President Biden

[horsefly 4,287]

15 minutes ago, PurpleCanary said:

There is a frightening 'what if' here. It seems Milley is reasonably sane, hence the wise decision to take precautions against Trump destroying the planet. But what if someone else in that position had either been afraid to use (and arguably overstep) his authority that way or - worse - had been on the same imbecilic and barking-mad General Ripper-style wavelength as Trump?

Indeed! It's  truly horrific to think of such a scenario. Luckily Milley is extremely well read and educated (the very opposite of Trump), and showed the wit and dedication to duty to ensure he prevented the possibility of a Trump initiated nuclear holocaust. Instead Trump's sociopathic urges had to settle for inciting an attack on the fundamental principles and institutions of his own country's democratic system. Milley was absolutely right in his first-hand assessment that Trump would lash out in some very destructive way as a result of losing the election. He will rightly be revered for his actions by anyone with an ounce of sanity and humanity.

Edited September 20, 2021 by horsefly

[7HAR1980 102]

I find it extremely odd that a treasonous act towards a standing president and government is deemed all ok and good by proxy of a 'what if' just because orange man bad. Totally baffling.

[horsefly 4,287]

10 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said:

I find it extremely odd that a treasonous act towards a standing president and government is deemed all ok and good by proxy of a 'what if' just because orange man bad. Totally baffling.

I guess you're unaware that contact between military opponents is not that rare or necessarily treasonous. It has often been the case that opposing forces inform the "enemy" that activities they've been engaged in, or plan to engage in, are not the precursor of a pre-emptive strike. Milley's first duty is to protect the population of the USA from the threat of a catastrophic nuclear attack; his actions are totally explicable and justified in pursuit of that overriding responsibility. You should be far more concerned that he felt the need to contact the Chinese because he judged the president of the USA to be a deranged sociopath capable of provoking a nuclear war as a response to losing the election. Milley's judgement that Trump would indeed respond to his defeat in a deranged manner was subsequently vindicated by Trump's incitement and support for an insurrection against the country's democratic constitution and institutions on Jan 6th. As the Nuremberg trials made explicitly clear, military personnel are legally culpable to authorites that transcend the orders of those higher in the command chain. Not only is Milley's action not remotely "baffling", it was also entirely justified and not remotely treasonous. (There is a reason why our forces swear to serve Queen and Country and not the government of the day.)

[Surfer 1,547]

13 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said:

I find it extremely odd that a treasonous act towards a standing president and government is deemed all ok and good by proxy of a 'what if' just because orange man bad. Totally baffling.

You should read more about what happened for the context. Milley made contact with his Chinese counterpart (as is quite frequently done) with the express permission of the US Secretary of Defense. There is nothing treasonous here, just a lot of deliberately misleading accusations from Republican Senators, Congressmen and sections of the media trying to protect Donald Trump at all costs from any consequences for his attack on our democracy, One has to ask why? 

Edited September 21, 2021 by Surfer

[7HAR1980 102]

I understand. Treason ok when orange man bad. All about personal opinion and assumptions. Break it down, it really is that simple.

[Herman 9,717]

LOL. Trump supporter accusing others of treachery. Nice one.🤨

[PurpleCanary 5,554]

21 hours ago, Surfer said:

You should read more about what happened for the context. Milley made contact with his Chinese counterpart (as is quite frequently done) with the express permission of the US Secretary of Defense. There is nothing treasonous here, just a lot of deliberately misleading accusations from Republican Senators, Congressmen and sections of the media trying to protect Donald Trump at all costs from any consequences for his attack on our democracy, One has to ask why? 

A wise precaution given Trump's shaky grasp of military matters, as evidenced by his belief that one of the reasons the US Revolutionary Army beat the Redcoats was that ''it took over the airports''.

[horsefly 4,287]

9 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said:

I understand. Treason ok when orange man bad. All about personal opinion and assumptions. Break it down, it really is that simple.

Nope! Treason is a matter of law, look it up, it really is that simple. Come back again when the independent DOJ decide he has a case to answer. I think you'll have a long wait, especially as the courts are pretty tied up prosecuting the insurrectionists that Trump incited to overthrow the US  constitution.

[7HAR1980 102]

8 hours ago, Herman said:

LOL. Trump supporter accusing others of treachery. Nice one.🤨

Assumptions, yet again.

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

16 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said:

I understand. Treason ok when orange man bad. All about personal opinion and assumptions. Break it down, it really is that simple.

Indeed. Milley went around his team of subordinates and told them that he Milley, and not the President, was in charge of the nuclear bomb process. This is clearly against the Constitution of the United States and amounts to treason. 

[horsefly 4,287]

51 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

Indeed. Milley went around his team of subordinates and told them that he Milley, and not the President, was in charge of the nuclear bomb process. This is clearly against the Constitution of the United States and amounts to treason. 

Clearly you have no shame, coming back to make another inane comment despite having ballsed up colosally with your previous claim that Biden was the subject of Milley's concern. Have you now actually watched the video you posted and so laughably failed to understand? 

Looking forward to your comments on Trump's treasonous incitement of an insurrection on Jan 6th.

[Herman 9,717]

👍

 

[horsefly 4,287]

58 minutes ago, Herman said:

👍

 

Good old Joe kicked Trump's a*ss in the election, now he's found a nice way to kick him in the nuts over his tax evasion.

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

11 hours ago, horsefly said:

Clearly you have no shame, coming back to make another inane comment despite having ballsed up colosally with your previous claim that Biden was the subject of Milley's concern. Have you now actually watched the video you posted and so laughably failed to understand? 

Looking forward to your comments on Trump's treasonous incitement of an insurrection on Jan 6th.

I understand that the US has a written constitution. You ignore this fact at every turn. Under this constitution the President is in charge. Attempts by the military to seize presidential duties is known as a military coup. And this week a rogue general has been exposed as committing acts of treason by communicating with an enemy nation without presidential authorisation. You are defending the undemocratic in order to score a cheap political point. 

[horsefly 4,287]

5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

I understand that the US has a written constitution. You ignore this fact at every turn. Under this constitution the President is in charge. Attempts by the military to seize presidential duties is known as a military coup. And this week a rogue general has been exposed as committing acts of treason by communicating with an enemy nation without presidential authorisation. You are defending the undemocratic in order to score a cheap political point. 

I guess you haven't been following the news much lately, and remain unaware of the revelation of Trump's letter to Pence calling upon him to break the US electoral laws and the constitution (even Pence wouldn't tolerate going that far). Neither do you seem remotely aware that it was the speaker of the house (Nancy Pelosi) who contacted Milley to ensure that Trump, in the grip of his lunatic rage at losing the election, didn't spark off a nuclear war.

If you had even the slightest grasp of the US constitution and constitutional law you wouldn't be so foolish as to proclaim something as naive as that the president is unconditionally in charge. Indeed, there is no country in the world that is not a dictatorship that gives it's president/prime minister unconditional power. Indeed, and most fundamental of all, the very point of any country having a consitution is to establish the limits of power which it's leader can exercise. A very basic FACT that you ignore at every squirming turn in your desperation to extract yourself from your colossal balls-up.

Edited September 23, 2021 by horsefly

[Surfer 1,547]

There is something called a chain of command RTB - the President is in overall charge, but between him and the armed forces is the Secretary of Defense. It was he who asked General Milley to reassure the Chinese that everything was O.K. 

Of course Trump fired SoD Esper immediately after the election in November to put his lackeys in place as part of his coup plot... 

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

6 hours ago, Surfer said:

There is something called a chain of command RTB - the President is in overall charge, but between him and the armed forces is the Secretary of Defense. It was he who asked General Milley to reassure the Chinese that everything was O.K. 

Of course Trump fired SoD Esper immediately after the election in November to put his lackeys in place as part of his coup plot... 

The last bullet point tells you everything you need to know. Everything was done without the knowledge of the sitting president. Milley, showing what a clever political operator he is, even called Nancy Pelosi and CIA director Gina Haspel, to get support for his actions. The president was kept out of the loop, and deserved to be sacked for not informing his boss what was going on.

So Milley got all his ducks set up in a row with the backing of anti-Trump politicians and players and felt enboldened enough to call senior military officers together to ask them to take an oath saying that Milley himself had to be involved in a nuclear attack- even though the law says that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is not in the chain of command.

In conclusion, not only did Milley commit treason by planning to leak secret military information to the Chinese, he also broke the law by demanding from his fellow military officers that he be inserted into the chain of command. He failed to keep his boss informed of what was going on in secret discussions with the Chinese and in a democratic country at the very last he should be out of a job and more properly should be sitting in a jail cell.

Source of data: Peril, by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa

Edited September 23, 2021 by Rock The Boat

[horsefly 4,287]

44 minutes ago, Rock The Boat said:

The last bullet point tells you everything you need to know. Everything was done without the knowledge of the sitting president. Milley, showing what a clever political operator he is, even called Nancy Pelosi and CIA director Gina Haspel, to get support for his actions. The president was kept out of the loop, and deserved to be sacked for not informing his boss what was going on.

So Milley got all his ducks set up in a row with the backing of anti-Trump politicians and players and felt enboldened enough to call senior military officers together to ask them to take an oath saying that Milley himself had to be involved in a nuclear attack- even though the law says that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is not in the chain of command.

In conclusion, not only did Milley commit treason by planning to leak secret military information to the Chinese, he also broke the law by demanding from his fellow military officers that he be inserted into the chain of command. He failed to keep his boss informed of what was going on in secret discussions with the Chinese and in a democratic country at the very last he should be out of a job and more properly should be sitting in a jail cell.

Source of data: Peril, by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa

Oh dear! I suppose we ought to be grateful that you are no longer promoting the laughable error that it was Biden who was the target of Milley's concern. However, as is typical, you make a complete hash of plagiarising a New York times article about Woodward's and Costa's book "Peril". Milley did not commit treason, arguably he did the very opposite, indeed the article  includes the following paragraph:

Though the president is commander in chief, Congress also provides civilian control of the military and requires all two-star generals and above to commit to informing it of concerns they have about executive branch actions. So General Milley discussing the president’s soundness with the speaker of the House, while unseemly, could be understood as fulfilling his constitutional responsibilities.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/18/opinion/politics/general-milley-woodward.html

Interpretation of the principles laid out in a constitution are inevitably fraught in situations when the head of government acts in the rogue and irrational (indeed potentially illegal) fashion that a sociopath like Trump behaved. What is clear is that there isn't a chance in hell that Milley will be charged with treason as his behaviour is entirely justified by the requirements of his position explained in the paragraph just quoted.

Everything you have said to date on this issue demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of this particular case, and complete failure to understand the principles, rules, and functioning of the US constitution. 

[horsefly 4,287]

10 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

The last bullet point tells you everything you need to know. Everything was done without the knowledge of the sitting president. Milley, showing what a clever political operator he is, even called Nancy Pelosi and CIA director Gina Haspel, to get support for his actions. The president was kept out of the loop, and deserved to be sacked for not informing his boss what was going on.

So Milley got all his ducks set up in a row with the backing of anti-Trump politicians and players and felt enboldened enough to call senior military officers together to ask them to take an oath saying that Milley himself had to be involved in a nuclear attack- even though the law says that the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff is not in the chain of command.

In conclusion, not only did Milley commit treason by planning to leak secret military information to the Chinese, he also broke the law by demanding from his fellow military officers that he be inserted into the chain of command. He failed to keep his boss informed of what was going on in secret discussions with the Chinese and in a democratic country at the very last he should be out of a job and more properly should be sitting in a jail cell.

Source of data: Peril, by Bob Woodward and Robert Costa

Since you haven't read "Peril" by Woodward and Mortimer, and are seemingly incapable of understanding the issues it raises, perhaps this short interview with the authors might help you realise just how far you are from the truth of what they claim:

Just in case you couldn't manage to concemtrate for the entirety of these 6 minute vids, let me just repeat Woodward's views of Miley's actions:

"The One Courageous Person Was Gen. Milley"

Edited September 24, 2021 by horsefly

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

The President's tongue is missing

[horsefly 4,287]

5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

The President's tongue is missing

Well, at least you're on safer ground when you just stick to abuse of Biden rather than completely ballsing up your hilarious attempts to understand the politics. Best Biden keeps quiet and let government get on with governing, rather than follow the path of the motor-mouth orange sociopath and tell people about the amazing revolutionary assault on the airports in 1775, and advise people to drink bleach to kill off covid, covfefe!

 

[A Load of Squit 5,134]

5 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

The President's tongue is missing

From April 2020.

The White House did not hold a news briefing this past Saturday or Sunday, as it has done most weekends since the briefings started in mid-March. Trump’s last briefing, held on Friday, lasted just 22 minutes and ended without him taking any questions from the press.

Trump himself seemed to suggest the briefings might not continue.

Taking some questions and not giving rambling answers full of lies must be better that One Term Trump. 

[horsefly 4,287]

14 minutes ago, A Load of Squit said:

From April 2020.

The White House did not hold a news briefing this past Saturday or Sunday, as it has done most weekends since the briefings started in mid-March. Trump’s last briefing, held on Friday, lasted just 22 minutes and ended without him taking any questions from the press.

Trump himself seemed to suggest the briefings might not continue.

Taking some questions and not giving rambling answers full of lies must be better that One Term Trump. 

Indeed! Trump's dismissive responses and disgraceful attitude to reporters and their questions is well documented on the net. Here's just a couple of examples:

 

 

[7HAR1980 102]

8 hours ago, Rock The Boat said:

The President's tongue is missing

Makes a welcome change from his usual incoherent verbal diarrhoea. 

Edited September 25, 2021 by 7HAR1980

[Herman 9,717]

You know that unnecessary audit/recount that the far-right wingbats did on the election they falsely claimed was stolen?? Trump still lost.🤣

[Rock The Boat 1,325]

On 22/09/2021 at 21:20, horsefly said:

Clearly you have no shame, coming back to make another inane comment despite having ballsed up colosally with your previous claim that Biden was the subject of Milley's concern. Have you now actually watched the video you posted and so laughably failed to understand? 

Looking forward to your comments on Trump's treasonous incitement of an insurrection on Jan 6th.

How about you commenting on Gen. Mark Milley who said that the drone strike that killed seven Afghan children was "a righteous strike".  Interesting choice of words, invoking God when Biden murders children.

[7HAR1980 102]

15 hours ago, Herman said:

You know that unnecessary audit/recount that the far-right wingbats did on the election they falsely claimed was stolen?? Trump still lost.🤣

You have to be immensely dense to believe the audit was about a recount and not widespread fraud or voter discrepancies.

Key points from the audit are very interesting. 

[7HAR1980 102]

[Surfer 1,547]

2 hours ago, 7HAR1980 said:

You have to be immensely dense to believe the audit was about a recount and not widespread fraud or voter discrepancies.

Key points from the audit are very interesting. 

You have to be immensely naïve or cinincal to believe or comment that the “audit” was about anything other than undermining confidence in elections so the far right can complete their coup - maybe not now i.e. 2021, but in 2024. 

[7HAR1980 102]

2 hours ago, Surfer said:

You have to be immensely naïve or cinincal to believe or comment that the “audit” was about anything other than undermining confidence in elections so the far right can complete their coup - maybe not now i.e. 2021, but in 2024. 

If there's just cause to be unconfident in elections (as the audit has now shown), do you not think it best to rectify? Or are you peddling conspiracy theory that this has been orchestrated by the far right?

I'd like to hear how guaranteeing voter integrity amounts to a far right coup of the 2024 presidential election.