaten is to bash the board.

 

The irony.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

I'm with CC on this one Jaywicko, its pretty pointless whinging about the injuries, much better for your head to  get behind the squad/ management. I know some take pride in their masters degrees in hindsight,  but its not useful......to anyone.

[Capt. Pants 5,008]

The extent of the injuries hasn't applied to all of the 10 games and for the earlier part we had a large squad many with Premier League experience.

Many were frustrated yesterday because MAYBE we could have held on for a win had Farke made better use of the subs available. It's a forum, a discussion board, and on the  matchday thread you are going to react to things you see (or don't see) on the pitch at that time.

It has been a fantastic run and Farke and the players deserve much credit, but no-one is above criticism. How you learn and grow is the important thing.

[jaywick_canery 28]

32 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

I'm with CC on this one Jaywicko, its pretty pointless whinging about the injuries, much better for your head to  get behind the squad/ management. I know some take pride in their masters degrees in hindsight,  but its not useful......to anyone.

The injuries aren't a coincidence and this prob;lem has plagued the club throughout the Farke era. That is my point.

 

I made no criticism of the players or the manager himself.... just the mechanics in the workshop.

[jaywick_canery 28]

44 minutes ago, cambridgeshire canary said:

Says the man whos first thoughts on a thread about us going ten unbeaten is to bash the board.

 

The irony.

Even more childish.... and a bit creepy.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

1 minute ago, jaywick_canery said:

The injuries aren't a coincidence and this prob;lem has plagued the club throughout the Farke era. That is my point.

 

I made no criticism of the players or the manager himself.... just the mechanics in the workshop.

That is supposition, not fact,  but if you want to tilt at windmills, tilt away.

[jaywick_canery 28]

1 minute ago, wcorkcanary said:

That is supposition, not fact,  but if you want to tilt at windmills, tilt away.

I'll say what I think if that's ok with the 'regulars'.

[wcorkcanary 4,784]

Just now, jaywick_canery said:

I'll say what I think if that's ok with the 'regulars'.

Of course, but dont expect not to be challenged when you offer unsubstantiated theories. If you can point to a few cases where injuries are definitely down to the 'mechanics', then you may have a point, until then I'll  consider your opinion mere spekkilashun. There may be something in the 'overtaining theory', and if true , then I would expect it to cause a few hiccups in player availability. Our high intensity on the pitch isnt produced by luck. 

[jaywick_canery 28]

18 minutes ago, wcorkcanary said:

Of course, but dont expect not to be challenged when you offer unsubstantiated theories. If you can point to a few cases where injuries are definitely down to the 'mechanics', then you may have a point, until then I'll  consider your opinion mere spekkilashun. There may be something in the 'overtaining theory', and if true , then I would expect it to cause a few hiccups in player availability. Our high intensity on the pitch isnt produced by luck. 

Always happy to be challenged in life but I don't do 'submissive'.

[Feedthewolf 5,885]

We have to consider the possibility that the training load has contributed towards the high level of injuries. We were asking the same questions last year in a 'normal' season, and the added load caused by extreme fixture congestion is likely to have exacerbated any risks associated with our training intensity.

As with most things, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle ground; we clearly try to eke out 'marginal gains' by training that little bit harder than most teams, but we've also had a bad run of luck at the same time.

Once you have an injury crisis as severe as this one and the games just keep on coming, it increases the chances of further injuries for the remaining players as we're not able to shuffle the pack as often as we'd like. I would imagine that they're dialling back the training intensity a bit; I know the first team didn't train on Thursday, for example.

We'll have Emi back for Wednesday, Pukki for Saturday (possibly even Wednesday), and then by my estimation Hugill and Cantwell shouldn't be too far behind. The difficulty, of course, is avoiding new injuries and steadily increasing the pool of players available. To my mind, this means that Academy products may be integrated by choice now, rather than by necessity should we lose another three or four of our remaining fit senior pros.

The next two weeks will be absolutely pivotal to our season. Stay in (or within touching distance of) the top two and get a few players back, and I'd fancy us to win this league. Too many more injuries, and we might be struggling to keep tabs on the top six.

[kirku 1,358]

35 minutes ago, jaywick_canery said:

The injuries aren't a coincidence and this prob;lem has plagued the club throughout the Farke era. That is my point.

 

I made no criticism of the players or the manager himself.... just the mechanics in the workshop.

Any facts to support this?

We had issues last year because the injuries were largely confined to the CBs.

This year, it's just been torrid all over; from impact injuries during games to international duty.

Many of us questioned the lack of cover, notably at fullback, but that's something for Webber not Farke

[Newtopia 573]

I think the injuries are due to the intense schedule.  I suspect we will see Farke blooding more U23 players, so he knows who he can trust in a match situation, and we will also see the opposition squads depleted.  It is going to be a very different season to normal.  I thought a point yesterday was fair, although I wanted 3.  OTBC

[seanthecanary 168]

It's been a very good start to the season and not just in terms of points. The belief in the squad, the morale and team spirit have been repaired far quicker than I had expected. We ended last season woefully and to pick up again so quickly is a testament to the coaching team and the players themselves. 

 

[Jersey Canary 180]

We’re not the only club with injuries. Yes ours may be greater than most but we’re not the only ones.

[jaywick_canery 28]

49 minutes ago, kirku said:

Any facts to support this?

We had issues last year because the injuries were largely confined to the CBs.

This year, it's just been torrid all over; from impact injuries during games to international duty.

Many of us questioned the lack of cover, notably at fullback, but that's something for Webber not Farke

I don't believe in coincidences and to have so many injuries there has to be a cause.

 

As for 'facts'... do you have any 'facts' to disprove my opinion?

Edited November 29, 2020 by jaywick_canery

[Canary dwarf 221]

I think bearing in mind , the horrendous injury suitation a point is ok , it should be bad for the next 4 weeks .😁

[cambridgeshire canary 7,798]

5 minutes ago, Canary dwarf said:

I think bearing in mind , the horrendous injury suitation a point is ok , it should be bad for the next 4 weeks .😁

4 weeks? I mean, we should have Pukki back by Saturday and Emis back in three days 😉

 

But other than that yes it is pretty dire.

[Beefy is a legend 224]

26 minutes ago, jaywick_canery said:

I don't believe in coincidences and to have so many injuries there has to be a cause.

 

As for 'facts'... do you have any 'facts' to disprove my opinion?

That's not really how it works. You need to look at 'burden of proof'. The person who makes a claim has the responsibility to substantiate it. 

We know that a significant proportion of the current injuries were in-game injuries and international duty injuries. We also know that there is a heavily congested fixture list this season. 

We also don't know how training is precisely conducted at Colney. The one thing to say is that you can't have a superbly coached and peak fitness squad without training hard. You may have to accept that doing so increases the risk of injuries, but the benefit is the well drilled patterns of play and fitness that put us head and shoulders above most of this division. You can't have one without the other. 

 

 

[jaywick_canery 28]

It is an opinion and I am entitled to that just as you are entitled to disagree.

 

Isn't that what this place is about or is it a defense counsel?

[hertfordyellow 462]

I suppose I have two issues. 
1. I don’t get this importance of being unbeaten. If we draw the next 6 games we are still unbeaten but it only equals 6 points. 3 wins and 3 losses equals 9 points. If we draw the next few games it will be a very poor return on winnable games.

2. Being top in November means nothing if we have misread the impact COVID has had on the new season, over trained and decimated our squad. We have 8 games in December with a broken squad. I think we won’t be top 2 come January and I’m concerned that we might not recover the season.

[kirku 1,358]

7 hours ago, jaywick_canery said:

It is an opinion and I am entitled to that just as you are entitled to disagree.

 

Isn't that what this place is about or is it a defense counsel?

Opinions based on nothing. Great. We definitely need more of that at the moment..

[jaywick_canery 28]

Based on over a dozen first team players laid up and not on the pitch... or hadn't you noticed?

 

[hepphep 175]

We have tons of injuries for sure. But if you check lists for premier clubs, Arsenal has 9, Pool 8 etc. So it is not out of ordinary. The problem is that it tends to cumulate as each injury adds burden for those left.

I think Farke told just a week ago that for example Pukki has not had any intensive training (not even shooting practice) for last two months. Only recovery practice to keep himself in shape to next game. If that is case, it is hard to say how it could be still taken more easy.

Maybe the issue has also something to do with when we have high possession, we end up getting more knocks from than opponents? It would explain a bit that premier clubs that try to control ball also seem to have long injury lists.

[Hank shoots Skyler 2,094]

6 hours ago, hertfordyellow said:

1. I don’t get this importance of being unbeaten. If we draw the next 6 games we are still unbeaten but it only equals 6 points. 3 wins and 3 losses equals 9 points. If we draw the next few games it will be a very poor return on winnable games.

Has any team ever gone on an unbeaten run of solely draws? I'm not sure if that has ever happened (or extremely rarely if so)?

And I don't think people would be going on about an unbeaten run if we'd drawn our last 6, they'd be equal arguments about being winless in those games too. 

But as it is we've actually won 7 and drawn 3 of our last 10, that's title winning form and an 'unbeaten' run worth being proud of! 

We can call it a 'mostly winning but sometimes drawing' run if you like but that doesn't quite roll of the tongue...

[kirku 1,358]

10 hours ago, jaywick_canery said:

Based on over a dozen first team players laid up and not on the pitch... or hadn't you noticed?

 

You said that this issue has "plagued the club during the Farke era"

Please explain how the current injury situation is indicative of Farke's tenure and which elements of it are under the control of the coaching staff. Then your opinion would be based on something.