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Oh dear Jools - another Trump lawsuit rejected .... with prejudice (means it can't be refiled) - as the Judge says ; no evidence offered to support the claims, and only requesting relief for one race. Trump is certainly getting his money's worth with Mr Giulliani and Ms Powell.

 

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Just now, Iwans Big Toe said:

So Communism is s a right wing ideal?

What you rather naively think is communism is merely totalitarianism ie Fascism, which by any measure is rightwing

a country is judged by the economic and social conditions that prevail - not the names it happens to call itself

was the German Democratic Republic democratic ?

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2 minutes ago, Bill said:

What you rather naively think is communism is merely totalitarianism ie Fascism, which by any measure is rightwing

a country is judged by the economic and social conditions that prevail - not the names it happens to call itself

was the German Democratic Republic democratic ?

So Communists are right wing?

 

 

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Communism and Fascism in practice are very closely aligned. Theory may be different, but in practice absolute power corrupts absolutely causing democratic institutions to die with just a small number of people dictating and enforcing what everyone else has to do. Socialism, Liberalism, Capitalism nothing to do with either one of those two dictatorial systems, and that's what we have enjoyed in the US and Western Europe for many decades, and why several of us are very alarmed observing a drift into authoritarianism in US and UK which is the precursor to full dictatorship.

Making dictatorships sound nice by using the phase "Democratic" is, as Bill says, a device to impress the gullible. 

 

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3 hours ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

Election fraud is probably real. It's just the Democrats cheated better than the Republicans did during this election, unlike 4 years ago. We'll see who's better at cheating in another four years.

Every study has shown "election fraud" to be a minuscule problem. 

Over six Million more people voted for Biden than Trump in this election. 

If the Republican Party want to commit treason against the United Sates that's their problem, what's yours?

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18 minutes ago, Surfer said:

Every study has shown "election fraud" to be a minuscule problem. 

Over six Million more people voted for Biden than Trump in this election. 

If the Republican Party want to commit treason against the United Sates that's their problem, what's yours?

My 'problem' is I'm a cynic when politics are involved.

I think that 'democracy' is a fallacy. Those that cheat better during an election usually win, be it Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Labour, Fascist or Socialist

 

 

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Neither Russia or China have ever been communist - both set out as fascist states, driven by the need to upgrade two almost feudal countries into being able to compete with world markets. Much as what happened in Britain during the industrial revolution with the Enclosure Acts and the Highland clearances.

Two basically self subsistence agrarian economies had to be rapidly industrialised, and that could not be done by consent - hence the need for an authoritarian state, much as with **** Germany. In fact, you would have been hard put to distinguish between Stalin's Russia and Hitlers Germany.

Both, as with China; had the same far right form of government and state control, while using blatant propaganda to give the impression that their aim was to benefit te people.......while all the oppressing and terrorising them.

Some would do well to read up on both politics and history, rather than regurgitating nonsense from the Daily Mail

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3 minutes ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

My 'problem' is I'm a cynic.

I think that 'democracy' is a fallacy. Those that cheat better during an election usually win, be it Democrat, Republican, Conservative, Labour, Fascist or Socialist

stop spouting nonsense

there was no cheating

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1 minute ago, Bill said:

stop spouting nonsense

there was no cheating

To be fair Bill, all elections are built on lies and thus who can convince the electorate of their lies wins, a form of cheating! Brexit certainly underlines this! When was the last time we had a prime minister who has the people’s best interest first and followed through their promises? Probably Churchill the rest since do it for power or money.

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I have never read, nor will ever read the Daily Mail. I steer clear of the printed press as a whole.

I am also well versed in the 1917 revolution and rise to power of the **** party in the 1930's.

To say that Russia was not communist is a ludicrous statement, Lenin and Trotsky were vehement Marxists. However drawing the comparison that both the CPSU and NSDAP were totalitarian regimes, despite their far left or rights doctrines, is not so far fetched. 

Politics is a circle, you can only move so far right or so far left until you meet in the middle again.

 

 

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And if you think we are currently not living in a totalitarian society, why was my response to your post censored?

 

 

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2 hours ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

Politics is a circle, you can only move so far right or so far left until you meet in the middle again.

Precisely, Communist and Fascist regimes are holding hands one side of that circle directly opposite Socialist and Capitalist democracies. .

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1 hour ago, Surfer said:

Precisely, Communist and Fascist regimes are holding hands one side of that circle directly opposite Socialist and Capitalist democracies. .

nonsense

all societies are capitalist - the only variations are how they are managed, with most now evolving to what we would know as a liberal democracy

the o=worldwide productive forces have not reached anywhere near enough for there to be socialist/communist nor is there any suggestion that the class consciousness required is anywhere near either

societies can be defined by the economic relationships within, not names they find convenient to use

 

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3 hours ago, Iwans Big Toe said:

I have never read, nor will ever read the Daily Mail. I steer clear of the printed press as a whole.

I am also well versed in the 1917 revolution and rise to power of the **** party in the 1930's.

To say that Russia was not communist is a ludicrous statement, Lenin and Trotsky were vehement Marxists. However drawing the comparison that both the CPSU and NSDAP were totalitarian regimes, despite their far left or rights doctrines, is not so far fetched. 

Politics is a circle, you can only move so far right or so far left until you meet in the middle again

I think not, or you wouldn't equate Lenin or Trotsky's distortions of Marx as being vehement Marxists

No more than you would have Trump as a vehement Christian despite whatever he might claim. The proof there would be to judge  Trumps's actions against the teachings of Christ.

Neither China nor Russia were 'far left' - theirs was no more than state capitalism necessitated by the need to bring about their own industrial revolution ie progress their countries out of feudal production

And it was for nationalist aims, not some wish to improve the lot of the populace, as in fact in both cases it led to years of brutal repression and genocide of it's people

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7 hours ago, Jools said:

Sidney Powell ~

We have a lot of extremely solid cases… it’s terrifying… will file simultaneously… federal court lawsuits… roughly 7 million (votes removed from President Trump) … every means and measure of fraud … probably at least 10 million (Biden fraudulent votes)…

 

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So Poxy Powell claims she has solid evidence that 7 million votes were stolen from Trump and 10 million votes were fraudulently added to Biden's total. It thus becomes somewhat baffling that from 17 million "solid examples" of fraud they couldn't present any of those  to the District Court in Pennsylvania.

 

 

Judge throws out Trump bid to stop PA vote certification (msn.com)

Judge throws out Trump bid to stop PA vote certification

"A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign's futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots."

 

"US District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

'One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,' Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people. 

'That has not happened."

Come on Jools, it's about time you put your money where your fat mouth is and accept my £1000 bet. Either that or stop posting this embarrassing conspiritorial bollox that only demonstrates you're a gullible old fool without the brain to distinguish between fact and your priapic Trump fantasies.

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I think Jools using a Michael Jackson meme is entirely appropriate. Look at how his career ended....

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1 hour ago, Herman said:

I think Jools using a Michael Jackson meme is entirely appropriate. Look at how his career ended....

HaHa! I think he is mistaking "fake nose" for "fake news". He's so dumb!

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6 hours ago, Bill said:

I think not, or you wouldn't equate Lenin or Trotsky's distortions of Marx as being vehement Marxists

No more than you would have Trump as a vehement Christian despite whatever he might claim. The proof there would be to judge  Trumps's actions against the teachings of Christ.

Neither China nor Russia were 'far left' - theirs was no more than state capitalism necessitated by the need to bring about their own industrial revolution ie progress their countries out of feudal production

And it was for nationalist aims, not some wish to improve the lot of the populace, as in fact in both cases it led to years of brutal repression and genocide of it's people

Interesting discussion.

Are you not in danger here of saying that  "all nominally socialism/communist states are obviously leftist whilst it works, and when they fail it is obvious that they were nothing more than right wing states all along". 

 

 

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8 hours ago, horsefly said:

So Poxy Powell claims she has solid evidence that 7 million votes were stolen from Trump and 10 million votes were fraudulently added to Biden's total. It thus becomes somewhat baffling that from 17 million "solid examples" of fraud they couldn't present any of those  to the District Court in Pennsylvania.

 

 

Judge throws out Trump bid to stop PA vote certification (msn.com)

Judge throws out Trump bid to stop PA vote certification

"A federal judge issued a scathing order Saturday dismissing the Trump campaign's futile effort to block the certification of votes in Pennsylvania, shooting down claims of widespread irregularities with mail-in ballots."

 

"US District Court Judge Matthew Brann wrote in his order that Trump had asked the court to disenfranchise almost 7 million voters.

'One might expect that when seeking such a startling outcome, a plaintiff would come formidably armed with compelling legal arguments and factual proof of rampant corruption,' Brann wrote, so much that the court would have no option but to stop the certification even though it would impact so many people. 

'That has not happened."

Come on Jools, it's about time you put your money where your fat mouth is and accept my £1000 bet. Either that or stop posting this embarrassing conspiritorial bollox that only demonstrates you're a gullible old fool without the brain to distinguish between fact and your priapic Trump fantasies.

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Funny how the three biggest fraudsters we know, Trump, Farage and Jools claim it was someone elses fault.

The kristallnacht of democracy. China, EU and us. Its our fault. While they all make a good living off the state they purport to despise.

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I totally agree that there was widespread fraud in this election-how else can you explain the fact that 74 million Americans apparently voted for an abhorrent slimeball like Trump?

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Trump Lawyer Sidney Powell Accuses Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp and Bernie Sanders of Complicity in Bonkers Voting Machine Conspiracy

https://www.mediaite.com/election-2020/trump-lawyer-sidney-powell-accuses-georgia-gov-brian-kemp-and-bernie-sanders-of-complicity-in-bonkers-voting-machine-conspiracy/

One of the most absurd, outlandish allegations from the Trump legal team has been Sidney Powell’s claim of a massive election rigging involving Dominion voting machines, Venezuela, Huge Chavez, and more.

Madder that Mr Mad, the maddest man in the world.

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The Gateway Pundit is an American far-right news and opinion website. The website is known for publishing falsehoods, hoaxes, and conspiracy theories.

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Jools looks for the most far right publications he can find. If only the Hitler diaries weren't fake.

I think GCHQ will be monitoring his internet history.

You know they just make you disappear don't you Jools.

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